Are we running out of Ipv4 address or is it Y2K all over again
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Fair enough, if you based that statement on a specific requirement at that time. Exception handled :)
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I was working for BT at the time in Matelsham research labs as a contractor and got to play with 2mb internet before anyone else i knew. MS-Access, bit of Excell, SQL-Server 6.5 and i think it was VB4, maybe VB5 was my field at the time so maybe i needed to be more into AS400's or something like COLBOLT to have got any offers. Also used NT4 server, didn't like XP98, too soft for me at the time
Try dedicated DCS. These were all proprietary systems. Not fun. Lucrative, but not fun.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
No need to count to know we have more ants in the world than people.
Ehr.. it is not about ants. If you claim that more money is made on the introduction of the Euro (for some merely a change in Windows-settings) than the Y2k bug cost, then I expect something to back that claim.
Dr Gadgit wrote:
I did not say your work was a hoax
No, it was just implied.
Dr Gadgit wrote:
guess someone must had harcoded "19" into to programs somewhere in the world but it's not like the number moved from being a INT to a Long or anything.
Keep guessing, if you do it long enough you'll be right sometime.
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I gave you the logic for my statement and I didn't have to switch anything on windows come 1/1/2001 or posted any of the millions of pages on the internet to say that Y2K was a scam. Now I am not alone in my thoughts in Y2K but admit i am on my own about saying we are not running out of ipv4 addresses so why not take a crack at that one to keep things a bit more on topic !
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I gave you the logic for my statement and I didn't have to switch anything on windows come 1/1/2001 or posted any of the millions of pages on the internet to say that Y2K was a scam. Now I am not alone in my thoughts in Y2K but admit i am on my own about saying we are not running out of ipv4 addresses so why not take a crack at that one to keep things a bit more on topic !
Dr Gadgit wrote:
I gave you the logic for my statement
Yes, by stating you need not count ants.
Dr Gadgit wrote:
I didn't have to switch anything on windows come 1/1/2001 or posted any of the millions of pages on the internet to say that Y2K was a scam.
Correct, it is a statement without argumentation. Might be because there is no Y2k1 bug.
Dr Gadgit wrote:
why not take a crack at that one to keep things a bit more on topic !
Because you made the connection in your first post. I also already gave my argumentation on that one.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
I gave you the logic for my statement
Yes, by stating you need not count ants.
Dr Gadgit wrote:
I didn't have to switch anything on windows come 1/1/2001 or posted any of the millions of pages on the internet to say that Y2K was a scam.
Correct, it is a statement without argumentation. Might be because there is no Y2k1 bug.
Dr Gadgit wrote:
why not take a crack at that one to keep things a bit more on topic !
Because you made the connection in your first post. I also already gave my argumentation on that one.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
VB4 I think we were using at the time had no trouble with "2000" dates and SQL-Server 6.5 (god it had some bugs back then) worked fine too with the switch
Thing is - these were fairly modern (at the time). Y2K was about systems that had been around since the 60s/70s (even some from the 80s). When they were written, it was never envisaged that they would survive as long, and that's where Y2K came from.
Yes i think you are right with that reply and i was not working in banking at the time so maybe this is why i see things difrent to some people here. The closes i got to Colbolt was a weekend when someone working for me tipped a cup of coffey over a keyboard that was conected to a huge machine that cost millions back in the early 80's and i bricked myself because you could not pop down the road to pick one of these things up like today. Well we cleaned the keyboard in the bath, dried it slow in the oven as you do, chucked it back in and that was that :) The office did not need any heating, the computer did that for them.
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Possibly the industries I was working in at the time - I was heavily in industrial systems then. Perhaps you just weren't in the right field - and I'm based in the UK as well.
I have been known to work on Simens PLC Controls but they didn't have dates and just used ladders. Looks like the other poster nailed it with banking and old colbolt systems and i was not working in banking at the time using anything like that. What systems were you working on ?
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I have been known to work on Simens PLC Controls but they didn't have dates and just used ladders. Looks like the other poster nailed it with banking and old colbolt systems and i was not working in banking at the time using anything like that. What systems were you working on ?
Plant reading systems - oil fields.
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I also spent a lot of time fixing Y2K issues. A lot of developers I have worked with in the 90s also worked on Y2K. The reason that people regard Y2K as a big hoax is because companies spent a fortune correcting problems. It's as though people feel cheated because power plants didn't explode.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's as though people feel cheated because power plants didn't explode.
Well, yes. We were promised the apocalypse. Food, water, fuel and illegal weapons were hoarded, because it was necessary to survive. Nothing significant happened.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's as though people feel cheated because power plants didn't explode.
Well, yes. We were promised the apocalypse. Food, water, fuel and illegal weapons were hoarded, because it was necessary to survive. Nothing significant happened.
Well sorry.
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I gave you the logic for my statement and I didn't have to switch anything on windows come 1/1/2001 or posted any of the millions of pages on the internet to say that Y2K was a scam. Now I am not alone in my thoughts in Y2K but admit i am on my own about saying we are not running out of ipv4 addresses so why not take a crack at that one to keep things a bit more on topic !
Dr Gadgit wrote:
millions of pages on the internet to say that Y2K was a scam.
Just shows how many people have no understanding of what the issue was. Indeed how could it be a scam, since no one made any illegal money from it. And even now we see examples of programmers writing code that is not Y2K compliant: largely because they do not understand some of the basic issues.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
It's as though people feel cheated because power plants didn't explode.
Well, yes. We were promised the apocalypse. Food, water, fuel and illegal weapons were hoarded, because it was necessary to survive. Nothing significant happened.
harold aptroot wrote:
Nothing significant happened.
It would indeed have been more fun if they had not given a warning a year in advance. Now, since when does mass-media describe a technical issue in a non-hyping and technically correct (read 'boring') way? No new Y2k bug for some time - it'll be all about cyberwars, cyberterrorists and cybercrime now.
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harold aptroot wrote:
Nothing significant happened.
It would indeed have been more fun if they had not given a warning a year in advance. Now, since when does mass-media describe a technical issue in a non-hyping and technically correct (read 'boring') way? No new Y2k bug for some time - it'll be all about cyberwars, cyberterrorists and cybercrime now.
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This guy should know as attested by this tweet from the inventor of the World Wide Web himself, Tim Berners-Lee - the number of websites in the world has subsequently declined, reverting back to a level below 1 billion. http://www.internetlivestats.com/total-number-of-websites But I would at a guess say that only about 2 billion of the earths population has internet access so that's far too many sites by my way of thinking. "Around 40% of the world population has an internet connection today 2015" http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users Yes if you include internet cafe's that are popular in places like India and China I also happen to know that the USA has reserved over one billion Ipv4 addresses after spending months scanning Whois records so that's about three addresses for every man, woman and child in the US. If we was in danger of running out of Ipv4's then would IANA not release some of the 250 millions addresses we have above 233.0.0.0 (M-Cast/Broadcasts) and some that are reserved at the low end. We only have about 1.7 billion homes in the world and everyone sits behind a NAT router so how can we be running out already or is it corporations are sitting on piles of Ipv4's to create a problem because the DoD has about 500 IPs reserved for every member of the military and one ISP alone in the UK has 14 million reserved addresses and that's about the same as the number of total houses in the UK I am fully aware that the powers that be would like an IP-Address for every milk bottle ever to be produced in the world so that the fridge can report the milk bottle as it becomes empty but just now we are far, far away from using up our 4.3 billion Ipv4 addresses and are being panicked by a scam. Few ISPs have made the switch and that's two years after we were due to run out of IPv4 addresses and how would a 12 byte address system work when we still use 6 byte MAC addresses in network cards. WorldPress apparantly has 60 million web sites alone http://www.forbes.com/sites/jjcolao/2012/09/05/the-internets-mother-tongue/ I have a bit of trouble with these numbers because I sent Google 1000 random searches (very, very slow using many connections) and logged the results to a database of the first ten pages returned and each page contained about 100 links so in total 10 million links were recorded and I only managed to extract about 700,000 unique domain names. Maybe if I really pushed the boat out I could have got to three million because most of the tim
What's strange here is we are debating Y2K and a quick Google would show that both sides have big ships in the debate and maybe it was a bad example for me to use Y2K, sorry, but as far as I know no big ships are sailing that question the need for Ipv6 apart from my little boat. I am about to publish an XML file containing Whois records in an XML table that lists Whois records complete with country codes and ASN's that covers the range 0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255 (Yes i know some are reserved) and this took me about three months to collate because no one wants to give this data away for free even if they let people do a few free searches. Whois records are for network ranges, ASN's group ranges to a parent, not all whois records will have an ASN but if they do then they should only ever belong to one ASN. Whois uses main registrars such as Ripe, Apnic, Lacnis, Afrinic with much of the data being subdivide again and it is not possible to take a snapshot of the world due to the amount of data involved, distributions and the limitations place on retrieving this data. As a result it's all becomes a bit of a mess and depending on where you get your data from you will see that they cannot even agree on country codes to use so it's not uncommon to see "EU" as a country and some servers mix up these codes because they return the country code of the parent record using ASNs codes and not the code for the child. Often NetName are mixed up with company names, some net ranges belong to more than one ASN, well let's just say it all gets a bit mixed up in the post but 95% seem right without question. I cannot say that the data is perfect but its as close as can be and if you import the data then you will all see that some large corporations are hoarding lots of Ipv4 addresses, far more than they ever need at this point in time and it is this that leads to the current state of affairs of running out. I will not argue that we will be needing more addresses at some stage but I do object to this hoarding and the panic the corporate owned media is trying to create and I would like to think they will run out of addresses before we run out of ants in the world to implant with RFID's.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
millions of pages on the internet to say that Y2K was a scam.
Just shows how many people have no understanding of what the issue was. Indeed how could it be a scam, since no one made any illegal money from it. And even now we see examples of programmers writing code that is not Y2K compliant: largely because they do not understand some of the basic issues.
Selling nuclear bunkers is not a scan, not illegal and many of the people posting about Y2K being a scam are professionals so would you like to provide this "understanding" about 2000 please because computers tend to count in chunks of eight bits and 2000 is not like year 1024 or 2048. Having started life using a computer with only 48k I understand the need to save space when cooking code and i get that someone may have wrote code like if (Year NOT StartWith '19') chuck an error 'Bad Date'; But the amount of code still in use that used a number system broken by tripping over 100, given 8 bits was low to say the least. Wiki says "Storage of a combined date and time within a fixed binary field is often considered a solution, but the possibility for software to misinterpret dates remains because such date and time representations must be relative to some known origin. Rollover of such systems is still a problem but can happen at varying dates and can fail in various ways" So we are not out of danger yet i see so should i buy the bomb shelter or should i reverse engineer this to combine a date/time value to fit 32 bits, allow for leap years to predict the next date ? Credit default swaps and never ending printing is the danger to the banking systems of the world as is hacking when microsoft advises anyone with Skype to just open up all the outbound ports in the firewall but i am yet to read anything to think that Y2K was not a little over done.
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Selling nuclear bunkers is not a scan, not illegal and many of the people posting about Y2K being a scam are professionals so would you like to provide this "understanding" about 2000 please because computers tend to count in chunks of eight bits and 2000 is not like year 1024 or 2048. Having started life using a computer with only 48k I understand the need to save space when cooking code and i get that someone may have wrote code like if (Year NOT StartWith '19') chuck an error 'Bad Date'; But the amount of code still in use that used a number system broken by tripping over 100, given 8 bits was low to say the least. Wiki says "Storage of a combined date and time within a fixed binary field is often considered a solution, but the possibility for software to misinterpret dates remains because such date and time representations must be relative to some known origin. Rollover of such systems is still a problem but can happen at varying dates and can fail in various ways" So we are not out of danger yet i see so should i buy the bomb shelter or should i reverse engineer this to combine a date/time value to fit 32 bits, allow for leap years to predict the next date ? Credit default swaps and never ending printing is the danger to the banking systems of the world as is hacking when microsoft advises anyone with Skype to just open up all the outbound ports in the firewall but i am yet to read anything to think that Y2K was not a little over done.
I started on mainframe computers that had only 16K; however that has no relevance to this discussion. The fact remains that there were systems (I worked on some of them) that would, and some still did, have serious problems when the century rolled over. I am actually still not clear why you think it was a scam, it was just something that happened.