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    Kent Sharkey
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    Coding Horror[^]:

    Only hire the best. The quality of the people that work at your company will be one of the biggest factors in your success – or failure.

    "Naega jeil jal naga"

    Because everyone needs a little K-Pop in their lives now and then, don't they?

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      Coding Horror[^]:

      Only hire the best. The quality of the people that work at your company will be one of the biggest factors in your success – or failure.

      "Naega jeil jal naga"

      Because everyone needs a little K-Pop in their lives now and then, don't they?

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      … but the one thing I keep coming back to, that I believe has enduring value in almost all situations, is the audition project:

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      The most significant shift we’ve made is requiring every final candidate to work with us for three to eight weeks on a contract basis. Candidates do real tasks alongside the people they would actually be working with if they had the job. They can work at night or on weekends, so they don’t have to leave their current jobs; most spend 10 to 20 hours a week working with Automattic, although that’s flexible. (Some people take a week’s vacation in order to focus on the tryout, which is another viable option.) The goal is not to have them finish a product or do a set amount of work; it’s to allow us to quickly and efficiently assess whether this would be a mutually beneficial relationship. They can size up Automattic while we evaluate them.

      Were I unemployed and looking for a job I might go for something like that (It'd be short term cashflow if nothing else); but if I were looking for a new job while at my current employer it'd be a total non-starter. Not for time management reasons (burning a week of leave or doing stuff on weekends would be annoying but manageable); but because I have to vet any outside work through my employer - both for ethics/conflict of interest reasons and so they can (at least in theory) choose to bid on the work themselves (although given overhead rates I find it hard to believe they'd find any takers for something that is small enough to be doable after hours "we'll put Dan on it too but will charge you 2 or 3 times as much per hour") - and if I said I was working on something like that they'd probably offer to "help" me out by firing me so I could concentrate on my new project full time instead. :doh:

      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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        … but the one thing I keep coming back to, that I believe has enduring value in almost all situations, is the audition project:

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        The most significant shift we’ve made is requiring every final candidate to work with us for three to eight weeks on a contract basis. Candidates do real tasks alongside the people they would actually be working with if they had the job. They can work at night or on weekends, so they don’t have to leave their current jobs; most spend 10 to 20 hours a week working with Automattic, although that’s flexible. (Some people take a week’s vacation in order to focus on the tryout, which is another viable option.) The goal is not to have them finish a product or do a set amount of work; it’s to allow us to quickly and efficiently assess whether this would be a mutually beneficial relationship. They can size up Automattic while we evaluate them.

        Were I unemployed and looking for a job I might go for something like that (It'd be short term cashflow if nothing else); but if I were looking for a new job while at my current employer it'd be a total non-starter. Not for time management reasons (burning a week of leave or doing stuff on weekends would be annoying but manageable); but because I have to vet any outside work through my employer - both for ethics/conflict of interest reasons and so they can (at least in theory) choose to bid on the work themselves (although given overhead rates I find it hard to believe they'd find any takers for something that is small enough to be doable after hours "we'll put Dan on it too but will charge you 2 or 3 times as much per hour") - and if I said I was working on something like that they'd probably offer to "help" me out by firing me so I could concentrate on my new project full time instead. :doh:

        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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        Erik Burd
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        I'm with you - if I needed the cash ($25/hour is a pittance for any engineering work) then yes, I would go for it. I could see a small weekend-long project but 3-8 weeks? That's crazy. I could easily see potential conflicts with your existing job, let along IP issues. I would rather spend that time working on a side project and use that to get interviews. Although that would be "free" I would at least have a portfolio to show off as opposed to something that would be effectively owned by them and probably under some sort of NDA.

        "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian

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          I'm with you - if I needed the cash ($25/hour is a pittance for any engineering work) then yes, I would go for it. I could see a small weekend-long project but 3-8 weeks? That's crazy. I could easily see potential conflicts with your existing job, let along IP issues. I would rather spend that time working on a side project and use that to get interviews. Although that would be "free" I would at least have a portfolio to show off as opposed to something that would be effectively owned by them and probably under some sort of NDA.

          "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian

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          I'd guess the high end's probably people trying to spread the load out as much as possible to minimize the impact on their day job; 3 weeks minimum and some people taking one week off to concentrate on it (but no mention of taking more than that), suggests a 50-60 hour sized task to me. A main lump that fits into a week, and a non-farcical hours on either side. Still not something that'd really appeal unless I was sold on the company already (or really hurting for rent money); and unless the bulk of their attrition occurs early in the cycle lot of time to put in without a guarantee at the end. OTOH quitting your current job, working for a week or two and then getting sacked for not meeting expectations would suck even worse. X|

          Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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