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Microsoft: We're creating a new Rust-based programming language for secure coding

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    Kent Sharkey
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    ZDNet[^]:

    Microsoft's Project Verona involves creating a new language for "safe infrastructure programming" to be open-sourced soon.

    If only there was an existing language with Rust-like syntax, and Rust-like safety

    *Kind* of a dupe from the Rust article yesterday, but with a different focus, and new information for people that didn't watch the presentation

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      ZDNet[^]:

      Microsoft's Project Verona involves creating a new language for "safe infrastructure programming" to be open-sourced soon.

      If only there was an existing language with Rust-like syntax, and Rust-like safety

      *Kind* of a dupe from the Rust article yesterday, but with a different focus, and new information for people that didn't watch the presentation

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      Roland M Smith
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      Are they calling it Rust# ?

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        Are they calling it Rust# ?

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        David ONeil
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        No. RustBucket. Where you dump all your *best* ideas.

        The forgotten roots of science | C++ Programming | DWinLib

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          Are they calling it Rust# ?

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          Rusty. The first programming language which oxidizes.

          "Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke! Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."

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            Are they calling it Rust# ?

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            R#? Oh wait...

            No more Mister Nice Guy... >: |

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              ZDNet[^]:

              Microsoft's Project Verona involves creating a new language for "safe infrastructure programming" to be open-sourced soon.

              If only there was an existing language with Rust-like syntax, and Rust-like safety

              *Kind* of a dupe from the Rust article yesterday, but with a different focus, and new information for people that didn't watch the presentation

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              Speaking as someone who sees great potential in Rust, this is extremely disappointing. Rather than create a new language, they should support the existing work and help it be a better choice for targetting Windows. You would think they would learn some lessons from their efforts C++/CLI, Managed C++, etc. Edit: Actually, it's not as bad as that - iit's ZDNet's fault for describing it as Rust-based. It isn't, it is just addressing similar areas and its a Microsoft Research project, which means it is being used for Research and isn't guaranteed any release.

              "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                Speaking as someone who sees great potential in Rust, this is extremely disappointing. Rather than create a new language, they should support the existing work and help it be a better choice for targetting Windows. You would think they would learn some lessons from their efforts C++/CLI, Managed C++, etc. Edit: Actually, it's not as bad as that - iit's ZDNet's fault for describing it as Rust-based. It isn't, it is just addressing similar areas and its a Microsoft Research project, which means it is being used for Research and isn't guaranteed any release.

                "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                Exactly, especially as Rust is MIT-licensed (one of the more open open-source licenses)

                TTFN - Kent

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                  Exactly, especially as Rust is MIT-licensed (one of the more open open-source licenses)

                  TTFN - Kent

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                  See the edit to the original comment - ZDNet's fault for misdescribing the project. There was initially a fair bit of criticism on r/rust thanks to this, but the researcher himself corrected the misapprehension. I'm glad to hear this because, as I said, you would think they would have learned their lesson from C++ variations. This is a research language, and is influenced by Rust among other languages. That's absolutely fair.

                  "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                    ZDNet[^]:

                    Microsoft's Project Verona involves creating a new language for "safe infrastructure programming" to be open-sourced soon.

                    If only there was an existing language with Rust-like syntax, and Rust-like safety

                    *Kind* of a dupe from the Rust article yesterday, but with a different focus, and new information for people that didn't watch the presentation

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                    I imagine the final name for the product will be something that, as well as being in line with the "Rust" branding, also aligns with MS' general trend, over the past 13 years. "Decay" sounds pretty appropriate.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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