Sunday morning, and Microsoft has rebooted my laptop...
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even though I used their supported restart options. I'm not sure yet, but I think that MS has coded up a "reboot it anyway" feature. Just curious if you Windows 10 users out there have managed to find away to stop this elephanting reboot crap. Right now, you would not want me near the nuclear football... I have some targets in mind.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Um, certain updates that Microsoft makes to Windows, etc. require a reboot whether you like it or not. The alternative is to not use Windows. It really is not a big deal.
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Um, certain updates that Microsoft makes to Windows, etc. require a reboot whether you like it or not. The alternative is to not use Windows. It really is not a big deal.
Slacker007 wrote:
s. It really is not a big deal.
Just wait until your phone does this. :laugh: Or your car. Oh wait no worries M$ doesn't have a phone. Why any software company would think restarting any device at their convenience would be best for any user is beyond understanding. :confused:
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Um, certain updates that Microsoft makes to Windows, etc. require a reboot whether you like it or not. The alternative is to not use Windows. It really is not a big deal.
"It's not really a big deal." Are you serious? I am staring at a panel that says "nag, don't reboot" (paraphrase). If Microsoft is going to reboot machines anyway, just say so, ffs. I don't care how you want to polish the turd, it's still a turd.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Um, certain updates that Microsoft makes to Windows, etc. require a reboot whether you like it or not. The alternative is to not use Windows. It really is not a big deal.
Slacker007 wrote:
The alternative is to not use Windows.
Actually I'd love to buy my next Dell without Windows 10 but it isn't possible (nor was it with my last). If I am forced to pay for a product I also expect to be able to provide respectful feedback it it is crap and have that feedback considered. To be told to elephant off if I don't like it would seem to be the height of hubris.
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Slacker007 wrote:
s. It really is not a big deal.
Just wait until your phone does this. :laugh: Or your car. Oh wait no worries M$ doesn't have a phone. Why any software company would think restarting any device at their convenience would be best for any user is beyond understanding. :confused:
It's past any sort of understanding. Windows 7 was rock solid for me, unless I got too happy with USB devices. Other than that, I might have had one blue screen per year. Windows 10 does two things that boggle the mind: - the reboot issue. What the hell, lets just put in a bug to blue screen it. - driver updates: this is a killer for laptop users. I don't know what is wrong with Microsoft. They are tripling down on this foolishness. I'm already doing an audit on the s/w I use, looking for Linux based solutions (I live in the embedded world, so I might be able to do this). For the times I cannot avoid using MS, I'll put it in a VM.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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"It's not really a big deal." Are you serious? I am staring at a panel that says "nag, don't reboot" (paraphrase). If Microsoft is going to reboot machines anyway, just say so, ffs. I don't care how you want to polish the turd, it's still a turd.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
You know that you can control when Windows 10 does updates. Certain updates require a reboot, or your fucking OS doesn't work. Your choice. Like I said, what is the big deal? :confused:
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Slacker007 wrote:
s. It really is not a big deal.
Just wait until your phone does this. :laugh: Or your car. Oh wait no worries M$ doesn't have a phone. Why any software company would think restarting any device at their convenience would be best for any user is beyond understanding. :confused:
See my reply to charlie. You, out of all people, should know how Windows updates and reboots work. :doh:
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You know that you can control when Windows 10 does updates. Certain updates require a reboot, or your fucking OS doesn't work. Your choice. Like I said, what is the big deal? :confused:
Yeah, I saw your reply. I have no problem with updates, and yes, I know how to do them. But when you provide me an option and then ignore it, crashing all of my VMs and work in progress, it sort of pisses me off. Besides, there's no f'ing reason to do this. None. If I delivered something like this to my customers, it would be a very chilly meeting to discuss why their production line went down. Keep polishing the turd.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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It's past any sort of understanding. Windows 7 was rock solid for me, unless I got too happy with USB devices. Other than that, I might have had one blue screen per year. Windows 10 does two things that boggle the mind: - the reboot issue. What the hell, lets just put in a bug to blue screen it. - driver updates: this is a killer for laptop users. I don't know what is wrong with Microsoft. They are tripling down on this foolishness. I'm already doing an audit on the s/w I use, looking for Linux based solutions (I live in the embedded world, so I might be able to do this). For the times I cannot avoid using MS, I'll put it in a VM.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
- driver updates: this is a killer for laptop users.
I know the pain whereof you speak. After months of my laptop rebooting I determined (with help from CP users) that my laptop was rebooting because M$ installed a driver for my wifi that would reboot my machine when the machine went into sleep mode. The only way I could fix it was make sure my machine never goes into sleep mode. It hasn't rebooted since I did that. I tried installing old drivers and M$ would re-install the new ones constantly. :|
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See my reply to charlie. You, out of all people, should know how Windows updates and reboots work. :doh:
yes, I do understand and most of it is ok but there are just times when I've been in the middle of something, had to leave my machine and then M$ has rebooted my machine and I have a whole series of things to do to get back to the place where I was working. Good discussion on this. I understand M$ has a challenge too, but the whole paradigm has shifted and Win users just aren't used to this behavior and it often feels like we do not own our own hardware.
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even though I used their supported restart options. I'm not sure yet, but I think that MS has coded up a "reboot it anyway" feature. Just curious if you Windows 10 users out there have managed to find away to stop this elephanting reboot crap. Right now, you would not want me near the nuclear football... I have some targets in mind.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Disable the Windows Update service. Then manually turn it on and check for updates whenever your schedule allows, afterwards turning it back off. I have had good luck with this approach, but don't guarantee it. I miss Win 7s approach of telling you when updates were available, but not forcing you to update.
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Disable the Windows Update service. Then manually turn it on and check for updates whenever your schedule allows, afterwards turning it back off. I have had good luck with this approach, but don't guarantee it. I miss Win 7s approach of telling you when updates were available, but not forcing you to update.
David O'Neil wrote:
Disable the Windows Update service.
I've noticed that it re-enables itself. I'm looking into writing a service killer that checks every 60 seconds, as there are other services involved in the auto-update as well -- I don't have the link at the moment, when I find it again, I'll finish my service killer applet and post it here, mwahaha.
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David O'Neil wrote:
Disable the Windows Update service.
I've noticed that it re-enables itself. I'm looking into writing a service killer that checks every 60 seconds, as there are other services involved in the auto-update as well -- I don't have the link at the moment, when I find it again, I'll finish my service killer applet and post it here, mwahaha.
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You'll get my five. That would be a used tool. Right now Action Center is giving one recommendation, saying some apps stopped working but not giving any details. I'm keeping my eye on it. I also noticed a restart of the service once. I'm wondering if it does so at a full reboot. Since I hibernate all the time except once around the time it restarted, maybe that is the triggering factor.
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Yeah, I saw your reply. I have no problem with updates, and yes, I know how to do them. But when you provide me an option and then ignore it, crashing all of my VMs and work in progress, it sort of pisses me off. Besides, there's no f'ing reason to do this. None. If I delivered something like this to my customers, it would be a very chilly meeting to discuss why their production line went down. Keep polishing the turd.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
Keep polishing the turd.
Not polishing the turd as much as living with the turd given to me, and making do. :sigh:
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charlieg wrote:
- driver updates: this is a killer for laptop users.
I know the pain whereof you speak. After months of my laptop rebooting I determined (with help from CP users) that my laptop was rebooting because M$ installed a driver for my wifi that would reboot my machine when the machine went into sleep mode. The only way I could fix it was make sure my machine never goes into sleep mode. It hasn't rebooted since I did that. I tried installing old drivers and M$ would re-install the new ones constantly. :|
raddevus wrote:
After months of my laptop rebooting I determined (with help from CP users) that my laptop was rebooting because M$ installed a driver for my wifi that would reboot my machine when the machine went into sleep mode. The only way I could fix it was make sure my machine never goes into sleep mode. It hasn't rebooted since I did that.
You still owe me two beers. :beer: :beer: Plus the late fee. Best Wishes, -David Delaune
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raddevus wrote:
After months of my laptop rebooting I determined (with help from CP users) that my laptop was rebooting because M$ installed a driver for my wifi that would reboot my machine when the machine went into sleep mode. The only way I could fix it was make sure my machine never goes into sleep mode. It hasn't rebooted since I did that.
You still owe me two beers. :beer: :beer: Plus the late fee. Best Wishes, -David Delaune
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even though I used their supported restart options. I'm not sure yet, but I think that MS has coded up a "reboot it anyway" feature. Just curious if you Windows 10 users out there have managed to find away to stop this elephanting reboot crap. Right now, you would not want me near the nuclear football... I have some targets in mind.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Okay, so since I know all about Windows updates, I decided to not do an f'ing thing today, reboot every time to install updates. Every damn time the update fails. But don't worry, that's just how Windows updates goes... lets see: Cumulative update is awaiting restart..... for the nth time I'll restart and the fucker still doesn't install. But that's okay, it's the way updates work. What a POS
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Okay, so since I know all about Windows updates, I decided to not do an f'ing thing today, reboot every time to install updates. Every damn time the update fails. But don't worry, that's just how Windows updates goes... lets see: Cumulative update is awaiting restart..... for the nth time I'll restart and the fucker still doesn't install. But that's okay, it's the way updates work. What a POS
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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David O'Neil wrote:
Disable the Windows Update service.
I've noticed that it re-enables itself. I'm looking into writing a service killer that checks every 60 seconds, as there are other services involved in the auto-update as well -- I don't have the link at the moment, when I find it again, I'll finish my service killer applet and post it here, mwahaha.
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Doesn't have anything to do with shut down - MS did its thing without shutdown or hibernate taking place, and WU service was at manual instead of disabled when I just checked. X|
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even though I used their supported restart options. I'm not sure yet, but I think that MS has coded up a "reboot it anyway" feature. Just curious if you Windows 10 users out there have managed to find away to stop this elephanting reboot crap. Right now, you would not want me near the nuclear football... I have some targets in mind.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Microsoft do seem to have a habit of putting one feature into an OS that's guaranteed to p*** people off in a big way. With Vista it was that godawful UAC system which soon had people screaming at their laptops: "Yes, I AM trying to run a goddamn program on MY goddamn computer, you stupid bloody OS! Why do you think I bought the bloody thing?" Net result: an otherwise good version of Windows became quite possibly the most unpopular of the lot. With 10, it's the overly assertive update system that raises the hackles. Yes, updates are necessary and that's often going to involve a restart and a little bit of nagging but the way that it has been implemented in 10 can only be described as downright rude. Net result: there are still a lot of people out there pining for the good old days of 7.
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