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Does NULL <> 'string'?

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  • L Lost User

    What the hell... Thank you for the info. Unfortunatelly I have to work mostly with interbase (we are on the way to replace it by MSSQL)and with Interbase until now I thought "!=" is not possible. Made just a short test, and yes also IB accpets "!=" :-O :laugh: [Edit] BTW: Have some Problems to seriously translate "if you're anal compliance" :confused: :laugh:

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    0x01AA wrote:

    BTW: Have some Problems to seriously translate "if you're anal about compliance"

    anal - Wiktionary[^] - definition #3: of a person, compulsive and stubborn, obsessed with neatness and accuracy Synonyms: fussy, pernickety, picky


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      0x01AA wrote:

      BTW: Have some Problems to seriously translate "if you're anal about compliance"

      anal - Wiktionary[^] - definition #3: of a person, compulsive and stubborn, obsessed with neatness and accuracy Synonyms: fussy, pernickety, picky


      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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      Lost User
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      Thank you for help me learning English. What such a insignifican word like "about" can change everything :laugh: Thank you Bruno

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      • C Chris Maunder

        You'd think so. Except in SQL We had a query:

        Select count(*)
        From TableOne

        which returned, say, 500,000 records. Next we added

        Select count(*)
        From TableOne
        Left Join TableTwo On TableTwo.TableTwoID = TableOne.TableTwoID
        Where TableTwo.TableTwoID is null or TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

        We're trying to find the number of records in TableOne which, when joined with TableTwo, either have no corresponding TableTwo row or the corresponding TableTwo row is not 'value'. TableTwo.StringColumn is nullable. The result? Adding the join resulted in 25K records. It should have been over 490K records. The issue?

        TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

        This comparison returns false if TableTwo.StringColumn is null. So one needs to use

        IsNull(TableTwo.StringColumn, '') <> 'value'

        to get the correct result.

        cheers Chris Maunder

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        hpcoder2
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        Actually, the same sort of thing happens in floating point arithmetic, in pretty much any language under the sun. The values NaN (yes, there's more than one type of NaN) always return false when compared with any other number. So both NaN==x and NaN != x are false. etc., etc. This has bitten me in the arse a number of times, and I work in C++.

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        • C Chris Maunder

          You'd think so. Except in SQL We had a query:

          Select count(*)
          From TableOne

          which returned, say, 500,000 records. Next we added

          Select count(*)
          From TableOne
          Left Join TableTwo On TableTwo.TableTwoID = TableOne.TableTwoID
          Where TableTwo.TableTwoID is null or TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

          We're trying to find the number of records in TableOne which, when joined with TableTwo, either have no corresponding TableTwo row or the corresponding TableTwo row is not 'value'. TableTwo.StringColumn is nullable. The result? Adding the join resulted in 25K records. It should have been over 490K records. The issue?

          TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

          This comparison returns false if TableTwo.StringColumn is null. So one needs to use

          IsNull(TableTwo.StringColumn, '') <> 'value'

          to get the correct result.

          cheers Chris Maunder

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          Lost User
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          Chris Maunder wrote:

          to get the correct result.

          The other result was also correct, just not the one you wanted. The behaviour is logical. Your last example would be very VB-ish, where a "NULL" value is treated like an empty string. In the database-world, an empty value does not mean an empty string. ..and it is not something recent, is it? :p

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          • L Lost User

            Chris Maunder wrote:

            to get the correct result.

            The other result was also correct, just not the one you wanted. The behaviour is logical. Your last example would be very VB-ish, where a "NULL" value is treated like an empty string. In the database-world, an empty value does not mean an empty string. ..and it is not something recent, is it? :p

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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            Eddy Vluggen wrote:

            The other result was also correct, just not the one you wanted

            This is exactly why I love programming.

            cheers Chris Maunder

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            • N Nelek

              Guys... this is not the soapbox

              M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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              TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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              It's also not the lounge.

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              • C Chris Maunder

                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                The other result was also correct, just not the one you wanted

                This is exactly why I love programming.

                cheers Chris Maunder

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                My sarcasm meter just broke.

                #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                • L Lost User

                  Yes, and it is pretty correct. NULL is not defined and can therefore not be compared to a value. Also not for nuallable type in c#.

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                  Rob Grainger
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                  Exactly - in Codd's original work (which defined Relational Database Management Systems), this is referred to as null progagation. Interesting, in The Relational Model for Database Management Systems V2, he introduced two null values one indicates the value is unknown and inapplicable (like the null behaviour you described), and the other indicating the value is unknown and applicable (which would give the behaviour Chris was expecting). Sadly, to the best of my knowledge, no-one bothered pursuing any of the good ideas in there.

                  "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    You'd think so. Except in SQL We had a query:

                    Select count(*)
                    From TableOne

                    which returned, say, 500,000 records. Next we added

                    Select count(*)
                    From TableOne
                    Left Join TableTwo On TableTwo.TableTwoID = TableOne.TableTwoID
                    Where TableTwo.TableTwoID is null or TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

                    We're trying to find the number of records in TableOne which, when joined with TableTwo, either have no corresponding TableTwo row or the corresponding TableTwo row is not 'value'. TableTwo.StringColumn is nullable. The result? Adding the join resulted in 25K records. It should have been over 490K records. The issue?

                    TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

                    This comparison returns false if TableTwo.StringColumn is null. So one needs to use

                    IsNull(TableTwo.StringColumn, '') <> 'value'

                    to get the correct result.

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                    Rob Grainger
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                    I prefer the idiom...

                    (TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value') or TableTwo.StringColumn is null

                    I find it a bit more readable (never really liked the name of the IsNull function).

                    "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      You'd think so. Except in SQL We had a query:

                      Select count(*)
                      From TableOne

                      which returned, say, 500,000 records. Next we added

                      Select count(*)
                      From TableOne
                      Left Join TableTwo On TableTwo.TableTwoID = TableOne.TableTwoID
                      Where TableTwo.TableTwoID is null or TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

                      We're trying to find the number of records in TableOne which, when joined with TableTwo, either have no corresponding TableTwo row or the corresponding TableTwo row is not 'value'. TableTwo.StringColumn is nullable. The result? Adding the join resulted in 25K records. It should have been over 490K records. The issue?

                      TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

                      This comparison returns false if TableTwo.StringColumn is null. So one needs to use

                      IsNull(TableTwo.StringColumn, '') <> 'value'

                      to get the correct result.

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      Lost User
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                      In the end I can feel with you. I just entered the trap with NULL values _one more again_ :^) :-D SELECT xyz FROM Tbl1 LEFT JOIN Tbl2 ON Tbl2.Tbl1_ID = Tbl1.ID WHERE Tbl1.IntValue <> Tbl2.IntValue Where in both tables NULL Values are allowed for the field IntValue. S*t happens :doh:

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        You'd think so. Except in SQL We had a query:

                        Select count(*)
                        From TableOne

                        which returned, say, 500,000 records. Next we added

                        Select count(*)
                        From TableOne
                        Left Join TableTwo On TableTwo.TableTwoID = TableOne.TableTwoID
                        Where TableTwo.TableTwoID is null or TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

                        We're trying to find the number of records in TableOne which, when joined with TableTwo, either have no corresponding TableTwo row or the corresponding TableTwo row is not 'value'. TableTwo.StringColumn is nullable. The result? Adding the join resulted in 25K records. It should have been over 490K records. The issue?

                        TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

                        This comparison returns false if TableTwo.StringColumn is null. So one needs to use

                        IsNull(TableTwo.StringColumn, '') <> 'value'

                        to get the correct result.

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                        al3c
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                        It's either col equals null meaning a field with no value or you've got an epmty string you can use

                        Select *
                        From Table
                        Where (col is null or col = '')

                        or IsNull method to find epty strngs and null values _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Alec programming[^] expert

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