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    Kent Sharkey
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    Infoworld[^]:

    Data science skills will become more important for coding as software is 'trained' via AI.

    You mean all this time I wasn't a software developer?

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      Infoworld[^]:

      Data science skills will become more important for coding as software is 'trained' via AI.

      You mean all this time I wasn't a software developer?

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      Master Man1980
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      Quote:

      You mean all this time I wasn't a software developer?

      Not you. He(the author) wasn't

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        Infoworld[^]:

        Data science skills will become more important for coding as software is 'trained' via AI.

        You mean all this time I wasn't a software developer?

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        raddevus
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        Alternative title for the story: You're No Developer, Unless You've Written Excel VBA. :laugh: It should be the new litmus test for dev skills. :laugh:

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          Infoworld[^]:

          Data science skills will become more important for coding as software is 'trained' via AI.

          You mean all this time I wasn't a software developer?

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          littleGreenDude
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          We got it covered. Developers are already artificially intelligent. ;P

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            Infoworld[^]:

            Data science skills will become more important for coding as software is 'trained' via AI.

            You mean all this time I wasn't a software developer?

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            Mark_Wallace
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            Shame it's nonsense. Once a strong set of AI bases* are set for a given demesne, they can just be applied to problems in that demesne and let loose. There'll be nothing else to do but feed them data, so the AI world will more like the IT world of 30 years ago, back in the days of "Data-entry Technicians", with a handful of universities/companies working on new bases. OTOH, the idea that AI will be writing "code for any occasion" is simply out of the question, for a long, long, time. I can see the old adage "To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer" getting a lot of use, over the coming years. * That's the "bases" that's pronounced "baysees".

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              Shame it's nonsense. Once a strong set of AI bases* are set for a given demesne, they can just be applied to problems in that demesne and let loose. There'll be nothing else to do but feed them data, so the AI world will more like the IT world of 30 years ago, back in the days of "Data-entry Technicians", with a handful of universities/companies working on new bases. OTOH, the idea that AI will be writing "code for any occasion" is simply out of the question, for a long, long, time. I can see the old adage "To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer" getting a lot of use, over the coming years. * That's the "bases" that's pronounced "baysees".

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              Matt T Heffron
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              Don't you mean:

              Mark_Wallace wrote:

              ...set for a given demesnedomain, they can just be applied to problems in that demesnedomain and let loose.

              "Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." - G.K. Chesterton

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                Don't you mean:

                Mark_Wallace wrote:

                ...set for a given demesnedomain, they can just be applied to problems in that demesnedomain and let loose.

                "Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." - G.K. Chesterton

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                Mark_Wallace
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                No, I mean demesne. Just because the guys who coined the word for computery stuff got the word wrong doesn't mean it's correct. Domain has to do with dominance, ownership. A demesne is just a field, so it's the word that's meant (the fact that they're pronounced the same didn't help). Guys in AI tend to be more knowledgeable about human-language than the average developer, because understanding/parsing/overall use of human language was and is one of the first things studied, for AI (and the English language is probably the one thing most extensively studied for it), whereas the average developer is only interested in computer languages. So we use the correct word. Plus, the word "domain" has too many "within computing" meanings, these days, so it's far too ambiguous. It's like "interface" -- For God's sake, guys! Look up a synonym, and use that for whatever *new* thing you're introducing!

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                  No, I mean demesne. Just because the guys who coined the word for computery stuff got the word wrong doesn't mean it's correct. Domain has to do with dominance, ownership. A demesne is just a field, so it's the word that's meant (the fact that they're pronounced the same didn't help). Guys in AI tend to be more knowledgeable about human-language than the average developer, because understanding/parsing/overall use of human language was and is one of the first things studied, for AI (and the English language is probably the one thing most extensively studied for it), whereas the average developer is only interested in computer languages. So we use the correct word. Plus, the word "domain" has too many "within computing" meanings, these days, so it's far too ambiguous. It's like "interface" -- For God's sake, guys! Look up a synonym, and use that for whatever *new* thing you're introducing!

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Matt T Heffron
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                  Well...

                  domain noun

                  1. a field of action, thought, influence, etc.:
                    the domain of science.

                  demense noun

                  1. possession of land as one's own:
                    land held in demesne.

                  (Both from: dictionary.com)

                  looks to me like domain is the appropriate choice in this context.

                  "Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." - G.K. Chesterton

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                    Well...

                    domain noun

                    1. a field of action, thought, influence, etc.:
                      the domain of science.

                    demense noun

                    1. possession of land as one's own:
                      land held in demesne.

                    (Both from: dictionary.com)

                    looks to me like domain is the appropriate choice in this context.

                    "Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed." - G.K. Chesterton

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    Oh, come on! I am so sick of people quoting the bloody useless dictionary.com! I'm beginning to believe that the site was put together by pranksters.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Oh, come on! I am so sick of people quoting the bloody useless dictionary.com! I'm beginning to believe that the site was put together by pranksters.

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Daniel Pfeffer
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                      I've just checked my copy of the Concise Oxford Dictionary of English. It gives three more usages of domain (in physics, mathematics, and computing), and one more usage for demense (also related to land). Is the ODE also put together by pranksters?

                      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                        I've just checked my copy of the Concise Oxford Dictionary of English. It gives three more usages of domain (in physics, mathematics, and computing), and one more usage for demense (also related to land). Is the ODE also put together by pranksters?

                        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        That's "ancient demesne" and/or "royal demesne", which have more-or-less the same meaning as "domain", and are thought by some to be a bastardised migration to marry with "domain" (because spelling didn't always have the importance it has, these days, so language drift was even harsher). Give it up, eh? I've been a linguist for thirty-five years; googling can't match that.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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