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Scrum is not enough: How to sell the benefits of scrum + Extreme Programming

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    Kent Sharkey
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    TechBeacon[^]:

    Dr. Jeff Sutherland, a co-creator of scrum, said that few scrum implementations reach a true hyper-productive state (500 percent to 1,000 percent normal team performance), and those that do reach it have implemented variations of Extreme Programming.

    Are you EXTREME enough?

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      TechBeacon[^]:

      Dr. Jeff Sutherland, a co-creator of scrum, said that few scrum implementations reach a true hyper-productive state (500 percent to 1,000 percent normal team performance), and those that do reach it have implemented variations of Extreme Programming.

      Are you EXTREME enough?

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      R Giskard Reventlov
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      :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

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        TechBeacon[^]:

        Dr. Jeff Sutherland, a co-creator of scrum, said that few scrum implementations reach a true hyper-productive state (500 percent to 1,000 percent normal team performance), and those that do reach it have implemented variations of Extreme Programming.

        Are you EXTREME enough?

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        "Plus we already know that quality, which is intangible and invisible, doesn't sell." Of course, which is why we produce crap. "Ron suggests that you need something to allow people to feel the pain, and he has just the exercise for it: the Scrum Gauntlet of Debt." Oh, Yes ! Programmers need to feel more pain. I think I'll stay with the cult I'm in now :)

        «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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          TechBeacon[^]:

          Dr. Jeff Sutherland, a co-creator of scrum, said that few scrum implementations reach a true hyper-productive state (500 percent to 1,000 percent normal team performance), and those that do reach it have implemented variations of Extreme Programming.

          Are you EXTREME enough?

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          I can picture EXTREME Scrum. It's like a normal Scrum but launching with a parachute from 10.000 m. That keeps meetings short and helpa prioritize better the topics. Definetely worth a try.

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            TechBeacon[^]:

            Dr. Jeff Sutherland, a co-creator of scrum, said that few scrum implementations reach a true hyper-productive state (500 percent to 1,000 percent normal team performance), and those that do reach it have implemented variations of Extreme Programming.

            Are you EXTREME enough?

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            Duncan Edwards Jones
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            From the article: > ...organizations can adopt scrum in a few days. I'd say that is a flat-out lie. However the consultants that peddle it are doing very well for themselves and are disinclined to say "You know what? Software development is actually a hard problem and requires some professionalism and effort to do well". The slides[^] that accompany his talk do pick that point up. The "scrum gauntlet of debt" does seem like an odd exercise but its purpose is to explain the costs of indiscipline to children managers. I would imagine most companies and development team are at the stage described in slide # 40 ... the code is more "slum" than "scrum".

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              TechBeacon[^]:

              Dr. Jeff Sutherland, a co-creator of scrum, said that few scrum implementations reach a true hyper-productive state (500 percent to 1,000 percent normal team performance), and those that do reach it have implemented variations of Extreme Programming.

              Are you EXTREME enough?

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              Joe Woodbury
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              The claims are absurd, but then again you can get any increase by applying some project management to a company which otherwise had little or none. I've personally found SCRUM in it's entirely to be very counter-productive.

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                "Plus we already know that quality, which is intangible and invisible, doesn't sell." Of course, which is why we produce crap. "Ron suggests that you need something to allow people to feel the pain, and he has just the exercise for it: the Scrum Gauntlet of Debt." Oh, Yes ! Programmers need to feel more pain. I think I'll stay with the cult I'm in now :)

                «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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                BillWoodruff wrote:

                Oh, Yes ! Programmers need to feel more pain. I think I'll stay with the cult I'm in now

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                  The claims are absurd, but then again you can get any increase by applying some project management to a company which otherwise had little or none. I've personally found SCRUM in it's entirely to be very counter-productive.

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                  Joe Woodbury wrote:

                  I've personally found SCRUM in it's entirely to be very counter-productive.

                  can't agree! How can you say it VERY counter-productive!

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                  • K Kent Sharkey

                    TechBeacon[^]:

                    Dr. Jeff Sutherland, a co-creator of scrum, said that few scrum implementations reach a true hyper-productive state (500 percent to 1,000 percent normal team performance), and those that do reach it have implemented variations of Extreme Programming.

                    Are you EXTREME enough?

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                    What is a hyper-productive state? Oh, you mean being able to work without interruptions from the phone, the boss, the coworker, the random fire drill, the network changes IT makes, etc... You mean that when I have to interface to someone else's code, they've already properly tested and documented it so I know exactly what to do and am guaranteed that it'll do what it's supposed to do? You mean the client has done enough homework on their own so that they have a thorough spec, have budgeted for testing, and changes to the spec are only going to be minimal and usually cosmetic? You mean the company gives me the proper software tools, decent equipment, and even pays for the training in new technologies so I can get my job done better? Not sure how scrum and XP would help me be "hyper" productive. Marc

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