Sunday morning, and Microsoft has rebooted my laptop...
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Okay, so since I know all about Windows updates, I decided to not do an f'ing thing today, reboot every time to install updates. Every damn time the update fails. But don't worry, that's just how Windows updates goes... lets see: Cumulative update is awaiting restart..... for the nth time I'll restart and the fucker still doesn't install. But that's okay, it's the way updates work. What a POS
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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David O'Neil wrote:
Disable the Windows Update service.
I've noticed that it re-enables itself. I'm looking into writing a service killer that checks every 60 seconds, as there are other services involved in the auto-update as well -- I don't have the link at the moment, when I find it again, I'll finish my service killer applet and post it here, mwahaha.
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Doesn't have anything to do with shut down - MS did its thing without shutdown or hibernate taking place, and WU service was at manual instead of disabled when I just checked. X|
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even though I used their supported restart options. I'm not sure yet, but I think that MS has coded up a "reboot it anyway" feature. Just curious if you Windows 10 users out there have managed to find away to stop this elephanting reboot crap. Right now, you would not want me near the nuclear football... I have some targets in mind.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Microsoft do seem to have a habit of putting one feature into an OS that's guaranteed to p*** people off in a big way. With Vista it was that godawful UAC system which soon had people screaming at their laptops: "Yes, I AM trying to run a goddamn program on MY goddamn computer, you stupid bloody OS! Why do you think I bought the bloody thing?" Net result: an otherwise good version of Windows became quite possibly the most unpopular of the lot. With 10, it's the overly assertive update system that raises the hackles. Yes, updates are necessary and that's often going to involve a restart and a little bit of nagging but the way that it has been implemented in 10 can only be described as downright rude. Net result: there are still a lot of people out there pining for the good old days of 7.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Slacker007 wrote:
The alternative is to not use Windows.
Actually I'd love to buy my next Dell without Windows 10 but it isn't possible (nor was it with my last). If I am forced to pay for a product I also expect to be able to provide respectful feedback it it is crap and have that feedback considered. To be told to elephant off if I don't like it would seem to be the height of hubris.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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pwasser wrote:
Dell without Windows 10
Dell provides Linux laptops. Google: dell laptop linux Click first link
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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No longer available in Australia.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Slacker007 wrote:
s. It really is not a big deal.
Just wait until your phone does this. :laugh: Or your car. Oh wait no worries M$ doesn't have a phone. Why any software company would think restarting any device at their convenience would be best for any user is beyond understanding. :confused:
raddevus wrote:
Just wait until your phone does this
raddevus wrote:
no worries M$ doesn't have a phone.
Why, just last week, my Windows Phone reminded me that it needed to restart...I'm not surprised anymore. Yep, there's still a few WP owners out there! :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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raddevus wrote:
Just wait until your phone does this
raddevus wrote:
no worries M$ doesn't have a phone.
Why, just last week, my Windows Phone reminded me that it needed to restart...I'm not surprised anymore. Yep, there's still a few WP owners out there! :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
kmoorevs wrote:
Yep, there's still a few WP owners out there!
:) All the way back in 2002 I had a great Viewsonic PocketPC running Windows PocketPC 2002. It was really great. I could read ebooks on it (remember Microsoft .LIT and MS Reader? most likely you don't) many years before Kindle and Amazon. My cubicle neighbor at the time had PocketPC via Dell which was also a phone. A PHONE!! Keep in mind that Apple did not release the iPhone until June 29, 2007. It is crazy that M$ failed at this. They were like 5 years ahead and they still couldn't win.
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even though I used their supported restart options. I'm not sure yet, but I think that MS has coded up a "reboot it anyway" feature. Just curious if you Windows 10 users out there have managed to find away to stop this elephanting reboot crap. Right now, you would not want me near the nuclear football... I have some targets in mind.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
I totally understand the frustration, also having vented here (or in the lounge) about losing unsaved work (on multiple occasions) due to an unwanted forced restart on Winten. Sadly, I see there is still no guaranteed way to prevent it. :( There is also the issue of resetting registry permissions and policies on some updates, but that's another rant!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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David O'Neil wrote:
Disable the Windows Update service.
I've noticed that it re-enables itself. I'm looking into writing a service killer that checks every 60 seconds, as there are other services involved in the auto-update as well -- I don't have the link at the moment, when I find it again, I'll finish my service killer applet and post it here, mwahaha.
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[How can I prevent automatic updates? - Page 8 - Windows 10 Forums](https://www.tenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/72248-how-can-i-prevent-automatic-updates-8.html#post1252396) or, a program by someone already exists: [Windows Update Blocker v1.1](https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-1/) I've downloaded it, but haven't executed it. Norton didn't give any warnings, it is < 1MB, and the hosting company is located in USA, but that isn't enough to make me comfortable. It is an exe in a zip - no installer. There may be other solutions as well. Looking forward to your solution if you get to it.
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[How can I prevent automatic updates? - Page 8 - Windows 10 Forums](https://www.tenforums.com/windows-updates-activation/72248-how-can-i-prevent-automatic-updates-8.html#post1252396) or, a program by someone already exists: [Windows Update Blocker v1.1](https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-1/) I've downloaded it, but haven't executed it. Norton didn't give any warnings, it is < 1MB, and the hosting company is located in USA, but that isn't enough to make me comfortable. It is an exe in a zip - no installer. There may be other solutions as well. Looking forward to your solution if you get to it.
David O'Neil wrote:
There may be other solutions as well. Looking forward to your solution if you get to it.
Reading the comments for Windows Update Blocker, it seems like it doesn't always work. At least no one reported malware, but then again, I wouldn't trust the average user. Gads, the W10 Forums page link -- complicated stuff! We'll see when I get around to trying my own solution -- it's on the low priority list right now. Marc
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David O'Neil wrote:
There may be other solutions as well. Looking forward to your solution if you get to it.
Reading the comments for Windows Update Blocker, it seems like it doesn't always work. At least no one reported malware, but then again, I wouldn't trust the average user. Gads, the W10 Forums page link -- complicated stuff! We'll see when I get around to trying my own solution -- it's on the low priority list right now. Marc
Latest Article - Building a Prototype Web-Based Diagramming Tool with SVG and Javascript Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Found a poor man's version that I think works. Create a bat file with the following:
@echo off
:while1
sc stop wuauserv
sc config wuauserv start= disabled
timeout 60
goto :while1Open a command prompt as admin and run the bat. Any improvements are appreciated - I've never been a knowledgeable bat file creator. I suspect with some more work I could hide the command prompt from the taskbar using AutoHotKey, but I'm lazy. But I can place it on a new desktop that I never look at! Tested it by setting wuauserv to manual in between the 60 second intervals. Had to F5 the Services pane after the 60 seconds hit. Successfully disabled the service! Will other services you hinted about also need to be stopped, or will just the main wuauserv be enough to kill the updates? I'll place a copy of this in the lounge in case others want to play.
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You'll get my five. That would be a used tool. Right now Action Center is giving one recommendation, saying some apps stopped working but not giving any details. I'm keeping my eye on it. I also noticed a restart of the service once. I'm wondering if it does so at a full reboot. Since I hibernate all the time except once around the time it restarted, maybe that is the triggering factor.
David O'Neil wrote:
Action Center
If you want to get rid of that I wrote this a couple years ago (only tested on Win7):
:: Action Center Disable
:: Disables ActionCenter and ActionCenterCPL
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@ECHO OFFSC stop wscsvc
SC config wscsvc start=disabledTAKEOWN /F "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenter.dll"
ICACLS "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenter.dll" /grant:r administrators:F
REN "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenter.dll" ActionCenter.bakTAKEOWN /F "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenterCPL.dll"
ICACLS "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenterCPL.dll" /grant:r administrators:F
REN "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenterCPL.dll" ActionCenterCPL.bakECHO Operations completed.
PAUSE > NULAs long as you're logged in as admin it works great and if you ever want to re-enable just rename the *.bak to *.dll. Even if you don't re-enable the service Windows will do that automatically if it detects the DLLs as I found out.
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David O'Neil wrote:
Action Center
If you want to get rid of that I wrote this a couple years ago (only tested on Win7):
:: Action Center Disable
:: Disables ActionCenter and ActionCenterCPL
::
@ECHO OFFSC stop wscsvc
SC config wscsvc start=disabledTAKEOWN /F "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenter.dll"
ICACLS "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenter.dll" /grant:r administrators:F
REN "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenter.dll" ActionCenter.bakTAKEOWN /F "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenterCPL.dll"
ICACLS "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenterCPL.dll" /grant:r administrators:F
REN "%SystemRoot%\system32\ActionCenterCPL.dll" ActionCenterCPL.bakECHO Operations completed.
PAUSE > NULAs long as you're logged in as admin it works great and if you ever want to re-enable just rename the *.bak to *.dll. Even if you don't re-enable the service Windows will do that automatically if it detects the DLLs as I found out.
Thanks!
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even though I used their supported restart options. I'm not sure yet, but I think that MS has coded up a "reboot it anyway" feature. Just curious if you Windows 10 users out there have managed to find away to stop this elephanting reboot crap. Right now, you would not want me near the nuclear football... I have some targets in mind.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Sad to read such rants here on CP. "programmers" that don't know how to save work, how to install old drivers, how to setup Windows-Update (or are ranting about old versions and long solved problems), whining about how "good" Windows 7 was, it's a shame. All workers should know the tools for the Job. As a programmer the OS is a big "tool" to know… I think Noob-User discussions don't belong here... :thumbsdown:
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Sad to read such rants here on CP. "programmers" that don't know how to save work, how to install old drivers, how to setup Windows-Update (or are ranting about old versions and long solved problems), whining about how "good" Windows 7 was, it's a shame. All workers should know the tools for the Job. As a programmer the OS is a big "tool" to know… I think Noob-User discussions don't belong here... :thumbsdown:
What's sad is you missed the entire context of the rant. Windows 7 *was* less invasive. Windows 8 was a steaming pile of ****, and Windows 10 primary feature is Microsoft trying to figure out someway to package it as a service. Save work: I do save my work, but many times I have debug sessions going on for days (embedded systems). You think it's okay to reboot because of policy? Install old drivers - why would I even have to do that? You're an elephanting idiot.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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What's sad is you missed the entire context of the rant. Windows 7 *was* less invasive. Windows 8 was a steaming pile of ****, and Windows 10 primary feature is Microsoft trying to figure out someway to package it as a service. Save work: I do save my work, but many times I have debug sessions going on for days (embedded systems). You think it's okay to reboot because of policy? Install old drivers - why would I even have to do that? You're an elephanting idiot.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
So if you plan a debug-session just set out updates (it's max is 35 days) - so no restart or Installation will happen. If you don't need old drivers everything is fine - if you Need, you can install even drivers that didn't work anymore on Windows7 for very old devices on Windows 10. I have no problem, if you have some unrational "believe" or sympathy for old OSes. From an objective point of view Windows 10 isn't perfect but much better than it's predecessors -and the experience arround updates is constantly improving. P.S. I don't think you an idiot - just a little "nostalgic" about something you shouldn't be in professional life. Win7 time is over - accept it...
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So if you plan a debug-session just set out updates (it's max is 35 days) - so no restart or Installation will happen. If you don't need old drivers everything is fine - if you Need, you can install even drivers that didn't work anymore on Windows7 for very old devices on Windows 10. I have no problem, if you have some unrational "believe" or sympathy for old OSes. From an objective point of view Windows 10 isn't perfect but much better than it's predecessors -and the experience arround updates is constantly improving. P.S. I don't think you an idiot - just a little "nostalgic" about something you shouldn't be in professional life. Win7 time is over - accept it...
You are missing my point entirely. thrice, so, rather than hash a dead horse, have a nice day.
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759