This is great.
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NON-BINDING resolutions. There is a difference.
Yep. some are protected by UN veto powers, others aren't :suss: (No particular attack against the US, the 5 holders have the same behaviour)
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Thomas George wrote: "I think that we believe there are chemical weapons in Syria, for example," Bush said. Well, the whole "chemical weapons in Syria" argument doesn't hold a lot of real weight. The fact of the matter is that bio/chem weapons are rather distasteful - in part because of their capability to kill civilians indescriminantly and in large numbers. But, they aren't any less civilian-friendly than, say, nuclear weapons. So, simply having them isn't really a big offense (unless we're going to say that having nuclear weapons is a big offense). And we all know of plenty of nations with nukes. I think that's different than the possibility of Iraq having bio/chem/nuclear weapons, however, because Iraq has shown a lot of bad behavior, so everyone recognizes that they should be disarmed (everyone, including the French, Germans, and Russians agree with that statement). It's a little bit like laws in the US: you own a gun, and you can be an ex-convict, but an ex-convict cannot own a gun. Merely owning the gun is not sufficient to be in violation of any laws. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
Brit wrote: because Iraq has shown a lot of bad behavior Is there any nation which didn't have a bad behavior at a moment of its History? My point is, what are the factors which guide us to judge the behavior of a Nation? CNN? :confused:
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"I think that we believe there are chemical weapons in Syria, for example," Bush said. Does he want to start another war? Also, is the US claiming that they, the Russians, the Chinese etc. don't have chemical weapons, that having chemical weapons became a big issue? AFAIK, whatever their reputation be, Syria has not done a military offensive on a neighbouring country like Iraq did. Anyway, the statement sounds ominous. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Yes, it's clear to me that Bush is realising that this sudden victory means he could mount a hostile takeover of the Middle East. Dark days ahead, I believe..... Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Brit wrote: because Iraq has shown a lot of bad behavior Is there any nation which didn't have a bad behavior at a moment of its History? My point is, what are the factors which guide us to judge the behavior of a Nation? CNN? :confused:
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KaЯl wrote: Is there any nation which didn't have a bad behavior at a moment of its History? Well, no. But, "bad behavior" covers a pretty wide area. Afterall, I could characterize Nazi Germany as guilty of "bad behavior", but you might again say that "is there any nation which didn't have bad behavior at a moment of its history?" (No, I'm not comparing Iraq to Nazi Germany. I'm merely pointing out that the elasticity of your argument can cover pretty much everything.) My point is, what are the factors which guide us to judge the behavior of a Nation? CNN? I don't know. What factors guide us to judge anything from Nazi Germany to serial killers? Who are we to setup courts in the first place, since humankind is never a perfect judge of anything? ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
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Brit wrote: because Iraq has shown a lot of bad behavior Is there any nation which didn't have a bad behavior at a moment of its History? My point is, what are the factors which guide us to judge the behavior of a Nation? CNN? :confused:
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I want to know where Syria got them from. I thought the US only sold them to Iraq ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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I want to know where Syria got them from. I thought the US only sold them to Iraq ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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KaЯl wrote: Is there any nation which didn't have a bad behavior at a moment of its History? Well, no. But, "bad behavior" covers a pretty wide area. Afterall, I could characterize Nazi Germany as guilty of "bad behavior", but you might again say that "is there any nation which didn't have bad behavior at a moment of its history?" (No, I'm not comparing Iraq to Nazi Germany. I'm merely pointing out that the elasticity of your argument can cover pretty much everything.) My point is, what are the factors which guide us to judge the behavior of a Nation? CNN? I don't know. What factors guide us to judge anything from Nazi Germany to serial killers? Who are we to setup courts in the first place, since humankind is never a perfect judge of anything? ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
the Third Reich could be an obvious example, but whatabout Turkey and the armenian genocide? Did it have the same repercussion in the World opinion? but let's try an harder one: what's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Syrya promotes terrorist groups, has probably chemical weapons and is a bloody dictatorship which invaded a part of Lebanon and still occupies it, without counting the aggression wars against Israel. Brit wrote: Who are we to setup courts in the first place, since humankind is never a perfect judge of anything There's now an International Court of Justice. It could be a good idea to begin to use it.
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Trollslayer wrote: What about the chemical, biological and nucelar weapons in Israel, or their violation of UN resolutions ? What resolutions?
For the record, most "anti"-Israel resolutions are non-binding, passed by the general assembly and have outnumbered "anti-Arab resolutions by about 25 to 1. The two key binding resolutions concerning Israel are 242 and 338. 242 was passed following the 1967 war and 338 following the Yom Kippur war in 1973. What critics completely fail to realize is that the resolution applies to ALL parties involved, not just Israel. Article 1 states: 1. Affirms that the fulfilment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles: (i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict; (ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;
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the Third Reich could be an obvious example, but whatabout Turkey and the armenian genocide? Did it have the same repercussion in the World opinion? but let's try an harder one: what's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Syrya promotes terrorist groups, has probably chemical weapons and is a bloody dictatorship which invaded a part of Lebanon and still occupies it, without counting the aggression wars against Israel. Brit wrote: Who are we to setup courts in the first place, since humankind is never a perfect judge of anything There's now an International Court of Justice. It could be a good idea to begin to use it.
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You want to abolish courts and Department of Justice? My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Thomas George wrote: Does he want to start another war? No. There will not be a war in Syria unless they start it or are linked to a terrorist act. There will not be the public support for a war with Syria like there is/was with Iraq. The point of this is a now that we showed how easy it was to disarm Iraq. How hard would it be to disarm Syria? This was a threat to the Syrians to cooperate and nothing more. John
You sound very certain. I am not as certain as you are. Going back a few months, the Iraq situation also started with innocent sounding statements, which many people on CP said was 'posturing'. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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"I think that we believe there are chemical weapons in Syria, for example," Bush said. Does he want to start another war? Also, is the US claiming that they, the Russians, the Chinese etc. don't have chemical weapons, that having chemical weapons became a big issue? AFAIK, whatever their reputation be, Syria has not done a military offensive on a neighbouring country like Iraq did. Anyway, the statement sounds ominous. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
George Bush said: I think that we believe... What is this shit. He can't figure out what he believes? Or he can't figure out if he thinks? Anyways, it does seem like Syria is next on the list. I noticed the propaganda campaign is already starting, just as it did with Iraq a year ago. Give it a year. We'll be back in the Persian Gulf just in time for primaries. Bush will probably invoke some clause that we can't have a presidential election in the middle of a war. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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the Third Reich could be an obvious example, but whatabout Turkey and the armenian genocide? Did it have the same repercussion in the World opinion? but let's try an harder one: what's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Syrya promotes terrorist groups, has probably chemical weapons and is a bloody dictatorship which invaded a part of Lebanon and still occupies it, without counting the aggression wars against Israel. Brit wrote: Who are we to setup courts in the first place, since humankind is never a perfect judge of anything There's now an International Court of Justice. It could be a good idea to begin to use it.
But I did emphasie techies who I would imagine are brighter than the average freedom fry eating rednecks - Chris Austin
KaЯl wrote: the Third Reich could be an obvious example, but whatabout Turkey and the armenian genocide? Did it have the same repercussion in the World opinion? but let's try an harder one: what's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Syrya promotes terrorist groups, has probably chemical weapons and is a bloody dictatorship which invaded a part of Lebanon and still occupies it, without counting the aggression wars against Israel. I have not looked into things like the Armenian genocide enough to have a reasonable opinion about it. I'll avoid making any judgement since it would obviously be borne out of ignorance - thus, any opinion I expressed wouldn't be very useful, and it would be bad from the standpoint of argumentation since I could quickly be ambushed. As for Syria: yes, I am aware of the 1980 Hama massacre and other nasty things they've done. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see Syria's invasions as crimes of opportunity. Saddam had some serious drive for power. For example, when he invaded Kuwait, he was planning to follow up with a series of other attacks designed to create a "greater Iraq" (at least that's what Uday Hussein said). Hence, I've seen Saddam as someone who will intentionally rock the boat and conquer for his own glory and megalomania. KaЯl wrote: There's now an International Court of Justice. It could be a good idea to begin to use it. The world is so political that the international criminal courts are suspect. Did you know that Ariel Sharron has been called to appear before the ICC recently? I'm not saying that Ariel Sharron is innocent of the Sabra and Shatila massacres, but it's very much a political hot button. (I have to wonder how hard Arabs were pushing for that.) Further, I have to wonder if Arafat should be called into the ICC, too, for terrorism. But, that's a horrible political mess, too. I'm sure Jews would push for that, and Arabs would reject the "injustice" of the ruling if the ICC found Arafat guilty of anything at all. The second problem is getting the criminals into court in the first place. I'd be unsurprised if some people in Saddam's regime were already indicted by international courts, but if they don't feel like showing up, who's going to make them? Answer: only military power can get them into court (e.g. Milosevic). But, I'm sure you would say that military intervention before court is backwards. Courts work in civil society because we have police officers who are
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You want to abolish courts and Department of Justice? My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Small correction: Syria sent troops to Lebanon in 1976 with claims of fighting terrorists. Israel invaded southern Lebanon in 1982 whereupon Syria immediately claimed they were assisting Lebanon.
Joe Woodbury wrote: Small correction: Syria sent troops to Lebanon in 1976 with claims of fighting terrorists. Israel invaded southern Lebanon in 1982 whereupon Syria immediately claimed they were assisting Lebanon. Thanks. However, the assisting argument cannot be valid since Israel withdraw.
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No, I would like to add another court, a supra-national entity which could trial the villains even if they are still in power somewhere.
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US has already shot it down when it asked for immunity for US citizens. Why would anyone else agree? Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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US has already shot it down when it asked for immunity for US citizens. Why would anyone else agree? Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
A lot of countries already ratified the convention, enough ratifications to allow the Court to exist. Once again, US link themselves with the worst dictatorships to refuse any international control :|
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KaЯl wrote: the Third Reich could be an obvious example, but whatabout Turkey and the armenian genocide? Did it have the same repercussion in the World opinion? but let's try an harder one: what's the difference between Syria and Iraq? Syrya promotes terrorist groups, has probably chemical weapons and is a bloody dictatorship which invaded a part of Lebanon and still occupies it, without counting the aggression wars against Israel. I have not looked into things like the Armenian genocide enough to have a reasonable opinion about it. I'll avoid making any judgement since it would obviously be borne out of ignorance - thus, any opinion I expressed wouldn't be very useful, and it would be bad from the standpoint of argumentation since I could quickly be ambushed. As for Syria: yes, I am aware of the 1980 Hama massacre and other nasty things they've done. Maybe I'm wrong, but I see Syria's invasions as crimes of opportunity. Saddam had some serious drive for power. For example, when he invaded Kuwait, he was planning to follow up with a series of other attacks designed to create a "greater Iraq" (at least that's what Uday Hussein said). Hence, I've seen Saddam as someone who will intentionally rock the boat and conquer for his own glory and megalomania. KaЯl wrote: There's now an International Court of Justice. It could be a good idea to begin to use it. The world is so political that the international criminal courts are suspect. Did you know that Ariel Sharron has been called to appear before the ICC recently? I'm not saying that Ariel Sharron is innocent of the Sabra and Shatila massacres, but it's very much a political hot button. (I have to wonder how hard Arabs were pushing for that.) Further, I have to wonder if Arafat should be called into the ICC, too, for terrorism. But, that's a horrible political mess, too. I'm sure Jews would push for that, and Arabs would reject the "injustice" of the ruling if the ICC found Arafat guilty of anything at all. The second problem is getting the criminals into court in the first place. I'd be unsurprised if some people in Saddam's regime were already indicted by international courts, but if they don't feel like showing up, who's going to make them? Answer: only military power can get them into court (e.g. Milosevic). But, I'm sure you would say that military intervention before court is backwards. Courts work in civil society because we have police officers who are
Brit wrote: For example, when he invaded Kuwait, he was planning to follow up with a series of other attacks designed to create a "greater Iraq" What is doing Syria by occupying Lebanon than trying to relazie their dream of "Great Syria". France "created" Lebanon to "protect" the different religions, especially the Christians. Syria never accepted this separation. They will try to "reunificate" as soon as there will be an opportunity. Brit wrote: The world is so political that the international criminal courts are suspect You can't have Justice without a court. It's one of the foundations of our beliefs in the democracy. Why would it be different at a wider scale? Brit wrote: Answer: only military power can get them into court (e.g. Milosevic) Nutnut. The serbian government sent Milosevitch in the Hague
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US has already shot it down when it asked for immunity for US citizens. Why would anyone else agree? Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Thomas George wrote: US has already shot it down when it asked for immunity for US citizens. Why would anyone else agree? European nations built their own little "get out of jail free" cards into the ICC, so it's not like the US is doing anything different than the europeans in that particular case. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
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A lot of countries already ratified the convention, enough ratifications to allow the Court to exist. Once again, US link themselves with the worst dictatorships to refuse any international control :|
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KaЯl wrote: Once again, US link themselves with the worst dictatorships to refuse any international control You should know that european nations built their own little "get out of jail free" cards into the ICC, so it's not like the US is doing anything different than the europeans in that particular case. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
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Thomas George wrote: US has already shot it down when it asked for immunity for US citizens. Why would anyone else agree? European nations built their own little "get out of jail free" cards into the ICC, so it's not like the US is doing anything different than the europeans in that particular case. ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion
I am not saying other countries are better. But, not many contries claim the moral high ground that the US claim for themselves. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers