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Chris Losinger wrote: Here's a hint: he was responsible for the USA PATRIOT act, which gave sweeping new powers to law enforcement, including a whole host of snooping privileges, and for the upcoming legislation nicknamed "PATRIOT II", which extends these powers to include the ability to revoke someone's citizenship, to access credit reports without a subpoena, ease restrictions on "secret evidence", to secretly detain citizens, and so on. The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
Stan Shannon wrote: The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? which part? the part that Ashcroft is a totally partisan two-faced P.O.S., or that he's responsible for the erosion of the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th amendments? i'm shocked that you, one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: For ten points, who said this (no search engines, please): :: In a flagrant attempt to show off my political knowledge... :: Bob Dole ?!? :) Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Bob Dole sadly no. the SOB in question is still employed (tho not elected) :( -c
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Stan Shannon wrote: The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? which part? the part that Ashcroft is a totally partisan two-faced P.O.S., or that he's responsible for the erosion of the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th amendments? i'm shocked that you, one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: ... one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this The conservative/republicans will be happy as long as they get to keep their firearms ;P
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Chris Losinger wrote: Here's a hint: he was responsible for the USA PATRIOT act, which gave sweeping new powers to law enforcement, including a whole host of snooping privileges, and for the upcoming legislation nicknamed "PATRIOT II", which extends these powers to include the ability to revoke someone's citizenship, to access credit reports without a subpoena, ease restrictions on "secret evidence", to secretly detain citizens, and so on. The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
Stan Shannon wrote: The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? :~ Youre kidding right. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Chris Losinger wrote: ... one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this The conservative/republicans will be happy as long as they get to keep their firearms ;P
I'm happy as long as I get to use my userid. ;P
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
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I'm happy as long as I get to use my userid. ;P
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
Damn, it won't let me edit the above message to shorten my "name". ;P Anyway, it was, "I'm not Rohit, I'm anonymous. Honest.". :rolleyes: Whatever. <>
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
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Stan Shannon wrote: The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? which part? the part that Ashcroft is a totally partisan two-faced P.O.S., or that he's responsible for the erosion of the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th amendments? i'm shocked that you, one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: i'm shocked, that you, one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this. Hell, far from being shocked by it, I think its funny as hell watching all the lefties squirm as their chickens come home to roost. I thought safety and security always trumped the constitution. Isn't that what arguments against the 2nd amendment are all about? I thought the federal government could change the inherent meaning of the constitution on a whim. Isn't that what Row v Wade and the Flag Burning decision and Prayer in school, etc, etc, etc. were all about? You either respect the constitution or you don't. The left long ago tossed away any right to complain about Ashcroft's antics. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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Stan Shannon wrote: The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? :~ Youre kidding right. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
He's just taking a piss on Chris because he's a "leftie". ;) -- In the land of the blind, be king! Some day, Dominion, some say prayers, now I say mine.
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Stan Shannon wrote: The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? :~ Youre kidding right. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Anyone trully concerned about their constitutional rights would have been worried long before Ashcroft came along. This country richly deserves Ashcroft. I love the guy. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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Chris Losinger wrote: i'm shocked, that you, one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this. Hell, far from being shocked by it, I think its funny as hell watching all the lefties squirm as their chickens come home to roost. I thought safety and security always trumped the constitution. Isn't that what arguments against the 2nd amendment are all about? I thought the federal government could change the inherent meaning of the constitution on a whim. Isn't that what Row v Wade and the Flag Burning decision and Prayer in school, etc, etc, etc. were all about? You either respect the constitution or you don't. The left long ago tossed away any right to complain about Ashcroft's antics. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
Stan Shannon wrote: their chickens come home to roost. their chickens???? Ashcroft is, and always has been, a Republican. Stan Shannon wrote: The left long ago tossed away any right to complain about Ashcroft's antics. you put Party Politics before everything else: before your own liberties and before the solidity of the Constitution. you bitch about what one party does, but cheer when your own party does it. that's truly fucking disgusting. -c
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For ten points, who said this (no search engines, please): "The administration's interest in all e-mail is a wholly unhealthy precedent, especially given this administration's track record on FBI files and IRS snooping. Every medium by which people communicate can be subject to exploitation by those with illegal intentions. Nevertheless, this is no reason to hand Big Brother the keys to unlock our e-mail diaries, open our ATM records, read our medical records, or translate our international communications." ? Here's a hint: he was responsible for the USA PATRIOT act, which gave sweeping new powers to law enforcement, including a whole host of snooping privileges, and for the upcoming legislation nicknamed "PATRIOT II", which extends these powers to include the ability to revoke someone's citizenship, to access credit reports without a subpoena, ease restrictions on "secret evidence", to secretly detain citizens, and so on. A: http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/1097/ijge/gj-7.htm[^] IMO, this should be a concern to all US citizens, regardless of political affiliation. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: and for the upcoming legislation nicknamed "PATRIOT II", which extends these powers to include the ability to revoke someone's citizenship, to access credit reports without a subpoena, ease restrictions on "secret evidence", to secretly detain citizens, and so on. Except this isn't true at many levels. There is no "Patriot II" act intended to do what you claim. Second, I hate defending Ashcroft since I think he's a jerk, but he wasn't responsible for the Patriot act. The Patriot act was written and enacted by the US Senate and House of Representatives. We have an election in a year and a half for all representatives, a third of the senators and the president. You do have the opportunity to change things. At the most extreme, you could run for office (I suggest starting with your state legislature, but Representative is also a possibility.) If you don't want to do that, you could volunteer to work for a candidate's election/reelection campaign. I would suggest getting your facts straight first.
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Stan Shannon wrote: their chickens come home to roost. their chickens???? Ashcroft is, and always has been, a Republican. Stan Shannon wrote: The left long ago tossed away any right to complain about Ashcroft's antics. you put Party Politics before everything else: before your own liberties and before the solidity of the Constitution. you bitch about what one party does, but cheer when your own party does it. that's truly fucking disgusting. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: their chickens???? Ashcroft is, and always has been, a Republican. After 50 years of Democrats rewritting the constitution, did you really believe the republicans would never get in on the act? Duh, maybe someone should of thought of that sooner! Chris Losinger wrote: you put Party Politics before everything else: before your own liberties and before the solidity of the Constitution. you bitch about what one party does, but cheer when your own party does it. that's truly f***ing disgusting. Yep, being made to eat your own shit is pretty disgusting, but it's still enjoyable for the chef. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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Chris Losinger wrote: and for the upcoming legislation nicknamed "PATRIOT II", which extends these powers to include the ability to revoke someone's citizenship, to access credit reports without a subpoena, ease restrictions on "secret evidence", to secretly detain citizens, and so on. Except this isn't true at many levels. There is no "Patriot II" act intended to do what you claim. Second, I hate defending Ashcroft since I think he's a jerk, but he wasn't responsible for the Patriot act. The Patriot act was written and enacted by the US Senate and House of Representatives. We have an election in a year and a half for all representatives, a third of the senators and the president. You do have the opportunity to change things. At the most extreme, you could run for office (I suggest starting with your state legislature, but Representative is also a possibility.) If you don't want to do that, you could volunteer to work for a candidate's election/reelection campaign. I would suggest getting your facts straight first.
Joe Woodbury wrote: There is no "Patriot II" act intended to do what you claim i realize it hasn't been presented as a bill yet, but the drafts have been available for months, known as the "Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003". "patriot ii" is, as i said, a nickname. it was written by the same people and is aimed to do more of what USA PATRIOT does. Joe Woodbury wrote: Second, I hate defending Ashcroft since I think he's a jerk, but he wasn't responsible for the Patriot act. The Patriot act was written and enacted by the US Senate and House of Representatives. except that it was written by the Justice Department, led by Ashcroft. it is largely credited to Viet Dinh, who is also credited with Patriot II. and, as Ashcroft is Mr Dinh's boss, Ashcroft is responsible. it was passed by congress, with no difficulty, and very little debate. and i do blame congress for passing it. but the DOJ wrote it, and Bush rubber-stamped it. (would someone please explain what about this post makes you rate it a "1" ?) -c
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Anyone trully concerned about their constitutional rights would have been worried long before Ashcroft came along. This country richly deserves Ashcroft. I love the guy. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
I've been paranoid about all politicians for many years. Ashcroft just validates my belief that politicians are the scum of the earth. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Chris Losinger wrote: their chickens???? Ashcroft is, and always has been, a Republican. After 50 years of Democrats rewritting the constitution, did you really believe the republicans would never get in on the act? Duh, maybe someone should of thought of that sooner! Chris Losinger wrote: you put Party Politics before everything else: before your own liberties and before the solidity of the Constitution. you bitch about what one party does, but cheer when your own party does it. that's truly f***ing disgusting. Yep, being made to eat your own shit is pretty disgusting, but it's still enjoyable for the chef. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
Stan Shannon wrote: After 50 years of Democrats rewritting the constitution, did you really believe the republicans would never get in on the act? Duh, maybe it is all clear to me now: republicans are the party of Say One Thing, Do Another. thanks for clearing that up. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: i'm shocked, that you, one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this. Hell, far from being shocked by it, I think its funny as hell watching all the lefties squirm as their chickens come home to roost. I thought safety and security always trumped the constitution. Isn't that what arguments against the 2nd amendment are all about? I thought the federal government could change the inherent meaning of the constitution on a whim. Isn't that what Row v Wade and the Flag Burning decision and Prayer in school, etc, etc, etc. were all about? You either respect the constitution or you don't. The left long ago tossed away any right to complain about Ashcroft's antics. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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Stan Shannon wrote: The real question is : Why is this such a big deal to you? which part? the part that Ashcroft is a totally partisan two-faced P.O.S., or that he's responsible for the erosion of the 1st, 4th, 5th and 6th amendments? i'm shocked that you, one who complains about the way the government has abandoned the Constitution, would (apparently) have no problem with this. -c
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I am glad to see your renewed interest in the Constitution. Does this now mean that we can count on your support to eliminate The Brady Bill and other silly attempts to limit our ability to purchase and own firearms. There are other problems also but one at a time. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
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Stan Shannon wrote: After 50 years of Democrats rewritting the constitution, did you really believe the republicans would never get in on the act? Duh, maybe it is all clear to me now: republicans are the party of Say One Thing, Do Another. thanks for clearing that up. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: it is all clear to me now: republicans are the party of Say One Thing, Do Another. As opposed to every other party/politician/con artist? ---
Not one of them, IMO, should be called beer. Maybe malt flavored mineral water. - Jörgen Sigvardsson on Bud, Coors and Miller
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He's just taking a piss on Chris because he's a "leftie". ;) -- In the land of the blind, be king! Some day, Dominion, some say prayers, now I say mine.
Ahh people and their spatial preoccupations. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Chris Losinger wrote: it is all clear to me now: republicans are the party of Say One Thing, Do Another. As opposed to every other party/politician/con artist? ---
Not one of them, IMO, should be called beer. Maybe malt flavored mineral water. - Jörgen Sigvardsson on Bud, Coors and Miller
Shog9 wrote: As opposed to every other party/politician/con artist? well, i'm not sure the democrats even pretend to stand for upholding the constitution. -c
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