The Southern Invasion
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Reference my past comments on the open nature of the American borders. For those who don't know or haven't heard there is an organized approach to the retaking (by Mexican nationals) of land that Mexico lost to the US years ago, the Southwest and California. This is a link to a site that monitors that activity and fights back. The site is full of links and references, whether you agree or disagree with the position it makes for interesting reading. I just came across this today and thought folks might like to argue about something other than Iraq, Bush, terrorism, etc. Ya, it is way out there but what the heck. http://www.americanpatrol.com/[^] Mike
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Reference my past comments on the open nature of the American borders. For those who don't know or haven't heard there is an organized approach to the retaking (by Mexican nationals) of land that Mexico lost to the US years ago, the Southwest and California. This is a link to a site that monitors that activity and fights back. The site is full of links and references, whether you agree or disagree with the position it makes for interesting reading. I just came across this today and thought folks might like to argue about something other than Iraq, Bush, terrorism, etc. Ya, it is way out there but what the heck. http://www.americanpatrol.com/[^] Mike
i took a quick rtip through the site and didn't see anything about the plan you speak of. i did see a lot of other stuff, of course. unfortunately, mexican immigrants do all the work americans don't want to do. here in NC, they do all the manual farm tasks like picking tobacco, fruit, cotton, etc., and probably a lot of the construction and landscaping work (Manuel Labor, a friend calls it). IMO, if preserving american's farms is desirable, i see three choices: cheap immigrant labor, more govt subsidies or force americans back into the fields at well below the minimum wage. #2 is no good. #3 is probably impossible. i notice that site has a lot of "this immigrant committed this crime!" stories. but, here in NC, i don't think i've heard more than one or two news stories involving immigrants in the 6 years i've been here. -c
Chris Losinger
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Reference my past comments on the open nature of the American borders. For those who don't know or haven't heard there is an organized approach to the retaking (by Mexican nationals) of land that Mexico lost to the US years ago, the Southwest and California. This is a link to a site that monitors that activity and fights back. The site is full of links and references, whether you agree or disagree with the position it makes for interesting reading. I just came across this today and thought folks might like to argue about something other than Iraq, Bush, terrorism, etc. Ya, it is way out there but what the heck. http://www.americanpatrol.com/[^] Mike
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Reference my past comments on the open nature of the American borders. For those who don't know or haven't heard there is an organized approach to the retaking (by Mexican nationals) of land that Mexico lost to the US years ago, the Southwest and California. This is a link to a site that monitors that activity and fights back. The site is full of links and references, whether you agree or disagree with the position it makes for interesting reading. I just came across this today and thought folks might like to argue about something other than Iraq, Bush, terrorism, etc. Ya, it is way out there but what the heck. http://www.americanpatrol.com/[^] Mike
I'm all in favor of blocking every attempt at legalizing illegal Mexican immigrants; thanks for the link. The ones that legally enter the country I welcome with open arms, but the vast majority here in the Southwest are wetbacks travelling on false documents or entirely sub rosa, and are such low life scum they deserve to be taken out with the trash. I appreciate the fact that life is hard in Mexico, but I think their efforts are better spent in trying to build their own very rich country into the fine nation it could become.
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I'm all in favor of blocking every attempt at legalizing illegal Mexican immigrants; thanks for the link. The ones that legally enter the country I welcome with open arms, but the vast majority here in the Southwest are wetbacks travelling on false documents or entirely sub rosa, and are such low life scum they deserve to be taken out with the trash. I appreciate the fact that life is hard in Mexico, but I think their efforts are better spent in trying to build their own very rich country into the fine nation it could become.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."What about the US people who hire these illegal immigrants and exploit their misery? [EDIT] I wrote "US people" because the example was about the mexican immigration. We have there the same problems, the same rethorics, and the same bastards exploiting the distress of these illegal immigrants. My point is that immigrants make easy victims, when IMO the most disgusting are the ones who use them. So it's not about anti-americanism, but "anti-exploitation"ism. Illegals are easy scapegoats, also often subjects to racism and xenophobia. I rather consider them as victims. [/EDIT]
Show me a hero, and I'll show you a bum - Greg "Pappy" Boyington
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Reference my past comments on the open nature of the American borders. For those who don't know or haven't heard there is an organized approach to the retaking (by Mexican nationals) of land that Mexico lost to the US years ago, the Southwest and California. This is a link to a site that monitors that activity and fights back. The site is full of links and references, whether you agree or disagree with the position it makes for interesting reading. I just came across this today and thought folks might like to argue about something other than Iraq, Bush, terrorism, etc. Ya, it is way out there but what the heck. http://www.americanpatrol.com/[^] Mike
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Reference my past comments on the open nature of the American borders. For those who don't know or haven't heard there is an organized approach to the retaking (by Mexican nationals) of land that Mexico lost to the US years ago, the Southwest and California. This is a link to a site that monitors that activity and fights back. The site is full of links and references, whether you agree or disagree with the position it makes for interesting reading. I just came across this today and thought folks might like to argue about something other than Iraq, Bush, terrorism, etc. Ya, it is way out there but what the heck. http://www.americanpatrol.com/[^] Mike
That battle is already lost. Hispanics have such a huge voting block in any number of key election states that to make any serious attempt now to stem the flood tide across that border would represent political suicide. Effectively, the US no longer has a Southern border. Set back and get used to it - they're coming.
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Reference my past comments on the open nature of the American borders. For those who don't know or haven't heard there is an organized approach to the retaking (by Mexican nationals) of land that Mexico lost to the US years ago, the Southwest and California. This is a link to a site that monitors that activity and fights back. The site is full of links and references, whether you agree or disagree with the position it makes for interesting reading. I just came across this today and thought folks might like to argue about something other than Iraq, Bush, terrorism, etc. Ya, it is way out there but what the heck. http://www.americanpatrol.com/[^] Mike
From an outsiders POV I'm really surprised the US doesn't have internal terrorism due to it's past expansion. The only reason I can think of is that the claiments are better off under the current system then under a modifiied one. My knowledge of the legal right that the US has to the western part of the country is hazy. I thought the greater northern part beloged to the Hudson company and the south belonged to an ceeded Mexican territory. Although the leaglaity might be in question, as always possesion is 90% of the law. Regardz Colin J Davies
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From an outsiders POV I'm really surprised the US doesn't have internal terrorism due to it's past expansion. The only reason I can think of is that the claiments are better off under the current system then under a modifiied one. My knowledge of the legal right that the US has to the western part of the country is hazy. I thought the greater northern part beloged to the Hudson company and the south belonged to an ceeded Mexican territory. Although the leaglaity might be in question, as always possesion is 90% of the law. Regardz Colin J Davies
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**This link is to reboot your PCIt's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Colin Davies wrote: My knowledge of the legal right that the US has to the western part of the country is hazy. I thought the greater northern part beloged to the Hudson company and the south belonged to an ceeded Mexican territory. The northern part was settled a LONG time ago. Both France and GB claimed the territory so the original claim was picked up with the Louisiana Purchase and a legal agreement to the boundary was eventually settled. If you go to the State Of Texas home page and find the link about the Annexation of the Republic of Texas, you can learn a little more. www.texas.gov[^] California also has it's history. As for the rest all I can say times have changed as to what is acceptable. With as many Mexicans dying (very bad pun but all to true) to come north the desire to be here is obvious. What is bad is that Mexico has vast resources and should be a much stronger country. If it had not been for decades (centuries?) of corrupt government they probably would be. "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
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What about the US people who hire these illegal immigrants and exploit their misery? [EDIT] I wrote "US people" because the example was about the mexican immigration. We have there the same problems, the same rethorics, and the same bastards exploiting the distress of these illegal immigrants. My point is that immigrants make easy victims, when IMO the most disgusting are the ones who use them. So it's not about anti-americanism, but "anti-exploitation"ism. Illegals are easy scapegoats, also often subjects to racism and xenophobia. I rather consider them as victims. [/EDIT]
Show me a hero, and I'll show you a bum - Greg "Pappy" Boyington
KaЯl wrote: What about the US people who hire these illegal immigrants and exploit their misery? They should be prosecuted. Mike
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Illegal Mexicans? I thought the post was going to be about the Southernization of America. Big trucks with #3 stickers (with wings!) and blaring moronic mainstream country music are coming to a neighborhood near you.
Don't forget the gun racks in the rear windows of the pick up trucks. Mike
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i took a quick rtip through the site and didn't see anything about the plan you speak of. i did see a lot of other stuff, of course. unfortunately, mexican immigrants do all the work americans don't want to do. here in NC, they do all the manual farm tasks like picking tobacco, fruit, cotton, etc., and probably a lot of the construction and landscaping work (Manuel Labor, a friend calls it). IMO, if preserving american's farms is desirable, i see three choices: cheap immigrant labor, more govt subsidies or force americans back into the fields at well below the minimum wage. #2 is no good. #3 is probably impossible. i notice that site has a lot of "this immigrant committed this crime!" stories. but, here in NC, i don't think i've heard more than one or two news stories involving immigrants in the 6 years i've been here. -c
Chris Losinger
Smaller Animals SoftwareChris Losinger wrote: i don't think i've heard more than one or two news stories involving immigrants in the 6 years i've been here. I've lived in Indiana since '89 and have seen quite a number of local stories, largely involving the movement of drugs. Never understood why someone would move drugs through the midwest using illegal aliens from South America. As to the movement to take back the Southwest and California (might be willing to cede them California) the link didn't have as much information as I had thought. I'll track down more, it is interesting. If you spend any time in the Southwest, Texas for sure, you'll see the effect. Mike
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Reference my past comments on the open nature of the American borders. For those who don't know or haven't heard there is an organized approach to the retaking (by Mexican nationals) of land that Mexico lost to the US years ago, the Southwest and California. This is a link to a site that monitors that activity and fights back. The site is full of links and references, whether you agree or disagree with the position it makes for interesting reading. I just came across this today and thought folks might like to argue about something other than Iraq, Bush, terrorism, etc. Ya, it is way out there but what the heck. http://www.americanpatrol.com/[^] Mike
They bring some good food with them. Isn't that good enough to make them citizens?
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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From an outsiders POV I'm really surprised the US doesn't have internal terrorism due to it's past expansion. The only reason I can think of is that the claiments are better off under the current system then under a modifiied one. My knowledge of the legal right that the US has to the western part of the country is hazy. I thought the greater northern part beloged to the Hudson company and the south belonged to an ceeded Mexican territory. Although the leaglaity might be in question, as always possesion is 90% of the law. Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
Save your work
**This link is to reboot your PCIt's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Most of the area west of the Mississippi was acquired via the Lousiana Purchase from France. The Southwest and California were acquired as a result of the Mexican War. Arguments could be made about how "legal" any of that would be in a modern world court, but it is certainly a moot point now. As far as terrorism goes - why would any minority group wish to commit acts of terrorism when our government is falling all over itself to give them everything they want?
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KaЯl wrote: What about the US people who hire these illegal immigrants and exploit their misery? They should be prosecuted. Mike
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Most of the area west of the Mississippi was acquired via the Lousiana Purchase from France. The Southwest and California were acquired as a result of the Mexican War. Arguments could be made about how "legal" any of that would be in a modern world court, but it is certainly a moot point now. As far as terrorism goes - why would any minority group wish to commit acts of terrorism when our government is falling all over itself to give them everything they want?
I guess we get to keep the Gadsen Purchase.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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What about the US people who hire these illegal immigrants and exploit their misery? [EDIT] I wrote "US people" because the example was about the mexican immigration. We have there the same problems, the same rethorics, and the same bastards exploiting the distress of these illegal immigrants. My point is that immigrants make easy victims, when IMO the most disgusting are the ones who use them. So it's not about anti-americanism, but "anti-exploitation"ism. Illegals are easy scapegoats, also often subjects to racism and xenophobia. I rather consider them as victims. [/EDIT]
Show me a hero, and I'll show you a bum - Greg "Pappy" Boyington
KaЯl wrote: What about the US people who hire these illegal immigrants... Hang 'em. KaЯl wrote: and exploit their misery Exploit is the key word - many of these people are treated like slaves, worse than anyone I know would treat an animal. The employers who hire them are criminals of the lowest sort, trading in human misery, and should be treated with the utmost contempt.
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For my information, are they? :confused:
Show me a hero, and I'll show you a bum - Greg "Pappy" Boyington
Only in rare cases. I don't remember anything in the recent news. Mexican nationals (as in illegals) are hired for a lot of the more menial jobs: delivery, yard work, hard manual labor, harvesting, etc. Read this as: jobs others don't necessarily want. I remember one situation maybe 30 years ago when I lived in Texas. A Mexican restraunt ( Joe T's in Fort Worth ) got into a lot of trouble because their staff was (nearly) all illegals and the owner had built a barracks behind the business to house the workers. He paid them poorly and treated them worse. An interesting situation is that while you can surmise a negative on my part, by and large these folks make great additions to our country. They are (and I hate to generalize but I need to for the sake of this discussion) a strong family oriented group of people with a good set of values. The problem (as I see it) comes from the fact that they are illegal, are a part of an "underground" economy (send untaxed earnings back home)and wind up being a large draw on heath costs (anyone who goes to an emergency room must be treated in the USA whether or not they can pay for the service) and on education costs. Of course the other problem is the objective of taking back the Southwest and California. Mike
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I'm all in favor of blocking every attempt at legalizing illegal Mexican immigrants; thanks for the link. The ones that legally enter the country I welcome with open arms, but the vast majority here in the Southwest are wetbacks travelling on false documents or entirely sub rosa, and are such low life scum they deserve to be taken out with the trash. I appreciate the fact that life is hard in Mexico, but I think their efforts are better spent in trying to build their own very rich country into the fine nation it could become.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."Roger Wright wrote: but the vast majority here in the Southwest are wetbacks travelling on false documents or entirely sub rosa, and are such low life scum they deserve to be taken out with the trash. Illegal immigration has always been a problem in America, just ask any indian. P.S. Forgot who said that
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Roger Wright wrote: but the vast majority here in the Southwest are wetbacks travelling on false documents or entirely sub rosa, and are such low life scum they deserve to be taken out with the trash. Illegal immigration has always been a problem in America, just ask any indian. P.S. Forgot who said that
:laugh::laugh::laugh: So true!! But we stole it fair and square - no sneaking around the bushes.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."