Hillary Rodham Clinton not running...
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Chris Losinger wrote: he is, though, the most conservative president i've ever seen. :confused: What is your scale in making this statement. I would consider Reagan definitly more conservative. "For as long as I can remember, I have had memories. Colin Mochrie."
i'm 32, so my experience includes Reagan and Bush I. i don't remember Nixon or much of Ford (except that Chevy Chase played him in the first few seasons of SNL). it's just an opinion, of course - i don't know if there's a Metric Standard of Conformity to Conservative Ideaology (aka, the MSCCI). -c To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.
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David Stone wrote: and that doesn't look all that great when the sole reason we went in there was because of them. don't forget about that. David Stone wrote: However, do you really think it's the President's job to straighten out the economy? i think, if he is going to put the country in debt under the guise that he's helping the economy by providing "job stimulus", then he is giving the impression that it's his job. and, if his tax cuts work (or if the economy just recovers regardless) do you doubt that he'll take credit for it? on the other hand, if things don't improve, do you think he'll take credit for that too? but, yes, i do think it's his job. i realize he doesn't have a big bag of tricks, but he does have some like tax rates, works programs (the military being the biggest one we have) and using the DOJ to go after scandals like Enron in a way that boosts investor confidence instead of just bumbling along. -c To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.
Chris Losinger wrote: don't forget about that It doesn't make any difference if I do...I still won't be able to vote next election. Man, one felony conviction and you're branded for life... ;) Chris Losinger wrote: but, yes, i do think it's his job. i realize he doesn't have a big bag of tricks, but he does have some like tax rates, works programs (the military being the biggest one we have) and using the DOJ to go after scandals like Enron in a way that boosts investor confidence instead of just bumbling along. Ah! Well said Chris. I hadn't even thought of most of that. It's amazing...but I think I'm starting to agree with you on some of this stuff... :omg:
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
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David Stone wrote: I mean theoretically according to the last election, most of the nation leans left. How do you get that out of the last mid-term election?
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: How do you get that out of the last mid-term election? Busted! I meant the last Presidential election. But yeah...during the mid-term election, the Republicans did gain back the majority.
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
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i'm 32, so my experience includes Reagan and Bush I. i don't remember Nixon or much of Ford (except that Chevy Chase played him in the first few seasons of SNL). it's just an opinion, of course - i don't know if there's a Metric Standard of Conformity to Conservative Ideaology (aka, the MSCCI). -c To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.
Chris Losinger wrote: i don't know if there's a Metric Standard of Conformity to Conservative Ideaology (aka, the MSCCI). We should develop one! Ford was sort of a Republican answer to Carter - just as ineffective, but doing less damage. He was a serious disappointment to me, as he was the only President in my lifetime who didn't have to make any campaign promises. To my thinking, that should have made him free enough of committments and secret agendas to really make a mark. He didn't - just sat there like a lump, smiling nice for the cameras, and entertaining us all with his futile attempts to chew gum and exit airplanes gracefully. Nixon was one of the strongest leaders we've ever had, and I think history will be kind to his memory. I am personally thankful to him for ending the Vietnam fiasco shortly after I became eligible for the draft.:-D But he also was the one in the hotseat when America lost its virginity. During his administration we discovered that the government does, indeed, lie to us; that there are unscrupulous people who really do want to harm us running things. He used his power to rule in the fashion of any despot, and even though we know that he wasn't the first, he was the one that got caught and our noses were rubbed in the fact. The pollyanna complacence of Americans was shattered then, and we've never recovered the innocence that our parents knew in their youth. A generation of disillusioned, cynical, and apathetic people was the result, and it will be a long time before the effects damp out of our society.
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Chris Losinger wrote: he prefers that gun control be handled at the state level; Which is interesting because Vermont has some of the least strict gun control laws in the nation...right up there with Texas. Chris Losinger wrote: he's fiscally conservative, but socially liberal Socially liberal means he likes things like welfare, medicare, social security, saving the environment, etc. These programs all require money, hence, he has to spend more... At a basic level it seems like a paradox. (Don't worry, I understand that you can be socially liberal and fiscally conservative...I'm just pointing out something I thought was kind of funny. :-D) Do you think any of them will win against Bush though? I mean theoretically according to the last election, most of the nation leans left. However, do you think that Bush has done a good enough job as President to secure the next election? I mean, his approval rate (last time I heard) was really good. I'm just looking to get a perspective from the other side.
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
David Stone wrote: Which is interesting because Vermont has some of the least strict gun control laws in the nation Yes it does, along with one of the lowest violent crimes rates in the world. He feels that states do a better job of managing such issues, and I quite agree. Nothing the federal gov't has done has had any impact on crime, other than to raise the cost of fighting it, and to make it much more difficult for citizens to defend themselves. I definitely will be watching this candidate.
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Chris Losinger wrote: i don't know if there's a Metric Standard of Conformity to Conservative Ideaology (aka, the MSCCI). We should develop one! Ford was sort of a Republican answer to Carter - just as ineffective, but doing less damage. He was a serious disappointment to me, as he was the only President in my lifetime who didn't have to make any campaign promises. To my thinking, that should have made him free enough of committments and secret agendas to really make a mark. He didn't - just sat there like a lump, smiling nice for the cameras, and entertaining us all with his futile attempts to chew gum and exit airplanes gracefully. Nixon was one of the strongest leaders we've ever had, and I think history will be kind to his memory. I am personally thankful to him for ending the Vietnam fiasco shortly after I became eligible for the draft.:-D But he also was the one in the hotseat when America lost its virginity. During his administration we discovered that the government does, indeed, lie to us; that there are unscrupulous people who really do want to harm us running things. He used his power to rule in the fashion of any despot, and even though we know that he wasn't the first, he was the one that got caught and our noses were rubbed in the fact. The pollyanna complacence of Americans was shattered then, and we've never recovered the innocence that our parents knew in their youth. A generation of disillusioned, cynical, and apathetic people was the result, and it will be a long time before the effects damp out of our society.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."Roger Wright wrote: I am personally thankful to him for ending the Vietnam fiasco shortly after I became eligible for the draft. If he had done it a year earlier I would never have had to join the Navy.:mad:
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JoeSox wrote: We must provide every American access to quality, affordable health care. JoeSox wrote: We must cooperate with the community of nations in pursuing our foreign policy objectives JoeSox wrote: must protect our environment to preserve a natural heritage for our children's children to enjoy Sounds like a left wing extremist to me.
Stan Shannon wrote: must protect our environment to preserve a natural heritage for our children's children to enjoy How is this left wing extremist? How's it even left wing!? It's common sense. Don't you want your descendants to enjoy the richness of the american nature as you perhaps once did? -- I'm the figure head on a ship of fools
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Hillary is too smart to run in 2004. Her target date is 2008. Unless the economy tanks completely, or there is another 9/11, GWB pretty much has the 2004 election in the bag. Anyone going up against him is just going to be a foot note in history.
bitwiser wrote: GWB pretty much has the 2004 election in the bag GWB is seen as a good thing by Americans? Wow.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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Chris Losinger wrote: don't forget about that It doesn't make any difference if I do...I still won't be able to vote next election. Man, one felony conviction and you're branded for life... ;) Chris Losinger wrote: but, yes, i do think it's his job. i realize he doesn't have a big bag of tricks, but he does have some like tax rates, works programs (the military being the biggest one we have) and using the DOJ to go after scandals like Enron in a way that boosts investor confidence instead of just bumbling along. Ah! Well said Chris. I hadn't even thought of most of that. It's amazing...but I think I'm starting to agree with you on some of this stuff... :omg:
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
David Stone wrote: I think I'm starting to agree with you on some of this stuff... Good God David!!! Run!! Run fast!! Run hard!!! Don't look back!! Run until you think your chest will explode!! ;P ;P ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:
We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special.
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JoeSox wrote: And we must protect our environment to preserve a natural heritage for our children's children to enjoy. To paraphrase Jack Handey: I'm all about preserving a natural heritage for our children to enjoy, but not our children's children, because i don't think kids should be having sex.
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I'd show a smile but I'm too weak I'd share with you, could I only speak
Jack Handey 2004! Go Jack! ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
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bitwiser wrote: GWB pretty much has the 2004 election in the bag GWB is seen as a good thing by Americans? Wow.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
GWB is seen as a good thing by Americans? No fucking way! ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
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Stan Shannon wrote: must protect our environment to preserve a natural heritage for our children's children to enjoy How is this left wing extremist? How's it even left wing!? It's common sense. Don't you want your descendants to enjoy the richness of the american nature as you perhaps once did? -- I'm the figure head on a ship of fools
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: How is this left wing extremist? How's it even left wing!? It's common sense. Don't you want your descendants to enjoy the richness of the american nature as you perhaps once did? Of course I believe that the environment should be protected to the greatest practical extent. Who doesn't? However, that does not mean that I wish to allow unfounded fears concerning the environment to be used as yet another excuse to centralize ever greater power and control over my life, and the lives of my children, into the hands of a political elite. The environment is just another excuse the extreme left uses to rationalize its march towards totalitarian control over human existence. When push comes to shove, I would rather my children live in a sewage pit and be free of government, than to live in the Garden of Eden and have every facit of their mortal existence controlled by goverment. The environment may be important, but it is not as important as human freedom. The source of our freedom is capitalism and free market enterprise, and that is pricisely what the left with its "environmental movement" is ultimately out to destroy.
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"When Democratic voters are asked which politician they want as president, one name consistently appears at the top--Hillary Rodham Clinton. But the New York senator couldn't make it any clearer that she isn't running for the White House. At least not in 2004..." http://www.statesman.com/aponline/content/news/ap/ap_story.html/Washington/AP.V8300.AP-Hillarys-Clout.html[^] this leaves one question in my mind. Who are the leading Democratic candidates to run against GWB?:~ Later,
JoeSox
www.humanaiproject.org "Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean(ISTP)I hope she does become president, get away from the grey suits who seem to be not much more than puppets (both parties this time round from what I saw !) The tigress is here :-D
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David Stone wrote: and that doesn't look all that great when the sole reason we went in there was because of them. don't forget about that. David Stone wrote: However, do you really think it's the President's job to straighten out the economy? i think, if he is going to put the country in debt under the guise that he's helping the economy by providing "job stimulus", then he is giving the impression that it's his job. and, if his tax cuts work (or if the economy just recovers regardless) do you doubt that he'll take credit for it? on the other hand, if things don't improve, do you think he'll take credit for that too? but, yes, i do think it's his job. i realize he doesn't have a big bag of tricks, but he does have some like tax rates, works programs (the military being the biggest one we have) and using the DOJ to go after scandals like Enron in a way that boosts investor confidence instead of just bumbling along. -c To vote with no response is to follow the way of the coward.
Chris, I didn't want to leave you with the impression that I've had a felony conviction. I'm 16, and I'm gonna miss the next election by a month...so that's why I won't be able to vote. I just wanted to clarify that point, that way you didn't think I was some teenage axe murderer or something like that... :~
Hawaian shirts and shorts work too in Summer. People assume you're either a complete nut (in which case not a worthy target) or so damn good you don't need to worry about camouflage... -Anna-Jayne Metcalfe on Paintballing
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bitwiser wrote: GWB pretty much has the 2004 election in the bag GWB is seen as a good thing by Americans? Wow.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
... at least at this point I don't see anyone on the horizon I feel more comfortable with at the helm, of any party. Well, I might consider Arnold Schwarzenegger, 'cause he looks cool with a stogie. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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Jack Handey 2004! Go Jack! ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
Jim Crafton wrote: Go Jack! Hey, man. Mind your own business! BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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I hope she does become president, get away from the grey suits who seem to be not much more than puppets (both parties this time round from what I saw !) The tigress is here :-D
She was president for 8 years already, wasn't she? ;) BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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... at least at this point I don't see anyone on the horizon I feel more comfortable with at the helm, of any party. Well, I might consider Arnold Schwarzenegger, 'cause he looks cool with a stogie. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
brianwelsch wrote: at least at this point I don't see anyone on the horizon I feel more comfortable with at the helm, of any party You have to ask yourself how good is a system where you are literally picking the best of a bad bunch. One would think you would want a great man leading your country, not a not-as-bad-as-the-others man. One would think the presidency of the United States of America would attract some of these great men. There are great men out there, are they just too smart to want to be trapped in the presidential office? And I can tell you with confidence that the rest of the world also would prefer if the worlds super power had a great man at it's helm, not just Voted Least Likely To Launch A Nuclear Death Storm. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
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brianwelsch wrote: at least at this point I don't see anyone on the horizon I feel more comfortable with at the helm, of any party You have to ask yourself how good is a system where you are literally picking the best of a bad bunch. One would think you would want a great man leading your country, not a not-as-bad-as-the-others man. One would think the presidency of the United States of America would attract some of these great men. There are great men out there, are they just too smart to want to be trapped in the presidential office? And I can tell you with confidence that the rest of the world also would prefer if the worlds super power had a great man at it's helm, not just Voted Least Likely To Launch A Nuclear Death Storm. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
I still need to read more about it, but my belief is there is a strong group of behind the scenes types (Rumsfeld, etc) who keep Washington running outside of electors hands. It sounds like conspiracy theory stuff, but its not that far fetched at some level. With this it becomes less important who is driving, and more important who is in the pit crew. It's possible though to get someone strong enough to make positive changes internally, but whoever that is has to be nominated by the party in order to run. While it's possible to do that in some third party more easily, the chance of being elected under a third party ticket is slim. BW "I always wanted to be somebody, but now I realize I should have been more specific." - Lily Tomlin
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brianwelsch wrote: at least at this point I don't see anyone on the horizon I feel more comfortable with at the helm, of any party You have to ask yourself how good is a system where you are literally picking the best of a bad bunch. One would think you would want a great man leading your country, not a not-as-bad-as-the-others man. One would think the presidency of the United States of America would attract some of these great men. There are great men out there, are they just too smart to want to be trapped in the presidential office? And I can tell you with confidence that the rest of the world also would prefer if the worlds super power had a great man at it's helm, not just Voted Least Likely To Launch A Nuclear Death Storm. :)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaChris Losinger wrote: i hate needles so much i can't even imagine allowing one near The Little Programmer
I believe it was Franklin who pointed out that only the "...greedy and avaricious..." would seek power. Those who want the job should definitely not be allowed to do it. The President should be selected by a draft from among those qualified my life experience to have a basic understanding of the principles of government - managing a successful taco stand would be sufficient, though lawyers would be excluded for conflict of interest. Every 4 years we'd hold an election to determine whether the President has done a good enough job to be allowed time off for good behavior. If he's done a stellar job, we'd let him retire and select a new leader. There are worse methods of selecting leaders in the world, and most of them are in current use.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."