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  • R raddevus

    I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

    Andy Hertzfeld:

    I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

    That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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    Forogar
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    Both these designs suck big time, especially the Mac, but it only has a slight edge in ugliness over the Windows 10 one! The Windows XP calculator is way better than either of them (or even the Windows 7 one).

    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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    • R raddevus

      I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

      Andy Hertzfeld:

      I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

      That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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      Rick York
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      I think this applies to everything about the W10 GUI. It is horrible. If I wanted to use a table I that's what I would do. I think they should go back to the W7 UI or even XP. At least have those options as themes we could select. Everything is parameterized enough that they should be able to provide that capability.

      "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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      • F Forogar

        Both these designs suck big time, especially the Mac, but it only has a slight edge in ugliness over the Windows 10 one! The Windows XP calculator is way better than either of them (or even the Windows 7 one).

        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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        raddevus
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        Forogar wrote:

        Windows XP calculator is way better

        I do not wonder which OS was your first. :rolleyes: The original Mac team was literally bound by the hardware of the day and came out with that. It's just odd that we now have advanced H/W and we get the design we see on win10.

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        • R Rick York

          I think this applies to everything about the W10 GUI. It is horrible. If I wanted to use a table I that's what I would do. I think they should go back to the W7 UI or even XP. At least have those options as themes we could select. Everything is parameterized enough that they should be able to provide that capability.

          "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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          raddevus
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          Rick York wrote:

          I think they should go back to the W7 UI or even XP

          Agreed. And, they could easily switch the flatness on if they determine the OS is running on a pad/phone h/w anyways.

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          • R raddevus

            I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

            Andy Hertzfeld:

            I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

            That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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            Joe Woodbury
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            To each his own; I like the Win10 calculator.

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            • J Joe Woodbury

              To each his own; I like the Win10 calculator.

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              raddevus
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              Joe Woodbury wrote:

              To each his own; I like the Win10 calculator.

              No. Not allowed. :laugh: Interesting, really. Maybe more people feel that way than I would expect?

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                Both these designs suck big time, especially the Mac, but it only has a slight edge in ugliness over the Windows 10 one! The Windows XP calculator is way better than either of them (or even the Windows 7 one).

                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                Roland M Smith
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                Old Windows 7 Calculator for Windows 10[^]

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                • R raddevus

                  Forogar wrote:

                  Windows XP calculator is way better

                  I do not wonder which OS was your first. :rolleyes: The original Mac team was literally bound by the hardware of the day and came out with that. It's just odd that we now have advanced H/W and we get the design we see on win10.

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                  Forogar
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                  Quote:

                  I do not wonder which OS was your first.

                  My first few OSes were mainframes.

                  - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                  • F Forogar

                    Quote:

                    I do not wonder which OS was your first.

                    My first few OSes were mainframes.

                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                    raddevus
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                    Forogar wrote:

                    My first few OSes were mainframes.

                    :) I was just joking. And, I agree with you, the XP Calculator is really the best looking one.:thumbsup:

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                    • R raddevus

                      Forogar wrote:

                      My first few OSes were mainframes.

                      :) I was just joking. And, I agree with you, the XP Calculator is really the best looking one.:thumbsup:

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                      Forogar
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                      This has inspired me. My company policy does not allow me to install any third party software not passed by the security group - a process that takes months. However, since I am allowed to run self-written programs, I going to write my own WinForm version with all the functions I want on it, none that I don't, and styled the way I want it! :cool:

                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                        This has inspired me. My company policy does not allow me to install any third party software not passed by the security group - a process that takes months. However, since I am allowed to run self-written programs, I going to write my own WinForm version with all the functions I want on it, none that I don't, and styled the way I want it! :cool:

                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                        raddevus
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                        Forogar wrote:

                        going to write my own WinForm version with all the functions I want on it, none that I don't, and styled the way I want it!

                        :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: If you want something done right... :-D

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                        • F Forogar

                          This has inspired me. My company policy does not allow me to install any third party software not passed by the security group - a process that takes months. However, since I am allowed to run self-written programs, I going to write my own WinForm version with all the functions I want on it, none that I don't, and styled the way I want it! :cool:

                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                          ZurdoDev
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                          Forogar wrote:

                          I going to write my own WinForm version with all the functions I want on it, none that I don't, and styled the way I want it!

                          And that right there is the reason Microsoft rules the Software world. They made it easier than ever to "fix" your frustrations by allowing you to write something better. If Apple had not been so locked down, they might have overcome Microsoft.

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                          • J Joe Woodbury

                            To each his own; I like the Win10 calculator.

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                            Gaston Verelst
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                            I agree, I like the Win 10 version more :)

                            Check out my blog at http://msdev.pro/

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                            • R Rick York

                              I think this applies to everything about the W10 GUI. It is horrible. If I wanted to use a table I that's what I would do. I think they should go back to the W7 UI or even XP. At least have those options as themes we could select. Everything is parameterized enough that they should be able to provide that capability.

                              "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                              the Kris
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                              Well, I use "Microsoft Calculator Plus", and am happy with that one. The built-in win10 one is shit.

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                                Forogar wrote:

                                I going to write my own WinForm version with all the functions I want on it, none that I don't, and styled the way I want it!

                                And that right there is the reason Microsoft rules the Software world. They made it easier than ever to "fix" your frustrations by allowing you to write something better. If Apple had not been so locked down, they might have overcome Microsoft.

                                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                grralph1
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                                :thumbsup: I like your attitude.

                                "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

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                                  This has inspired me. My company policy does not allow me to install any third party software not passed by the security group - a process that takes months. However, since I am allowed to run self-written programs, I going to write my own WinForm version with all the functions I want on it, none that I don't, and styled the way I want it! :cool:

                                  - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                  grralph1
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                                  Go for it. Did one ages ago due to lack of bits when converting to Bin from Hex or Dec. Later calculators supported larger numbers. Wasn't that arduous and didn't take up too much time from memory. Then again my memory isn't like it used to be. But the best thing with using your own calculator is if you require a new function, you can just add it. Perfect.

                                  "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

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                                  • R raddevus

                                    I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

                                    Andy Hertzfeld:

                                    I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

                                    That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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                                    kalberts
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                                    So many people who proclaim "ugly", "horrible", ... But not a single word to describe what it is that makes it ugly or horrible. If those ugly, horrible designs where to be stepwise modified into a good-looking design, I'd be very curious to see the justitification for each modification step. Not just that "it looks nicer if you do it so-and-so", but why doing so-and-so is nicer. "That is just sooooo 2018!" is of no real help to make good-looking designs for 2020. The reason people made it that way for 2018 is that they honestly thought it was a good-looking design. And they were not wrong: In 2018 it was a good design.

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                                    • R raddevus

                                      I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

                                      Andy Hertzfeld:

                                      I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

                                      That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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                                      Richard Deeming
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                                      If you don't like the Windows 10 calculator, feel free to help improve it! :-D GitHub - Microsoft/calculator: Windows Calculator: A simple yet powerful calculator that ships with Windows[^]


                                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                                      • R raddevus

                                        I am reading Andy Hertzfeld[^]'s fantastically interesting site (http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Desk_Ornaments.txt&sortOrder=Sort+by+Date[^]) and I come across this sentence...

                                        Andy Hertzfeld:

                                        I wrote a simple clock, and got the calculator going, modeled after Steve Jobs' design from the calculator construction set.

                                        That leads me to search for : steve jobs calculator construction set And that leads me to this article: Steve Jobs Designed The First Macintosh Calculator - Business Insider[^] There is a picture of the original Mac Calculator. I took a snapshot for you : https://i.stack.imgur.com/3fmWs.png[^] Compare that to the Win10 calculator: https://i.stack.imgur.com/BnYlb.png[^] It's interesting to see the similarities and differences since they were designed so many years apart. I think I like the old design because it reminds me of old 8-bit games.

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                                        Harrison Pratt
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                                        I hate the new design with that broad expanse of white space -- what on earth is wrong with having keys be clearly delimited visually?

                                        Quote:

                                        -- He had bought a large map representing the sea, Without the least vestige of land: And the crew were very much pleased when they found it to be A map they could all understand. -- Lewis Carroll

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                                        • K kalberts

                                          So many people who proclaim "ugly", "horrible", ... But not a single word to describe what it is that makes it ugly or horrible. If those ugly, horrible designs where to be stepwise modified into a good-looking design, I'd be very curious to see the justitification for each modification step. Not just that "it looks nicer if you do it so-and-so", but why doing so-and-so is nicer. "That is just sooooo 2018!" is of no real help to make good-looking designs for 2020. The reason people made it that way for 2018 is that they honestly thought it was a good-looking design. And they were not wrong: In 2018 it was a good design.

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                                          User 13224750
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                                          Easy UWP application. Speaking of horrible do any of you use the UWP versions of Solitaire or Spider Solitaire?

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