CP2 Project Leaders
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Sorry for the confusion, but I think that's how I have it outlined, or at least how I envisioned it. I'd like you to write up an abstract using a template file I'd like to send you, summarizing your own ideas of the project. Once that is finished, send it back to me for posting approval on this forum. (I know I'm the forum posting Nazi, but somebody has maintain control. :-O) You will then get suggestions for improvement, etc. but you're the leader and don't have to use any of them. After taking comments for a day or so, we'll start the project article series and begin building teams. After that, will be the design phase where you write up design docs.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: forum posting Nazi Yes, I see more and more of this nazi tendency... :) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!
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Jason Henderson wrote: CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... I don't think so... The reason I think too many messages posted in span of 3 or 4 days. It makes difficult to read those many messages and sometimes CP hiccups. People like me who spend 1 hour or 2 hours a day on CP, it's very difficult to read all the messages and reply back to them. My suggestions: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members?_
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This signature was created by "Code Project Quoter".Kant wrote: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members? Which were both parts of the unselected Code Project Tools project... John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
Kant wrote: 1. What we need is a CP Wiki board exclusive for Collaboration board? (with no advertisements and Expanded view) or 2. Daily Digest of all the messages posted in the Collaboration board mailed to participating members? Which were both parts of the unselected Code Project Tools project... John
"We want to be alone when we hear too many words and we feel alone when it has been a while since anyone has spoken to us." Paul David Tripp -- War of Words -
OK, the following is all pretty much in fun, and I hope you'll take it that way! jdunlap wrote: the stubble out of the gold That's a new one! I've heard "diamond in the rough" and "wheat from chaff", but this sounds like I should be saving the stuff that falls into the sink from shaving! jdunlap wrote: For one thing, stick to the standard MS coding guidelines Do WHAT? Conform??? And to Microsoft!?!?! I didn't get all those votes for conformity, you know! Care to point me to a link? I haven't a clue what the MS coding guidelines are (and maybe I don't want to know!) jdunlap wrote: if something is not going to cause chaos, it can be flexible, but if it will cause chaos, a standard must be agreed upon Oh, I certainly agree. Experience has taught me though that chaos exists on both sides of the path--an inflexible design causes as much chaos as a too-flexible one. jdunlap wrote: For instance, variable name conventions are important, but it's not such a big deal whether people use C-style or C++ -style braces. Huh! I personally have less interest in variable name conventions and more interest in a common brace style. I LOATH this:
for (int i=0; i<10; i++) {
blah blah blah
}Quick. Where's the nearest freeware code formatter? :););P:-D:omg::rolleyes::laugh::~ :suss::cool::rose: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: Quick. Where's the nearest freeware code formatter? Great idea! Wait, that phase is over. --
"The money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its rule by preying upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is concentrated in a few hands and the Republic destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
I think we need to establish balanced teams with interested people first, then let a leader be borne from that. As far as "Leader" goes, I think you are filling the role fine for now. You're kinda like the CEO, establishing the vision for focused work. Let the employees get the job done. If we get teams together and get active discussions on each project, we can start to brainstorm over the project in general. Chances are, as we pour over a project as a team, we may come to realize that the project may need to take a different form altogether (for reasons as mentioned above). We need a clear consensus on the vision and goals of a project before we even open our IDE. We need a clear system design and requirrements specification. We need to define a target audience (customer) and aim to meet their needs. We need to look beyond the coding aspects of the project and take it as a chance to learn the business and design aspects of the craft as well. Let's not start too fast, and don't get discouraged over the pace. We want quality not quantity. Let the idea sink in for a while, and lets get some volunteers committed to a team to get the ball rolling so to speak. Also, we should plan some CP get-togethers to get to know each other beetter. I live in the Dallas TX area, and will be in the DC/Bethesda/PotomacMD area for a week in mud-july. I also plan on being in North-East PA (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton area) in December. Maybe we can gather some people together over a :beer: or three. Anyway, comments? - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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I think we need to establish balanced teams with interested people first, then let a leader be borne from that. As far as "Leader" goes, I think you are filling the role fine for now. You're kinda like the CEO, establishing the vision for focused work. Let the employees get the job done. If we get teams together and get active discussions on each project, we can start to brainstorm over the project in general. Chances are, as we pour over a project as a team, we may come to realize that the project may need to take a different form altogether (for reasons as mentioned above). We need a clear consensus on the vision and goals of a project before we even open our IDE. We need a clear system design and requirrements specification. We need to define a target audience (customer) and aim to meet their needs. We need to look beyond the coding aspects of the project and take it as a chance to learn the business and design aspects of the craft as well. Let's not start too fast, and don't get discouraged over the pace. We want quality not quantity. Let the idea sink in for a while, and lets get some volunteers committed to a team to get the ball rolling so to speak. Also, we should plan some CP get-togethers to get to know each other beetter. I live in the Dallas TX area, and will be in the DC/Bethesda/PotomacMD area for a week in mud-july. I also plan on being in North-East PA (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton area) in December. Maybe we can gather some people together over a :beer: or three. Anyway, comments? - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
Nitron wrote: I think we need to establish balanced teams with interested people first, then let a leader be borne from that. Perhaps we could do this with UGLY, since the nominees either haven't responded or are less than enthusiastic. I may setup an article series for UGLY and let people join then establish a leader. Be patient with me while I iron out the look and feel of the article series. It may be a few days, and right now I need to sleep since I have deprived myself of it for far too long. :zzz:
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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I think we need to establish balanced teams with interested people first, then let a leader be borne from that. As far as "Leader" goes, I think you are filling the role fine for now. You're kinda like the CEO, establishing the vision for focused work. Let the employees get the job done. If we get teams together and get active discussions on each project, we can start to brainstorm over the project in general. Chances are, as we pour over a project as a team, we may come to realize that the project may need to take a different form altogether (for reasons as mentioned above). We need a clear consensus on the vision and goals of a project before we even open our IDE. We need a clear system design and requirrements specification. We need to define a target audience (customer) and aim to meet their needs. We need to look beyond the coding aspects of the project and take it as a chance to learn the business and design aspects of the craft as well. Let's not start too fast, and don't get discouraged over the pace. We want quality not quantity. Let the idea sink in for a while, and lets get some volunteers committed to a team to get the ball rolling so to speak. Also, we should plan some CP get-togethers to get to know each other beetter. I live in the Dallas TX area, and will be in the DC/Bethesda/PotomacMD area for a week in mud-july. I also plan on being in North-East PA (Wilkes-Barre/Scranton area) in December. Maybe we can gather some people together over a :beer: or three. Anyway, comments? - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
Nitron wrote: We need a clear consensus on the vision and goals of a project before we even open our IDE. We need a clear system design and requirrements specification. We need to define a target audience (customer) and aim to meet their needs. We need to look beyond the coding aspects of the project and take it as a chance to learn the business and design aspects of the craft as well. That's exactly what I'm thinking too. I don't want to start coding as in former times and then having to do so many redesigns to existing code. Why not build our projects that way software has to be build? Nitron wrote: Also, we should plan some CP get-togethers to get to know each other beetter. I live in the Dallas TX area I'd love to attend, but I'm living in Germany X| . I love TX and we plan to make one more trip next year, so be carefull what you're saying, maybe I remember where you live ... ;P
heinz r. vahlbruch
c++ & c# programmer from germanyIf IntelliSense doesn't have it, it ain't worth calling - Anonymous
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CP2 appears to be dying before it even starts if I interpret correctly the lack of enthusiasm lately. Let's hope that is not the case. Anyway... Clearly Marc Clifton is the new PL for the Application Framework project. Congrats Marc! Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. If there is anyone out there that wants to be the leader for the project, please come forward. Anders Molin is interested in running the Defect Tracking project, but Paul Watson was also nominated. Paul, any thoughts? Are you interested? If not, Anders will be declared the PL. Here is a brief outline of what we have done and what I want to accomplish next, comments are welcome:
- Phase 1
- See who is interested (DONE)
- Collect project ideas (DONE)
- Determine projects (DONE)
- Phase 2
- Pick project leaders (IN PROCESS)
- Leaders write draft of project Abstract [outline provided] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project article series' started [will provide an outline] (INCOMPLETE)
- Project management and rules defined by leaders (INCOMPLETE)
- Team establishment (INCOMPLETE)
- Project design/definition completed (INCOMPLETE)
- Phase 3
- Coding assignments given (INCOMPLETE)
- Coding ensues (INCOMPLETE)
- QA testing (INCOMPLETE)
- Initial release (INCOMPLETE)
- Party! :)
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Firstly, apologies for my slow response. My CP visiting rights at the moment are quite low in priority, a big push at work, GF wanting all my spare time and moving house as well - so I only get to visit once/twice a day, and there are lots of posts to catch up on. Jason Henderson wrote: Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. Its not that I am not interested in running it, I am in a way, its just me being a bit scared of something new (probably), also, my spare time capacity is low at the moment, and if I did commit to it, I would like to put a bit effort into it. I do have a variety of ideas, so even if I do not turn out to be PL, I would be interested in reviewing the spec/document and filling in my ideas. When it comes down to a project like this we are going to need a coding standard of some sort also to make sure that all the individual contributions will fit together easily and not look a mess of different styles (unless one person ended up re-formatting all the code) These are some of my intial thoughts. Also, if peple have Sonork, I will be floating around in Bobs hung out for a while so we can chat about any issues if necessary Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 Were you different as a kid? Did you ever say "Ooohhh, shiny red" even once? - Paul Watson 11-February-2003
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Nitron wrote: We need a clear consensus on the vision and goals of a project before we even open our IDE. We need a clear system design and requirrements specification. We need to define a target audience (customer) and aim to meet their needs. We need to look beyond the coding aspects of the project and take it as a chance to learn the business and design aspects of the craft as well. That's exactly what I'm thinking too. I don't want to start coding as in former times and then having to do so many redesigns to existing code. Why not build our projects that way software has to be build? Nitron wrote: Also, we should plan some CP get-togethers to get to know each other beetter. I live in the Dallas TX area I'd love to attend, but I'm living in Germany X| . I love TX and we plan to make one more trip next year, so be carefull what you're saying, maybe I remember where you live ... ;P
heinz r. vahlbruch
c++ & c# programmer from germanyIf IntelliSense doesn't have it, it ain't worth calling - Anonymous
My compiler compiled yours - Seen on a VC++.Net T-Shirt -
Firstly, apologies for my slow response. My CP visiting rights at the moment are quite low in priority, a big push at work, GF wanting all my spare time and moving house as well - so I only get to visit once/twice a day, and there are lots of posts to catch up on. Jason Henderson wrote: Tom Welch and Roger Allen have been nominated for the position in the UGLY project. However, Tom hasn't shown himself lately, and Roger seems to have little interest in running it. Its not that I am not interested in running it, I am in a way, its just me being a bit scared of something new (probably), also, my spare time capacity is low at the moment, and if I did commit to it, I would like to put a bit effort into it. I do have a variety of ideas, so even if I do not turn out to be PL, I would be interested in reviewing the spec/document and filling in my ideas. When it comes down to a project like this we are going to need a coding standard of some sort also to make sure that all the individual contributions will fit together easily and not look a mess of different styles (unless one person ended up re-formatting all the code) These are some of my intial thoughts. Also, if peple have Sonork, I will be floating around in Bobs hung out for a while so we can chat about any issues if necessary Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 Were you different as a kid? Did you ever say "Ooohhh, shiny red" even once? - Paul Watson 11-February-2003
Roger Allen wrote: Firstly, apologies for my slow response. My CP visiting rights at the moment are quite low in priority, a big push at work, GF wanting all my spare time and moving house as well - so I only get to visit once/twice a day, and there are lots of posts to catch up on. Might this hinder you ability to lead a CP2 team? Roger Allen wrote: I do have a variety of ideas, so even if I do not turn out to be PL, I would be interested in reviewing the spec/document and filling in my ideas. Would you mind if I emailed the abstract template to you directly? If you don't mind, you will be considered the defacto PL for this project until you relinquish the role or take it up full time.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
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Roger Allen wrote: Firstly, apologies for my slow response. My CP visiting rights at the moment are quite low in priority, a big push at work, GF wanting all my spare time and moving house as well - so I only get to visit once/twice a day, and there are lots of posts to catch up on. Might this hinder you ability to lead a CP2 team? Roger Allen wrote: I do have a variety of ideas, so even if I do not turn out to be PL, I would be interested in reviewing the spec/document and filling in my ideas. Would you mind if I emailed the abstract template to you directly? If you don't mind, you will be considered the defacto PL for this project until you relinquish the role or take it up full time.
Jason Henderson
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill
Jason Henderson wrote: Might this hinder you ability to lead a CP2 team? It may slow me down a bit, but once we have a dedicated article/board for a project, then it will be easier to keep upto date. Jason Henderson wrote: Would you mind if I emailed the abstract template to you directly? Feel free to send it over. Jason Henderson wrote: If you don't mind, you will be considered the defacto PL for this project until you relinquish the role or take it up full time. No problem, if we find someone better, we find someone better. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 Were you different as a kid? Did you ever say "Ooohhh, shiny red" even once? - Paul Watson 11-February-2003
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Heinz R. Vahlbruch wrote: I love TX and we plan to make one more trip next year, remember to let me know if you're coming! - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
Nitron wrote: remember to let me know if you're coming! Outlook will remember me ... ;) Thanks! Greetings,
heinz r. vahlbruch
c++ & c# programmer from germanyIf IntelliSense doesn't have it, it ain't worth calling - Anonymous
My compiler compiled yours - Seen on a VC++.Net T-Shirt