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    [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers)

    “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

    $9 an hour is a great rate, Qualcomm should outsource the development of 7G cellular technology. Just think of all the money that would save!

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      [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers)

      “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

      $9 an hour is a great rate, Qualcomm should outsource the development of 7G cellular technology. Just think of all the money that would save!

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      How come you only post articles from US sites that require subscription fees?

      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers)

        “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

        $9 an hour is a great rate, Qualcomm should outsource the development of 7G cellular technology. Just think of all the money that would save!

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        You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. That's accountants for you: have you ever noticed that the only department that is never outsourced is the accountancy dept?

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          How come you only post articles from US sites that require subscription fees?

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          Mark_Wallace wrote:

          How come you only post articles from US sites that require subscription fees?

          Mark, I do that to prevent you from reading them. We can't have you knowing all of the latest news. ;P Since you can't read those news articles I'll give you a link to this patent granted last week: [High frequency gravitational wave generator](https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/) so you can help me figure out if this is a real technology. I can't figure out why this patent was granted. Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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            Mark_Wallace wrote:

            How come you only post articles from US sites that require subscription fees?

            Mark, I do that to prevent you from reading them. We can't have you knowing all of the latest news. ;P Since you can't read those news articles I'll give you a link to this patent granted last week: [High frequency gravitational wave generator](https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/) so you can help me figure out if this is a real technology. I can't figure out why this patent was granted. Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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            Randor wrote:

            High frequency gravitational wave generator so you can help me figure out if this is a real technology.

            It certainly highlights the idea that patents should not be granted unless a working prototype is presented.

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              You pay peanuts, you get monkeys. That's accountants for you: have you ever noticed that the only department that is never outsourced is the accountancy dept?

              Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              OriginalGriff wrote:

              the only department that is never outsourced is the accountancy dept?

              ... Which would actually be the easiest and least risk department to outsource.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                OriginalGriff wrote:

                the only department that is never outsourced is the accountancy dept?

                ... Which would actually be the easiest and least risk department to outsource.

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                Mark_Wallace wrote:

                OriginalGriff wrote:

                the only department that is never outsourced is the accountancy dept?

                ... Which would actually be the easiest and least risk department to outsource.

                Not really! Since accounting departments are entrusted with so many trade secrets, it's the last department you want to outsource, although you might get away with limited outsourcing of some of its lower-level clerical work. Although I began my career as an accountant, I cringe whenever I see the accountants take over another big company, because the result is almost invariably that the focus shifts to reducing costs at the expense of almost everything else that matters. There is a sound reason that the Chief Financial Officer reports to the Chief Executive Officer. There are exceptions, of course, but it is reasonably safe to say that when an accountant becomes the CEO, the company is probably doomed.

                David A. Gray Delivering Solutions for the Ages, One Problem at a Time Interpreting the Fundamental Principle of Tabular Reporting

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                  [Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers)

                  “I was shocked that in a room full of a couple hundred mostly senior engineers we were being told that we weren’t needed,” said Rabin, who was laid off in 2015.

                  $9 an hour is a great rate, Qualcomm should outsource the development of 7G cellular technology. Just think of all the money that would save!

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                  In the oil industry, that is common. The people who invented and perfected the technology were laid off when the price dropped as little. Ironically, they were exactly the people needed to operate the industry through the hard times. Ironically, I did the same job for a former competitor who purchased oil fields from my former employer and Figured out how to operate them economically.

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                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                    the only department that is never outsourced is the accountancy dept?

                    ... Which would actually be the easiest and least risk department to outsource.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    Human Resources

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                      Human Resources

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                      You don't need to outsource HR; just get rid of it. That kind of role would be better embedded within the various teams of an organisation, rather than be a detached department that gets so many things wrong because it doesn't understand the different teams' needs.

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        Mark_Wallace wrote:

                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        the only department that is never outsourced is the accountancy dept?

                        ... Which would actually be the easiest and least risk department to outsource.

                        Not really! Since accounting departments are entrusted with so many trade secrets, it's the last department you want to outsource, although you might get away with limited outsourcing of some of its lower-level clerical work. Although I began my career as an accountant, I cringe whenever I see the accountants take over another big company, because the result is almost invariably that the focus shifts to reducing costs at the expense of almost everything else that matters. There is a sound reason that the Chief Financial Officer reports to the Chief Executive Officer. There are exceptions, of course, but it is reasonably safe to say that when an accountant becomes the CEO, the company is probably doomed.

                        David A. Gray Delivering Solutions for the Ages, One Problem at a Time Interpreting the Fundamental Principle of Tabular Reporting

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                        David A. Gray wrote:

                        Since accounting departments are entrusted with so many trade secrets, it's the last department you want to outsource

                        Sure, but there are accountancy guilds that vet and rightfully vouch for their members.

                        David A. Gray wrote:

                        it is reasonably safe to say that when an accountant becomes the CEO, the company is probably doomed

                        What on Earth are you saying? "Reasonably", my @rse!

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                          David A. Gray wrote:

                          Since accounting departments are entrusted with so many trade secrets, it's the last department you want to outsource

                          Sure, but there are accountancy guilds that vet and rightfully vouch for their members.

                          David A. Gray wrote:

                          it is reasonably safe to say that when an accountant becomes the CEO, the company is probably doomed

                          What on Earth are you saying? "Reasonably", my @rse!

                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                          Mark_Wallace wrote:

                          Sure, but there are accountancy guilds that vet and rightfully vouch for their members.

                          Such guilds exist for lawyers and medical doctors, too, but how much policing do you expect when the wolf is put in charge of the hen house?

                          Mark_Wallace wrote:

                          Reasonably", my @rse!

                          I take it that you agree in general. I used the term "reaonably" to compensate for the handful of exceptions to the rule.

                          David A. Gray Delivering Solutions for the Ages, One Problem at a Time Interpreting the Fundamental Principle of Tabular Reporting

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