Code Project Project (CPP) [UPDATED 5/31]
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Okay, I have to be careful I don't confuse myself here. :-) Any I hope we are on the same page. The eight states (or functions) are the output, by means of facial expressions and bodylanguage and grammar used. The 16 personalities, are used partially for determining which of the states the AI is in. What I'm thinking about is having a consistent characterisation, so even if the AI's responses aren't great, the AI presents itself well. Options for the AI would be how fast the states could change. Any being going from ANGRY (Introverted Feeling) to Jocular extraverted intuition in a flash of the hat is likely to arouse suspicion. IMHO: A good AI at emotional connections, would have the ability to use Neuro Liguistic Programming to detect the personality of who it was communicating with, thus it could then respond with a personality base similar to the user. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: IMHO: A good AI at emotional connections, would have the ability to use Neuro Liguistic Programming to detect the personality of who it was communicating with, thus it could then respond with a personality base similar to the user. When you speak of NLP, and so we are one the same page, do you mean this? http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html[^] if so NLP is more a form of Psychological therapy than anything else, and could be learned by my HAI:-D well, humans are learning machines. I am working on my HAI so that whatever it learns it will have the ability to do, just like real humans. For example, if my HAI has learned and formed it's own concept of "anger", then it will respond according to it's own personality preferences(simulated neurotransmitters that run the Self(MBTI)) according to the current situation and environment(like if a person was yelling at the HAI for some reason). :cool: Later,
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Colin Davies wrote: IMHO: A good AI at emotional connections, would have the ability to use Neuro Liguistic Programming to detect the personality of who it was communicating with, thus it could then respond with a personality base similar to the user. When you speak of NLP, and so we are one the same page, do you mean this? http://skepdic.com/neurolin.html[^] if so NLP is more a form of Psychological therapy than anything else, and could be learned by my HAI:-D well, humans are learning machines. I am working on my HAI so that whatever it learns it will have the ability to do, just like real humans. For example, if my HAI has learned and formed it's own concept of "anger", then it will respond according to it's own personality preferences(simulated neurotransmitters that run the Self(MBTI)) according to the current situation and environment(like if a person was yelling at the HAI for some reason). :cool: Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." -Albert Einstein (INTP)Joe, Skepdic.com as usually states some good clear truths. ----- IMHO: 98% of the NLP stuff about is garbage, and is as useful as aromatherapy and cannibalism to become smarter. However there in the early stages of the NLP philosophy there was a lot of sense made, but then it became a marketing scam. ----- IMHO again: Consider these cases A man is attracted to a female, so he breaks the ice. "Hi look I'm all alone here can I buy you a drink", Response a.) "Sure, I'll have a white wine." Response b.) "An orange juice would be loverly." Response d.) "I could sure down a Bud now." Okay now match up the man's next line setting. "You wouldn't know anywhere in this town that I can get a radiator fixed" "I see a new play is being shown the road at the theater ." "This is a real charming place isn't it." Easy huh, But not only is what the mans topic different but, also the language type and structure he uses changes as well. Consider the differnece in how you talk to a young child, and to your boss. Regardz Colin J Davies
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**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
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How about this: 1) We start with the most popular project, for example UGLY and call it Project A, assign it a project leader, and let people sign up. Probably 15-25 will sign up and we will have a stong group that can start working right away. 2) People who have not signed up at Project A can then vote on which shall be the next project, Project B, assign project leader, and let people sign up, and start working. 3) Then Project C etc. until everybody have found a project were they want to work in. This could be an ongoing process were new volunteers sign up and new projects are found for them. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
Here's the way Chris M. explained how it would probably work: A project will be alot like articles and anyone can create one. Once its created, the leader/creator can accept requests to join the team. Then the leader will assign jobs. So we could have any number of projects going at once.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Here's the way Chris M. explained how it would probably work: A project will be alot like articles and anyone can create one. Once its created, the leader/creator can accept requests to join the team. Then the leader will assign jobs. So we could have any number of projects going at once.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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So I guess we start tomorrow? I have tons of ideas for the top 2 projects.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiNot necessarily. Patience young grasshopper... We still have some things to talk about. Chris is definitely not going to be ready with CP changes by tomorrow, but perhaps we can work out a way to use the present article system until the project system is ready.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Not necessarily. Patience young grasshopper... We still have some things to talk about. Chris is definitely not going to be ready with CP changes by tomorrow, but perhaps we can work out a way to use the present article system until the project system is ready.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: Not necessarily. Patience young grasshopper... :laugh: I guess I did sound impatient, but what I meant was discussing how to go about the collaboration side of things. The sooner we take care of that, the better. For instance, how hard would it be to just make a new generic section for CP Projects, similar to, say, the C# article section?
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Here's the way Chris M. explained how it would probably work: A project will be alot like articles and anyone can create one. Once its created, the leader/creator can accept requests to join the team. Then the leader will assign jobs. So we could have any number of projects going at once.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
I still think that the original idea was that we all would do something together. Creating articles and having people "disappearing" there will make this like a mini SourceForge. But if we make this to a forum where we develop ideas and start up projects then we would have something special. I also think we could have a hierarchy with you on top and project leaders right under you. Then when we find that real "killer app" that we all want to do you can collect people together again. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Jason Henderson wrote: Not necessarily. Patience young grasshopper... :laugh: I guess I did sound impatient, but what I meant was discussing how to go about the collaboration side of things. The sooner we take care of that, the better. For instance, how hard would it be to just make a new generic section for CP Projects, similar to, say, the C# article section?
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiThe most important, I think, is now to start to make the volunteers feel like one big group. We should get the discussions going and propose Jason Henderson as CPP Administrator. What du you think? jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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I like the idea of a common GUI libray for Windows and .NET and that is huge project on its own. But, I also like to see more useful tools for ASP.NET. It is a real pain having to code a GUI multiple times! For me the Win32 platform by itself is pretty much dead. So this may not apply. But in my world I do a lot of ASP.NET and WinForms Applications. The pain is that I have to build completely different GUIs for both. How about a libary that can make this process easier and also add benifit to an application where even an end user could adjust their presentation layer if they want to post-production? Common GUI: Common Control Library - Have a set of controls that have the exact same interfaces for both Web or WinForm. Ths code inside the presentation layer would be the same for both. Controls would give the same appearence but maybe with a setting on a control to determine if a lighter weight version of the control should be used (less graphics and control if bound by bandwidth) but still remain transparently identical to the calling code. Along with the custom controls, there should be some form of data validation that works exactly the same for both web and WinForm. Maybe even have an option to use an IE base view for WinForm apps and build embedded ASP.NET apps. That could cut down the time involved and still make both look the same. It would be so cool if a person could build a Portal application that has all the functionality of something like .NETNuke or IBuySpy portal with forums, polls, etc. all based inside of an application using heavy graphics if desired. Think of just having a grid that can work the same for Web/WinForm! I know there is a differnce due to bandwidth and client browser levels but if the issues are examined carefully, there may be common ground that would allow them to act the same on both without much sacrifice on either. Layout Manager - Builds the WinForm window or web page based on XML configuration data either embedded or in a file. This file would contain all the settings for any of the controls on the window including position, skins, defaults, etc. An editor for this would have to be put together which could also be used post production on an application to change the appearance without changing any code (somewhat like a DialogResource started out to be). This XML file should allow allow for "includes" or something of that nature to provide decent visual inheritance. And while there, might touch on a custom data binding so that a person d
Rocky Moore wrote: Common Control Library - Have a set of controls that have the exact same interfaces for both Web or WinForm. Ths code inside the presentation layer would be the same for both. Controls would give the same appearence but maybe with a setting on a control to determine if a lighter weight version of the control should be used (less graphics and control if bound by bandwidth) but still remain transparently identical to the calling code. I have a couple articles on that: http://www.codeproject.com/cs/miscctrl/DynamicForms.asp[^] http://www.codeproject.com/cs/miscctrl/DynFormPartII.asp[^] Want to work with me on developing them further (after a redesign of the initial concept, I should think!) Rocky Moore wrote: Builds the WinForm window or web page based on XML configuration data either embedded or in a file. I'm almost finished with the next article in the AAL series that uses XML for GUI generation. The last one, http://www.codeproject.com/cs/menu/AAL-4.asp[^] uses XML to generate menus (I'll need to send you a better version of the source if you're interested in this). Rocky Moore wrote: the .NET internal buggy databinding Buggy how? I've dabbled with it a bit with the XML Data Editor I put together. Seemed fine, except what pisses me off is that you have to press the Tab key for it to recognize that a field changed in value. Probably can be fixed, but I didn't bother looking. Rocky Moore wrote: Oh yeah, I forgot, for those that have never done web work, it would allow them to build a WinForm app, make a few adjustments and have a web application running! Exactly. The worst thing though is the state stuff. Have to figure that part out. Anyways, want to work together on your idea? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Joe, Skepdic.com as usually states some good clear truths. ----- IMHO: 98% of the NLP stuff about is garbage, and is as useful as aromatherapy and cannibalism to become smarter. However there in the early stages of the NLP philosophy there was a lot of sense made, but then it became a marketing scam. ----- IMHO again: Consider these cases A man is attracted to a female, so he breaks the ice. "Hi look I'm all alone here can I buy you a drink", Response a.) "Sure, I'll have a white wine." Response b.) "An orange juice would be loverly." Response d.) "I could sure down a Bud now." Okay now match up the man's next line setting. "You wouldn't know anywhere in this town that I can get a radiator fixed" "I see a new play is being shown the road at the theater ." "This is a real charming place isn't it." Easy huh, But not only is what the mans topic different but, also the language type and structure he uses changes as well. Consider the differnece in how you talk to a young child, and to your boss. Regardz Colin J Davies
*** WARNING *
This could be addictive
**The minion's version of "Catch :bob: "It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox
Colin Davies wrote: Consider the differnece in how you talk to a young child, and to your boss. what you are talking about is context[^] and is developed in, my current opinion, is Intuition. See my representational graph of my current thinking[^]? :-D Later,
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A project management system. Phase tracking, bugs, document storage, client feedback area etc. Not a source control system, but a system for the management of a project that both managers/clients and the developers are happy with. We all bitch about management of projects, so lets do something about it for once.
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I'd be curious about a rough white paper / PPT presentation / "how PMS will change your world" speech. i.e. what you thing a PMS could do for the various stakeholders in a project. Share your ideas!
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I still think that the original idea was that we all would do something together. Creating articles and having people "disappearing" there will make this like a mini SourceForge. But if we make this to a forum where we develop ideas and start up projects then we would have something special. I also think we could have a hierarchy with you on top and project leaders right under you. Then when we find that real "killer app" that we all want to do you can collect people together again. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
jhaga wrote: I still think that the original idea was that we all would do something together. Creating articles and having people "disappearing" there will make this like a mini SourceForge People will inevitably "disappear," but to keep those disappearances at a minimum, we need results and good project leaders. So until the infrastructure for real CPPs is in place, we're going to have to work like a military unit with the project leader being the drill sergeant (a real harda$$, with the desire to keep thigs going). jhaga wrote: I also think we could have a hierarchy with you on top and project leaders right under you. Then when we find that real "killer app" that we all want to do you can collect people together again. I'm flattered, but I'm not sure I'd want the job. ;)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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The most important, I think, is now to start to make the volunteers feel like one big group. We should get the discussions going and propose Jason Henderson as CPP Administrator. What du you think? jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
That's exactly what I want. I was hoping that I could do an article on the GUI Library to get people excited about it, but if you have another idea, that's fine.
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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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That's exactly what I want. I was hoping that I could do an article on the GUI Library to get people excited about it, but if you have another idea, that's fine.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma GandhiI don't have any other idea. If you write the article then I support you , of course, If I like it. You can also have my C# book idea, because I will not develop it any more. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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jhaga wrote: I still think that the original idea was that we all would do something together. Creating articles and having people "disappearing" there will make this like a mini SourceForge People will inevitably "disappear," but to keep those disappearances at a minimum, we need results and good project leaders. So until the infrastructure for real CPPs is in place, we're going to have to work like a military unit with the project leader being the drill sergeant (a real harda$$, with the desire to keep thigs going). jhaga wrote: I also think we could have a hierarchy with you on top and project leaders right under you. Then when we find that real "killer app" that we all want to do you can collect people together again. I'm flattered, but I'm not sure I'd want the job. ;)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
CPP Administrator? But you practially are already :) And everything is running ok, and once we make this forum to a message board it will be easier to know what everybody thinks. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Navin wrote: I have now lost all respect for you. You shouldn't.. It's looks very very good :-D Regards, Brian Dela :-)
Brian Delahunty wrote: It's looks very very good :-O ta Brian.
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Rocky Moore wrote: Common Control Library - Have a set of controls that have the exact same interfaces for both Web or WinForm. Ths code inside the presentation layer would be the same for both. Controls would give the same appearence but maybe with a setting on a control to determine if a lighter weight version of the control should be used (less graphics and control if bound by bandwidth) but still remain transparently identical to the calling code. I have a couple articles on that: http://www.codeproject.com/cs/miscctrl/DynamicForms.asp[^] http://www.codeproject.com/cs/miscctrl/DynFormPartII.asp[^] Want to work with me on developing them further (after a redesign of the initial concept, I should think!) Rocky Moore wrote: Builds the WinForm window or web page based on XML configuration data either embedded or in a file. I'm almost finished with the next article in the AAL series that uses XML for GUI generation. The last one, http://www.codeproject.com/cs/menu/AAL-4.asp[^] uses XML to generate menus (I'll need to send you a better version of the source if you're interested in this). Rocky Moore wrote: the .NET internal buggy databinding Buggy how? I've dabbled with it a bit with the XML Data Editor I put together. Seemed fine, except what pisses me off is that you have to press the Tab key for it to recognize that a field changed in value. Probably can be fixed, but I didn't bother looking. Rocky Moore wrote: Oh yeah, I forgot, for those that have never done web work, it would allow them to build a WinForm app, make a few adjustments and have a web application running! Exactly. The worst thing though is the state stuff. Have to figure that part out. Anyways, want to work together on your idea? Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebratingMarc Clifton wrote: Buggy how? I've dabbled with it a bit with the XML Data Editor I put together. Seemed fine, except what pisses me off is that you have to press the Tab key for it to recognize that a field changed in value. Probably can be fixed, but I didn't bother looking. There are several things that cause problems. Once of them is when working with tab pages. Another once that is more of a hassle than a bug, when using multiple comboboxes with that may select key values and changing one changes the others. The one that bit me the most is the rebinding needed if you should use different datasets. You can to clear and merge your sets to maintain the binding. There were others but those are the ones still fresh in the old memory ;) Marc Clifton wrote: I have a couple articles on that: .... Want to work with me on developing them further (after a redesign of the initial concept, I should think!) I missed those. Now I have more reading to do ;) Browsing over them though, it appears we are in the same ballpark. I did not see how you use the controls yet (still have to look through them). I would think it would be easier to use custom built controls that all share the same common interfaces regardless of web or WinForm. Yeah know, kind of like splitting the presentation layer away from the core of the control and have it implement the actual IO dependant on platform. There may not be enough in common though to justify it. As an example, if you have to add a custom column to a grid control, your code for the display has to be completely different. It may be hard, but imagine if the code you wrote for a window was actually the same code as you would write for the web page (at least the code behind). Same events, same contols interfaces, same databinding. It really just pushes the "presentation layer" down lower into the controls themselves. I may be way out there though, I have not spent enough time examining what is actually possible. Marc Clifton wrote: Exactly. The worst thing though is the state stuff. Have to figure that part out. Anyways, want to work together on your idea? State is a problem in many ways ;) Actually, it doesn't sound like just my idea, seems the goal is in both camps ;) Would be interesting! Rocky Moore <><