Can the author of an original article vote against "alternative articles"?
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I've written an "alternative article" (Really Understanding Association, Aggregation, and Composition[^]) that is criticising the original article, which is highly ranked. Now my alternative article got a "1" downvote with a heavy weight (so it's now rated as "2" and therefore no longer displayed) and without any comment explaining the downvote, so I'm assuming it may be a revenge vote by the author of the original article. Isn't it contradicting the idea of the "alternative article" feature if the author of the original article can vote against an "alternative article"? In this way he can prevent that the criticism of his article is perceived/read by the site's readers.
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I've written an "alternative article" (Really Understanding Association, Aggregation, and Composition[^]) that is criticising the original article, which is highly ranked. Now my alternative article got a "1" downvote with a heavy weight (so it's now rated as "2" and therefore no longer displayed) and without any comment explaining the downvote, so I'm assuming it may be a revenge vote by the author of the original article. Isn't it contradicting the idea of the "alternative article" feature if the author of the original article can vote against an "alternative article"? In this way he can prevent that the criticism of his article is perceived/read by the site's readers.
Can you please send me a link to the article?
cheers Chris Maunder
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Can you please send me a link to the article?
cheers Chris Maunder
I just added it: Really Understanding Association, Aggregation, and Composition
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I've written an "alternative article" (Really Understanding Association, Aggregation, and Composition[^]) that is criticising the original article, which is highly ranked. Now my alternative article got a "1" downvote with a heavy weight (so it's now rated as "2" and therefore no longer displayed) and without any comment explaining the downvote, so I'm assuming it may be a revenge vote by the author of the original article. Isn't it contradicting the idea of the "alternative article" feature if the author of the original article can vote against an "alternative article"? In this way he can prevent that the criticism of his article is perceived/read by the site's readers.
Gerd Wagner wrote:
Isn't it contradicting the idea of the "alternative article" feature if the author of the original article can vote against an "alternative article"?
Of course it isn't. There's an assumption in that idea that alternatives will always be better. This isn't the case, and we shouldn't be treating it as such. I will add that the author in question does not always react too well to critique.
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I've written an "alternative article" (Really Understanding Association, Aggregation, and Composition[^]) that is criticising the original article, which is highly ranked. Now my alternative article got a "1" downvote with a heavy weight (so it's now rated as "2" and therefore no longer displayed) and without any comment explaining the downvote, so I'm assuming it may be a revenge vote by the author of the original article. Isn't it contradicting the idea of the "alternative article" feature if the author of the original article can vote against an "alternative article"? In this way he can prevent that the criticism of his article is perceived/read by the site's readers.
Gerd Wagner wrote:
In this way he can prevent that the criticism of his article is perceived/read by the site's readers
He can't - he can merely express his opinion. Let the votes sort themselves out. You have one downvote. You have many more upvotes.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Gerd Wagner wrote:
In this way he can prevent that the criticism of his article is perceived/read by the site's readers
He can't - he can merely express his opinion. Let the votes sort themselves out. You have one downvote. You have many more upvotes.
cheers Chris Maunder
How come there aren't any comments to go with the 1 votes? That seems a bit odd.
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How come there aren't any comments to go with the 1 votes? That seems a bit odd.
That what I don't understand ! It seems a bug
Wonde Tadesse
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That what I don't understand ! It seems a bug
Wonde Tadesse
I just checked Chris's blog. Downvotes no longer require a justification.
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I've written an "alternative article" (Really Understanding Association, Aggregation, and Composition[^]) that is criticising the original article, which is highly ranked. Now my alternative article got a "1" downvote with a heavy weight (so it's now rated as "2" and therefore no longer displayed) and without any comment explaining the downvote, so I'm assuming it may be a revenge vote by the author of the original article. Isn't it contradicting the idea of the "alternative article" feature if the author of the original article can vote against an "alternative article"? In this way he can prevent that the criticism of his article is perceived/read by the site's readers.
Why should there be restrictions on who votes? Are you saying you can vote on theirs and they can't vote on yours (hypothetically)? Is this really an "alternative" article? It seems to misrepresent itself. You have just addressed 3 points you take issue with. Many articles have comments which are just as long and give the author of the original article the opportunity to respond.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Why should there be restrictions on who votes? Are you saying you can vote on theirs and they can't vote on yours (hypothetically)? Is this really an "alternative" article? It seems to misrepresent itself. You have just addressed 3 points you take issue with. Many articles have comments which are just as long and give the author of the original article the opportunity to respond.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
> Why should there be restrictions on who votes? Because biased, purely "political" votes are of no value (that's why someone linked to the victim or the defendant cannot be a member of the jury before court). > You have just addressed 3 points you take issue with The article tries to explain 3 OO concepts, and I point out one serious flaw in each of these three explanations and provide alternative explanations, which are in line with the UML. Why shouldn't providing alternative explanations make an "alternative article"?
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> Why should there be restrictions on who votes? Because biased, purely "political" votes are of no value (that's why someone linked to the victim or the defendant cannot be a member of the jury before court). > You have just addressed 3 points you take issue with The article tries to explain 3 OO concepts, and I point out one serious flaw in each of these three explanations and provide alternative explanations, which are in line with the UML. Why shouldn't providing alternative explanations make an "alternative article"?
All votes are biased. That is the nature and purpose of voting. What you are talking about is censorship. Depends on your definition of article. Your "article" is in my view at best a postscript or addendum. It is not an article in it's own right even though it calls itself the alternative article. It cannot be read on its own as an article.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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All votes are biased. That is the nature and purpose of voting. What you are talking about is censorship. Depends on your definition of article. Your "article" is in my view at best a postscript or addendum. It is not an article in it's own right even though it calls itself the alternative article. It cannot be read on its own as an article.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
> All votes are biased. That is the nature and purpose of voting. It's a pitty that you didn't get the point (of my comparison with jury votes). > What you are talking about is censorship. Come on, that's a weird allegation. You are confusing the meaning of the word "censorship", which refers to the "freedom of speech" (or article publication), but not to voting.
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I just checked Chris's blog. Downvotes no longer require a justification.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Downvotes no longer require a justification
Uh oh! :~
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Downvotes no longer require a justification
Uh oh! :~
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Yup. This is not going to end well.
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I've written an "alternative article" (Really Understanding Association, Aggregation, and Composition[^]) that is criticising the original article, which is highly ranked. Now my alternative article got a "1" downvote with a heavy weight (so it's now rated as "2" and therefore no longer displayed) and without any comment explaining the downvote, so I'm assuming it may be a revenge vote by the author of the original article. Isn't it contradicting the idea of the "alternative article" feature if the author of the original article can vote against an "alternative article"? In this way he can prevent that the criticism of his article is perceived/read by the site's readers.
Hi Gerd, I think you have fallen into the "trap" of "playing against another golfer" rather than playing the golf-course to try to achieve your "personal best." Naked fact: there are lots of high-voted articles on CP that are absolute crap: I have not read the article by the "other" author, so I am not making any comment on their work by saying this. The why/how of these high-voted but low technical-quality articles is something I choose not to be interested in: I prefer to focus on making my contribution to CP (a very minor one, I assure you) meet my own quality standards. I have reported several articles here in the past years that I've read that I thought were somewhere between inappropriate (should have been at best a Tip/Trick) and hopelessly incomprehensible ... and that was when you had to "sign" the report. I've also left a lot of feedback for article authors, particularly when I saw the article was their first: in the case that I thought the article had potential to be a good article. While there's nothing wrong with your seeing an article here, and thinking it's inaccurate technically, and deciding you can explain it better, I think publishing an article that is primarily a rebuttal of what you think is inaccurate in the other article is not serving the "greater good" of CP: we get to see only the "low-hanging fruit" of your own thoughts/vision/understanding of UML rendered in the context of .NET. And, it may not serve you in the sense that people may react more to your criticism of the other article than to your own thoughts/vision/understanding. I wonder if the lack of comments on your article at this time means anything ? ... I'm not sure it does. So, what if you focused on writing an article (or a series of articles) aimed at people who have probably not understood UML modeling very well (I'm sure I am in that group). Educate us, starting with the fundamentals, including what is the basic value proposition ... what you get ... from learning UML, and using it. By the way, there is often the expectation here that articles will provide some source code; I don't particularly care if an article does not have code, but some people may care. cheers, Bill
«I'm asked why doesn't C# implement feature X all the time. The answer's always the same: because no one ever designed, specified, implemented, tested, documented, shipped that feature. All six of those things are necess
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Hi Gerd, I think you have fallen into the "trap" of "playing against another golfer" rather than playing the golf-course to try to achieve your "personal best." Naked fact: there are lots of high-voted articles on CP that are absolute crap: I have not read the article by the "other" author, so I am not making any comment on their work by saying this. The why/how of these high-voted but low technical-quality articles is something I choose not to be interested in: I prefer to focus on making my contribution to CP (a very minor one, I assure you) meet my own quality standards. I have reported several articles here in the past years that I've read that I thought were somewhere between inappropriate (should have been at best a Tip/Trick) and hopelessly incomprehensible ... and that was when you had to "sign" the report. I've also left a lot of feedback for article authors, particularly when I saw the article was their first: in the case that I thought the article had potential to be a good article. While there's nothing wrong with your seeing an article here, and thinking it's inaccurate technically, and deciding you can explain it better, I think publishing an article that is primarily a rebuttal of what you think is inaccurate in the other article is not serving the "greater good" of CP: we get to see only the "low-hanging fruit" of your own thoughts/vision/understanding of UML rendered in the context of .NET. And, it may not serve you in the sense that people may react more to your criticism of the other article than to your own thoughts/vision/understanding. I wonder if the lack of comments on your article at this time means anything ? ... I'm not sure it does. So, what if you focused on writing an article (or a series of articles) aimed at people who have probably not understood UML modeling very well (I'm sure I am in that group). Educate us, starting with the fundamentals, including what is the basic value proposition ... what you get ... from learning UML, and using it. By the way, there is often the expectation here that articles will provide some source code; I don't particularly care if an article does not have code, but some people may care. cheers, Bill
«I'm asked why doesn't C# implement feature X all the time. The answer's always the same: because no one ever designed, specified, implemented, tested, documented, shipped that feature. All six of those things are necess
Thanks for your suggestion. Indeed, it would be a good thing to write an article about UML, explaining what you get from learning UML, and using it. In fact, I already try to show how using UML class diagrams helps to write the model code in an MVC software application in many of my CP articles, such as in JavaScript Front-End Web App Tutorial Part 2: Adding Constraint Validation and JavaScript Front-End Web App Tutorial Part 3: Managing Unidirectional Associations, and in others to appear.