Will US ever learn?

Bedri Egrilmez

SCENE 1 (1) In order to help it bring down the evil regime of the USSR, US pours weapons/money to the Afghan mujaheddin (which means "the holy warrior"). Suddenly, the mujaheddin become the best friend of the US. (2) After the USSR is toppled, the mujaheddin fall into disarray, they morph into the Taliban, which becomes the breeding ground for Al-Queda. SCENE 2 (1) In order to help it bring down the evil regime of Iraq, US pours weapons/money to the Kurdish peshmerga (which means "the one who looks death in the face"). Suddenly, the peshmerga become the best friend of the US. (2) After Iraqi regime is toppled, the peshmerga fall into disarray, they morph into the (you name it), which becomes the breeding ground for (you name it).

Brit

The Kurdish peshmerga are likely to become a breeding ground for (something evil)? While I don't really agree with backing anyone too zealous for any ideology, I haven't seen that in the Kurdish peshmerga (maybe I'm looking in the wrong place). Your comparison seems to imply a pattern, but I wonder how valid it is. Afterall, we probably supported lots of anti-Nazi groups in World War II, but that doesn't mean it has come back to bite anyone. (Unless, of course, you want to point fingers at France. But, I don't really think that's a valid comparison.) ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

Doug Goulden

We helped Stalin against Hitler was that wrong to? :wtf: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

brianwelsch

So we buy an Ally, and its our fault they turn into a group of deranged, fanatical freaks?? They couldn't by chance be responsible for their own path just a little could they? And your assuming the Kurds will be likewise irrational clowns, based on...?? BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

Christian Graus

Good analogy, except that it's wrong. No Russian and US troops ever fought side by side, and I seem to recall the US never gave Stalin any material aid either, because of misgivings about him. My recollection is that the allies were simply folks fighting the same guy seperately on two seperate fronts. Besides, Stalin had the ultimate weapon - snow. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Doug Goulden

Christian Graus wrote: No Russian and US troops ever fought side by side, and I seem to recall the US never gave Stalin any material aid either, because of misgivings about him. My recollection True, but the US merely supplied weapons in Afghanistan, other than the training we provided we didn't do the fighting. Christian Graus wrote: I seem to recall the US never gave Stalin any material aid either I may be wrong but I thought that we did, and we also let them take half of Germany after the war, its not exactly the same thing but its pretty similar. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Christian Graus

Doug Goulden wrote: we also let them take half of Germany LOL - I don't think you had much of a choice. The US population had far too much pro Stalin propoganda during WW II to stomach a war with him at that time. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Doug Goulden

I agree, my point being though that we have supported veryy repressive regimes before when it has served out purposes, somtimes with results that were to the advantage of everyone, ie fighting Hitler with Stalin as an Ally.;) Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

David Wulff

Christian Graus wrote: Stalin had the ultimate weapon - snow. Was it yellow? :~

David Wulff

"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]

David Wulff

What's that really crap rounders baseball movie called? "If you build it they will come". :~

David Wulff

"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]

Chris Losinger

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Lost User

US people also forget something. US did not join WWII until Pearl Harbour. Ofcourse, if they stuck to just defending the American continent, Hitler and Japan would have become too powerful. It is obvious that the Americans had selfish reasons to fight in Europe - avoid a war in mainland America. If they waited too long, there would have been no place in Europe to stage their attacks from. If you look at the WWII time line, United States proclaims neutrality in 1939 and held on to that position until 1941, when Churchill convinced FDR into the Atlantic Charter and the oil embargo and freezing of Axis assets in the US, which further led to Peral Harbour and to US entering the war. A French diplomat made a statement just before the Iraq war. "You waited two years before joining the war when Hitler was invading Europe. You can't accept us wanting to wait 4 more weeks to attack Saddam". Imagine, if Germany and Japan held back their attacks against Russia and United States, and took on one country at a time, Britain, and then Russia and then United States, he had a really good chance. The world is lucky that the madmen usually have over-confidence to take on everyone else at the same time. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Lost User

History. Turkey is a NATO member, which wants to repress Kurds. After the war, US will find it convenient to support Turkey over Kurds. Kurds will become dis-illusioned similar to the Mujahideen ... and you can expect the same kind of feeling of being used among them. Whether they will form another Al-Qaeda is left to debate. But, I foresee one, if Turkey is not reined in, and this issue is not addressed NOW. Ofcouse, we have to wait and see what happens. But, if the Kurds are left to the mercy of Turks, then US will have another serious problem in the coming years. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Christian Graus

You have to also consider that knowing how many lives were lost because the US held back in WWII is one reason they are so quick to try and run the entire world nowadays. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Lost User

Yeah. I don't know how much it is helping though. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Lost User

Would Soviet Russia have fallen faster, if all the NATO alliance countries opened all borders and encouraged free flow of people into the West OR would it still have taken 50 years? My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Lost User

No, Red (communist snow):-D My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Lost User

That is my biggest worry. The good sign is that it looks as if Turkey has been presuaded to stay out of northern Iraq (at least, no more than are there already). Maybe Iraq should be split up, I don't know enough to say. :( The tigress is here :-D

Lost User

Trollslayer wrote: Maybe Iraq should be split up, I don't know enough to say Noooooooooooooo. We already have India/Pakistan, Israel/Palestine - partitions that never did what they were supposed to. Let them decide what to do. Don't make decisions for them. It will come back and bite you in the ass. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

Lost User

1. The India/Pakistan partition wasn't the perfect solution by any means, but a lot better than doing nothing. 2. Israel/Palestine wasn't a partition, it was an occupation. 3. I'm not saying partitioning should be imposed, it should be agreed. The tigress is here :-D