Latest Microsoft Patch Stops Epson (and some other older printers) from Printing on Windows 7 / 8 / 10
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
Solutions are being offered - uninstall the update, but it begs the question: shouldn't a computer that prints prescriptions be prevented from auto-updating?
Just the opposite, they handle very sensitive Patient Medical Information and thus need to be as secure as possible and thus auto-update. Also, these computers are managed by under paid doctors and nurses not IT managers. Most doctors practices have a staff of around 3-10 people.
'Secure as possible' in my world means 'test before implementing'.. in this case, have a second computer that does NOT auto-update and remains under lock and key and disconnected from the network until needed.. as it appears to be.
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
Solutions are being offered - uninstall the update, but it begs the question: shouldn't a computer that prints prescriptions be prevented from auto-updating?
Just the opposite, they handle very sensitive Patient Medical Information and thus need to be as secure as possible and thus auto-update. Also, these computers are managed by under paid doctors and nurses not IT managers. Most doctors practices have a staff of around 3-10 people.
What MS does not seem to understand since they dropped Windows 8 on an unsuspecting world, is that many people around this world are using Microsoft OSs on the front line and we expect them, barring hardware failure to elephanting work like they did yesterday. You would think they would be happy with their standing in the world but no, they'd rather screw us up on purpose as if sport.
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What MS does not seem to understand since they dropped Windows 8 on an unsuspecting world, is that many people around this world are using Microsoft OSs on the front line and we expect them, barring hardware failure to elephanting work like they did yesterday. You would think they would be happy with their standing in the world but no, they'd rather screw us up on purpose as if sport.
This also affects Windows 7, so why bring up Windows 8? To me, this more points to the problem with Microsoft (and many other companies) reducing testing departments (in favor of automated tests.) Automated tests are great, but are only as smart as the tester who wrote them. (Here, I'll guess the tester didn't even think of adding dot matrix printers to the suite.)
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
Solutions are being offered - uninstall the update, but it begs the question: shouldn't a computer that prints prescriptions be prevented from auto-updating?
Just the opposite, they handle very sensitive Patient Medical Information and thus need to be as secure as possible and thus auto-update. Also, these computers are managed by under paid doctors and nurses not IT managers. Most doctors practices have a staff of around 3-10 people.
Never in the history of ever has this been a good idea where stability is concerned in a professional environment. Sure, for the average home user, but not for professionals that depend on rock solid stability. Try running an ISP where the OS just magically changes for instance. See how far you get.
Jeremy Falcon
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
Solutions are being offered - uninstall the update, but it begs the question: shouldn't a computer that prints prescriptions be prevented from auto-updating?
Just the opposite, they handle very sensitive Patient Medical Information and thus need to be as secure as possible and thus auto-update. Also, these computers are managed by under paid doctors and nurses not IT managers. Most doctors practices have a staff of around 3-10 people.
Member 3717204 wrote:
and thus need to be as secure as possible
Member 3717204 wrote:
these computers are managed by under paid doctors and nurses not IT managers.
A disaster waiting to happen, if all you do is rely on OS updates to ensure security. :rolleyes:
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Member 3717204 wrote:
and thus need to be as secure as possible
Member 3717204 wrote:
these computers are managed by under paid doctors and nurses not IT managers.
A disaster waiting to happen, if all you do is rely on OS updates to ensure security. :rolleyes:
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Marc Clifton wrote:
A disaster waiting to happen, if all you do is rely on OS updates to ensure security. :rolleyes:
And an even bigger disaster if they listen to pretentious tech snobs, turn off auto-updates, and inevitably fail to manually patch their systems promptly each month. :doh:
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Marc Clifton wrote:
A disaster waiting to happen, if all you do is rely on OS updates to ensure security. :rolleyes:
And an even bigger disaster if they listen to pretentious tech snobs, turn off auto-updates, and inevitably fail to manually patch their systems promptly each month. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Hmm. I resemble that remark. ;)
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Never in the history of ever has this been a good idea where stability is concerned in a professional environment. Sure, for the average home user, but not for professionals that depend on rock solid stability. Try running an ISP where the OS just magically changes for instance. See how far you get.
Jeremy Falcon
I agree with you fully and, as someone who has dealt with this issue for decades, Microsoft is doing a really good job of convincing people that Windows 10 is not the OS to use in those situations. On the computers we deploy we ALWAYS remove W10 and install W7 and we always disable auto-updating. At this point in time, we do not trust W10 for anything more than laptops and only because it's our only option on these machines. We are a manufacturing company and so far I don't know of any systems deployed using W10 and I do my darndest to avoid it.
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I agree with you fully and, as someone who has dealt with this issue for decades, Microsoft is doing a really good job of convincing people that Windows 10 is not the OS to use in those situations. On the computers we deploy we ALWAYS remove W10 and install W7 and we always disable auto-updating. At this point in time, we do not trust W10 for anything more than laptops and only because it's our only option on these machines. We are a manufacturing company and so far I don't know of any systems deployed using W10 and I do my darndest to avoid it.
Totally. And I think updates are a good idea, but controlled and allowed for testing before being sent out to production. Glad to see I'm not alone in this regard.
Jeremy Falcon
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Marc Clifton wrote:
A disaster waiting to happen, if all you do is rely on OS updates to ensure security. :rolleyes:
And an even bigger disaster if they listen to pretentious tech snobs, turn off auto-updates, and inevitably fail to manually patch their systems promptly each month. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Dan Neely wrote:
and inevitably fail to manually patch their systems promptly each month
Then hire people that will do their jobs. ;) What you call pretentious, I call experience. I've seen more servers go down over an update that wasn't planned for than I've seen servers get hacked due to lack of updates. It's not about being a snob. Try running the servers that run banks or the stock exchange. Sure for a mom and pop shop no big deal. But for something that requires the utmost reliability it's a problem. Anyway, I know this is moot considering you can disable it on Windows Server at least. I just gotta defend the snobs. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Marc Clifton wrote:
A disaster waiting to happen, if all you do is rely on OS updates to ensure security. :rolleyes:
And an even bigger disaster if they listen to pretentious tech snobs, turn off auto-updates, and inevitably fail to manually patch their systems promptly each month. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Oh btw, this day and age you can automate the manual triggering of updates to install them across an entire infrastructure instead of letting Windows do it willy nilly. Which I'm all for because that way you get time to test and review them before sending them out to production.
Jeremy Falcon
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Marc Clifton wrote:
A disaster waiting to happen, if all you do is rely on OS updates to ensure security. :rolleyes:
And an even bigger disaster if they listen to pretentious tech snobs, turn off auto-updates, and inevitably fail to manually patch their systems promptly each month. :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
It's better not to listen to them: every time an update create millions of dollars of damages a lot of contractors are paid to fix them. Auto updates are our job security.
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Dan Neely wrote:
and inevitably fail to manually patch their systems promptly each month
Then hire people that will do their jobs. ;) What you call pretentious, I call experience. I've seen more servers go down over an update that wasn't planned for than I've seen servers get hacked due to lack of updates. It's not about being a snob. Try running the servers that run banks or the stock exchange. Sure for a mom and pop shop no big deal. But for something that requires the utmost reliability it's a problem. Anyway, I know this is moot considering you can disable it on Windows Server at least. I just gotta defend the snobs. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
If you have an IT dept, yes test first and deploy a day or two later instead of letting an OS auto-deploy run. The 99% of people and small businesses whose "IT dept" is the service desk at their local computer boxmart aren't going to here the almost universally unvoiced "If you have an IT dept" and if they try to listen to what they heard will end up in with the >95% of people who're pwned by a virus exploiting a bug that was fixed months or years ago because they turned off auto-updates a year ago and last patched 3 months after doing so.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
Solutions are being offered - uninstall the update, but it begs the question: shouldn't a computer that prints prescriptions be prevented from auto-updating?
Just the opposite, they handle very sensitive Patient Medical Information and thus need to be as secure as possible and thus auto-update. Also, these computers are managed by under paid doctors and nurses not IT managers. Most doctors practices have a staff of around 3-10 people.
Which beggars the question, why not use a secure OS? OpenBSD for example, which has "Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!" (20 years now)
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