View of Saddam
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Reading the war posts, you generally see that there are two sides to the argument. Those that are for the war and those that are againts. But despite all their differences, both agree that Saddam is an evil man. That's the universal truth. Or that's what I thought The local paper I read has been printing submissions by people expressing their thoughts on the war and it's no surprise that their argument mirror those found in the soapbox, with the exception of one. It was written in by a Muslim girl, who basically put Saddam up on a pedestal. She went on saying that Saddam was the pinacle of Muslim beliefs and how he was a role-model for standing up to the oppressive West. And they way she wrote it spoke that she has had higher education. It scares me to think that there are people out there, and educated ones, no less, that have this kind of view of Saddam. Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark Twain -
Reading the war posts, you generally see that there are two sides to the argument. Those that are for the war and those that are againts. But despite all their differences, both agree that Saddam is an evil man. That's the universal truth. Or that's what I thought The local paper I read has been printing submissions by people expressing their thoughts on the war and it's no surprise that their argument mirror those found in the soapbox, with the exception of one. It was written in by a Muslim girl, who basically put Saddam up on a pedestal. She went on saying that Saddam was the pinacle of Muslim beliefs and how he was a role-model for standing up to the oppressive West. And they way she wrote it spoke that she has had higher education. It scares me to think that there are people out there, and educated ones, no less, that have this kind of view of Saddam. Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark TwainNotorious SMC wrote: She went on saying that Saddam was the pinacle of Muslim beliefs and how he was a role-model for standing up to the oppressive West. And they way she wrote it spoke that she has had higher education. Well my first response is just because you are educated does not guarantee you are not a puppet of propaganda (and yes there are multiple sides to that.) To reference an article "Anna-Jayne" gave below Call to prayer revived by troops[^] displays some of what I totally do not understand of the Arabic mindset. We have a Muslim stating how good this man is but yet he has forbidden their call to pray. I would think if the Muslim faith was the focus he should be hated but is not. It appears it is more important to be Arabic than faithful, I really do not understand. ""
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Reading the war posts, you generally see that there are two sides to the argument. Those that are for the war and those that are againts. But despite all their differences, both agree that Saddam is an evil man. That's the universal truth. Or that's what I thought The local paper I read has been printing submissions by people expressing their thoughts on the war and it's no surprise that their argument mirror those found in the soapbox, with the exception of one. It was written in by a Muslim girl, who basically put Saddam up on a pedestal. She went on saying that Saddam was the pinacle of Muslim beliefs and how he was a role-model for standing up to the oppressive West. And they way she wrote it spoke that she has had higher education. It scares me to think that there are people out there, and educated ones, no less, that have this kind of view of Saddam. Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark TwainIn the past, Saddam Hussain was never regarded as an ideal personality in our muslim countries. Just before the start of war when there were protests around the golbe, it was noticable that the protests in Muslim countries were at much smaller scale as compare to the protests in non-muslim countries. Anyways, due to the recent US policies, today Saddam is a "great hero" for many muslims around the world. The love for Saddam Hussain increased many folds when during the second day of war, it was reported that US companies are assured to get all the oil field tenders in Iraq after war and so Israel is expected to get benefit.
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In the past, Saddam Hussain was never regarded as an ideal personality in our muslim countries. Just before the start of war when there were protests around the golbe, it was noticable that the protests in Muslim countries were at much smaller scale as compare to the protests in non-muslim countries. Anyways, due to the recent US policies, today Saddam is a "great hero" for many muslims around the world. The love for Saddam Hussain increased many folds when during the second day of war, it was reported that US companies are assured to get all the oil field tenders in Iraq after war and so Israel is expected to get benefit.
Imran Farooqui wrote: Anyways, due to the recent US policies, today Saddam is a "great hero" for many muslims around the world. I still do not understand why. From the media reports I receive Saddam does not appear to respect the Islam faith, just use it. Imran Farooqui wrote: The love for Saddam Hussain increased many folds when during the second day of war, it was reported that US companies are assured to get all the oil field tenders in Iraq after war and so Israel is expected to get benefit. Really back to how much of our information is slanted by the media availability. All I heard reported was contracts for rebuilding, not contracts for the oil, which should (and must) be in the hands of the Iraqi's. This may very well void existing oil contracts but does not guarantee the US dominance. As for the rebuilding I hope much of the work is done by the local people, just oversight by what ever firms. Given it may be a while before the local administration can do much I do not see this as bad for the Iraqi people. ""
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Reading the war posts, you generally see that there are two sides to the argument. Those that are for the war and those that are againts. But despite all their differences, both agree that Saddam is an evil man. That's the universal truth. Or that's what I thought The local paper I read has been printing submissions by people expressing their thoughts on the war and it's no surprise that their argument mirror those found in the soapbox, with the exception of one. It was written in by a Muslim girl, who basically put Saddam up on a pedestal. She went on saying that Saddam was the pinacle of Muslim beliefs and how he was a role-model for standing up to the oppressive West. And they way she wrote it spoke that she has had higher education. It scares me to think that there are people out there, and educated ones, no less, that have this kind of view of Saddam. Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark TwainNotorious SMC wrote: It scares me to think that there are people out there, and educated ones, no less, that have this kind of view of Saddam. All of Saddam's sins are overlooked (or even erased from memory) in many Arab minds simply because he is fighting America. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". The Arab world is strongly in favor of anyting that is against America. Logic and reason are not involved here, nor is religion or ethics. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped. - Elbert Hubbard
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Imran Farooqui wrote: Anyways, due to the recent US policies, today Saddam is a "great hero" for many muslims around the world. I still do not understand why. From the media reports I receive Saddam does not appear to respect the Islam faith, just use it. Imran Farooqui wrote: The love for Saddam Hussain increased many folds when during the second day of war, it was reported that US companies are assured to get all the oil field tenders in Iraq after war and so Israel is expected to get benefit. Really back to how much of our information is slanted by the media availability. All I heard reported was contracts for rebuilding, not contracts for the oil, which should (and must) be in the hands of the Iraqi's. This may very well void existing oil contracts but does not guarantee the US dominance. As for the rebuilding I hope much of the work is done by the local people, just oversight by what ever firms. Given it may be a while before the local administration can do much I do not see this as bad for the Iraqi people. ""
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: still do not understand why. From the media reports I receive Saddam does not appear to respect the Islam faith, just use it. Hmmm. The reason is that Saddam stood firmly against USA. You know about the relations b/w Islamic countries and Israel. And because USA supports Israel by providing weapons e.t.c, it is assumed by muslim countries that USA is also their "enemy" because it supports Israel. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Really back to how much of our information is slanted by the media availability. Your views about Media are absolutely correct. But there are many other reasons that a common man in any Islamic state assumes that US motive is to obtain oil from Iraq. For example protests inside USA where people holding banners like "No WAR for OIL", whatever Anti- Bush comments passed in Oscar Awards e.t.c. One other reason it that, during the days when Saddam was regarded as a "cruel" person on the earth by Muslims, USA was a "good" friend of Saddam at that time.
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Notorious SMC wrote: It scares me to think that there are people out there, and educated ones, no less, that have this kind of view of Saddam. All of Saddam's sins are overlooked (or even erased from memory) in many Arab minds simply because he is fighting America. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". The Arab world is strongly in favor of anyting that is against America. Logic and reason are not involved here, nor is religion or ethics. Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped. - Elbert Hubbard
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Michael A. Barnhart wrote: still do not understand why. From the media reports I receive Saddam does not appear to respect the Islam faith, just use it. Hmmm. The reason is that Saddam stood firmly against USA. You know about the relations b/w Islamic countries and Israel. And because USA supports Israel by providing weapons e.t.c, it is assumed by muslim countries that USA is also their "enemy" because it supports Israel. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Really back to how much of our information is slanted by the media availability. Your views about Media are absolutely correct. But there are many other reasons that a common man in any Islamic state assumes that US motive is to obtain oil from Iraq. For example protests inside USA where people holding banners like "No WAR for OIL", whatever Anti- Bush comments passed in Oscar Awards e.t.c. One other reason it that, during the days when Saddam was regarded as a "cruel" person on the earth by Muslims, USA was a "good" friend of Saddam at that time.
Imran Farooqui wrote: You know about the relations b/w Islamic countries and Israel. Yes I am, just do not understand from this view point why we are not both enemies. Why is he a hero vs two evil entities. But to fight Hitler the US befriended Stalin, however he was never a hero to the US. Although politically he was a friend at the time. Maybe the difference is just not appreciated? Imran Farooqui wrote: For example protests inside USA where people holding banners like "No WAR for OIL", whatever Anti- Bush comments passed in Oscar Awards e.t.c. Yes. This still surprises me. The US can work with evil nations or good nations to get oil so that just is not a reason for war. Last figures we get 18% of our oil from the Middle East. Just not a reason for war and I do not think it is, but yes that is what you see so if that is your perception that is what I as a US citizen needs to address. Imran Farooqui wrote: One other reason it that, during the days when Saddam was regarded as a "cruel" person on the earth by Muslims, USA was a "good" friend of Saddam at that time. I just wish we could all could do a better job on understanding (and accepting) intent of each other. Much of the valid issues Arabic nations have with the US are due to the US's fight against communism, which was really Stalin’s communism and I still feel the US did the right thing to fight against. ""
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Rob Graham wrote: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" Pity that this mindset did gain popularity on both sides :(
Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: Pity that this mindset did gain popularity on both sides I think that mindset has been accepted for to long. It is what caused WW1, which led to WW2, and US support of Saddam, ... etc... We need to chagne and resolve our differences with each group. ""
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Reading the war posts, you generally see that there are two sides to the argument. Those that are for the war and those that are againts. But despite all their differences, both agree that Saddam is an evil man. That's the universal truth. Or that's what I thought The local paper I read has been printing submissions by people expressing their thoughts on the war and it's no surprise that their argument mirror those found in the soapbox, with the exception of one. It was written in by a Muslim girl, who basically put Saddam up on a pedestal. She went on saying that Saddam was the pinacle of Muslim beliefs and how he was a role-model for standing up to the oppressive West. And they way she wrote it spoke that she has had higher education. It scares me to think that there are people out there, and educated ones, no less, that have this kind of view of Saddam. Notorious SMC
The difference between the almost-right word & the right word is a really large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the Lightning Mark Twain
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please Mark TwainMy enemies enemy is my friend is the term that springs to mind. If the west , and the US in particular, is viewed as a colonist by proxy (western cultural values are spreading worldwide)then you could find the west as a threatening and not a liberating force. This one fact is overlooked by much of the western media who take it for granted that the western way is the better way , and thereby feel that the west are doing the world a favour by exporting their values. Imposing our values on the world is dangerous , what we see as liberating can be interpreted os overwhelming . It may not be intended that way , but that is how it could be seen . There is little doubt that Saddam is opposing the will of the west , and because of that he will have many supporters amongst people who also dislike the west . That has been one of the arguments against the war , it will create an image of Saddam the martyr , when in fact all he is is a tinpot dictator with a chemistry set. The west have to counteract this , so expect a flood of factual programs over the next few years exposing what really went on in his regime . The only problem is , will Al Jazeera show them ? Am I the only one forever playing catch up with technology , while all the juicy opportunites keep rolling by ?
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In the past, Saddam Hussain was never regarded as an ideal personality in our muslim countries. Just before the start of war when there were protests around the golbe, it was noticable that the protests in Muslim countries were at much smaller scale as compare to the protests in non-muslim countries. Anyways, due to the recent US policies, today Saddam is a "great hero" for many muslims around the world. The love for Saddam Hussain increased many folds when during the second day of war, it was reported that US companies are assured to get all the oil field tenders in Iraq after war and so Israel is expected to get benefit.
In most civilizations you will have people on both sides of any issue. Just like there were many Americans protesting the war. Are their many Arabs who are happy to see Saddam taken out of power? Knowing the atrocities he has perpetrated on fellow Muslims. Is it just that the US is doing it? Is it pride that someone else has come in, especially someone who (gasp!) befriends Jews. Aside: Why do you guys(both sides) hate each other so much? And if holy land is your answer, than you've got it all wrong. Two groups worshipping the same God in different ways, who supposedly believe in peaceful living, could come up with a workable solution by now. BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell