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  • B brianwelsch

    I agree. It's tragic that any innocent lives are lost, however, I actually see it as a positive sign of our world as it is today, that people get outraged at individual incidents with relatively low body counts. It's difficult to talk about it this way without sounding callous, but your point is taken. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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    Jason Henderson
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    brianwelsch wrote: I actually see it as a positive sign of our world as it is today, that people get outraged at individual incidents with relatively low body counts. Are they really outraged? From my vantage point it looks more like anti-americanism. I'm sure some are really concerned, but the Arab world isn't, IMO.

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      brianwelsch wrote: I actually see it as a positive sign of our world as it is today, that people get outraged at individual incidents with relatively low body counts. Are they really outraged? From my vantage point it looks more like anti-americanism. I'm sure some are really concerned, but the Arab world isn't, IMO.

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      Bilal Naveed
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      Jason Henderson wrote: I'm sure some are really concerned, but the Arab world isn't, IMO. Well it's the same here. Some govts support, others stay silent, one or two oppose. People on the other hand overwhelmingly against. The only difference is you won't see mass protest because there's never been a mass protest before! People just don't go out and protest. You only have to see Al-jazeera to know the depth of feeling here.

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      • C Chris Austin

        "Big Bada BOOM" Can you rember the movie? Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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        Bilal Naveed
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        Fifth element... Mila Jovovich or someone of similar name.

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        • L Lost User

          WWII was fought over 5 years. The battle for Baghdad promises to be remniscent of a few days of that period in casualties, or worse. In regards to Geneva convention: What do you guys think of using depleted Uranium? I was reading that German troops in Kosova (during the war) was instructed not to go to any site where depleted unanium was used. Russia, at that point, claimed that since DU leaves the battle field as a contaminated area, it violates Geneva convention. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

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          Bilal Naveed
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          Well the whole point abt Geneva convention was side-tracked... so allow me to restart. What about deliberate bombing of civilian installations? Like Iraqi television?

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          • N Nitron

            Considering the number of lives lost in wars from Ancient Rome through the US Civil War, WWI and WWII, it's hard to believe people are in such outrage over double or triple-digit casualties.... Don't think I don't care, however as tragic as it is, it pales in comparison to wars and autrocities of ages past. Comments? - Nitron

            "Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

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            Maybe we are more humane and aware of the value of each life in this day and age. Also this war is different to most. It's justification is based on one single man in one single country. Also while it seems the assumption was wrong it was assumed that this is a David vs. Goliath situation with a slingless David. In those situations one assumes that Goliath can spare some of it's power to limit the civilian casuality rate while still defeating David. I assume when two enemies are evenly matched the fighting is much fiercer and the "colateral damage" more wide spread.

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            • N Nitron

              Considering the number of lives lost in wars from Ancient Rome through the US Civil War, WWI and WWII, it's hard to believe people are in such outrage over double or triple-digit casualties.... Don't think I don't care, however as tragic as it is, it pales in comparison to wars and autrocities of ages past. Comments? - Nitron

              "Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

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              Nitron wrote: Comments? Too many to write. :|

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              • C Chris Austin

                I have to say Bullshit! There is no scientific evidence that depleted uranium is hazardous to the enviroment....at least not radioactively. There may be some long term effects because it is such a heavy metal like lead poisoning, but it is not a unstable material. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                You're right, the biggest hazard comes from it being toxic, and using DU leaves lots of Uranium dust which is the preferred form to serve it for slow and painful killing purposes. [edit] When working with the material, you probably have learned that: a) particle physicists might seem a bit "careless" b) radiation protection, for lack of data, assumes that radiation doeses are cumulative Also be noted: A population seems to be able to adopt to certain levels of radiation - there seem to be genomes to control the mutation rate in a certain range. I rememebr a report about some tribe in africa, living above a natural U238 reservoir, having no higher rate of mutation than others.[/edit]

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                • B Bilal Naveed

                  Well the whole point abt Geneva convention was side-tracked... so allow me to restart. What about deliberate bombing of civilian installations? Like Iraqi television?

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                  How is that a civilian installation when its government controlled?

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                  • P peterchen

                    You're right, the biggest hazard comes from it being toxic, and using DU leaves lots of Uranium dust which is the preferred form to serve it for slow and painful killing purposes. [edit] When working with the material, you probably have learned that: a) particle physicists might seem a bit "careless" b) radiation protection, for lack of data, assumes that radiation doeses are cumulative Also be noted: A population seems to be able to adopt to certain levels of radiation - there seem to be genomes to control the mutation rate in a certain range. I rememebr a report about some tribe in africa, living above a natural U238 reservoir, having no higher rate of mutation than others.[/edit]

                    Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
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                    peterchen wrote: a) particle physicists might seem a bit "careless" I'd say they are a bunch of crazy bastards. Esp. the "Low Energy" guys. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                      Considering the number of lives lost in wars from Ancient Rome through the US Civil War, WWI and WWII, it's hard to believe people are in such outrage over double or triple-digit casualties.... Don't think I don't care, however as tragic as it is, it pales in comparison to wars and autrocities of ages past. Comments? - Nitron

                      "Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

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                      Bedri Egrilmez
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                      So you also believe people are overexaggerating the 9/11 thing, right? After all a mere 3000 people perished, not even worth mentioning. Only 0.00005 of the casualties of the World World II. It certainly cannot be an excuse to invade two countries (so far). Or perhaps there are some informal ratios I am unaware of, say: 1 US casualty = 3 UK casualties = 1000 Iraqi casualties

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                        peterchen wrote: a) particle physicists might seem a bit "careless" I'd say they are a bunch of crazy bastards. Esp. the "Low Energy" guys. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                        Chris Austin wrote: I'd say they are a bunch of crazy bastards OK, that matches better ;) I just wanted to be careful...

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                          Chris Austin wrote: I'd say they are a bunch of crazy bastards OK, that matches better ;) I just wanted to be careful...

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                          peterchen wrote: I just wanted to be careful... :) No offense taken, I was primarily a solid-state and computational physics type. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                          • B Bedri Egrilmez

                            So you also believe people are overexaggerating the 9/11 thing, right? After all a mere 3000 people perished, not even worth mentioning. Only 0.00005 of the casualties of the World World II. It certainly cannot be an excuse to invade two countries (so far). Or perhaps there are some informal ratios I am unaware of, say: 1 US casualty = 3 UK casualties = 1000 Iraqi casualties

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                            It's incredible how people can take a comment and twist it every which way until it makes the person look like a fool. Kinda' like me posting something with the headline: CPian, Bedri Egrilmez, claims new formula for the justification of September 11 attacks! 1 US casualty = 3 UK casualties = 1000 Iraqi casualties ! :wtf: Imagine the replies from that. ;P - Nitron

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