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    Kent Sharkey
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    Telerik[^]:

    The trend toward low- and no-code applications is worth paying attention to, but what will it mean for those of us who write code for a living?

    Job security

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      Telerik[^]:

      The trend toward low- and no-code applications is worth paying attention to, but what will it mean for those of us who write code for a living?

      Job security

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      "Software developers tend to be software addicts who think their job is to write code. But it's not. Their job is to solve problems."

      The only part I 100% agree. When reading the article, I could not stop thinking about 2347: Dependency - explain xkcd[^]

      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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        Telerik[^]:

        The trend toward low- and no-code applications is worth paying attention to, but what will it mean for those of us who write code for a living?

        Job security

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        Sander Rossel
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        Now I can charge $400 an hour to work in a low/no-code platform because it isn't as easy as my customer hoped it'd be. Additionally, they'll pay $20K a year for a platform license.

        Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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          Telerik[^]:

          The trend toward low- and no-code applications is worth paying attention to, but what will it mean for those of us who write code for a living?

          Job security

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          ZurdoDev
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          Somebody has to keep developing the low-code environments.

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            Telerik[^]:

            The trend toward low- and no-code applications is worth paying attention to, but what will it mean for those of us who write code for a living?

            Job security

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            ZurdoDev
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            Kent Sharkey wrote:

            Job security

            I know most developers do not take low-code very seriously, but if they have more than 10 years before retirement they better. My company was using low-code before I came here so I have to maintain it. It's very powerful. And will only get better.

            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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              Telerik[^]:

              The trend toward low- and no-code applications is worth paying attention to, but what will it mean for those of us who write code for a living?

              Job security

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              I've been doing it for over 30 years and all along there was "4G" languages promising to do just that no/low code apps - UserBase, DBase, Fox, Clipper, Paradox, Access, ... Somehow none of them is still around and regular LOB applications are still written in C#/Java/... (was C and COBOL when I started). The only noticeable change is that report generation is mostly gone to the drag&drop reporting apps (SSRS, Cognos, Crystal)... May be I can squeaze another 30 years out of it :-)

              http://www.GaspMobileGames.com

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                I've been doing it for over 30 years and all along there was "4G" languages promising to do just that no/low code apps - UserBase, DBase, Fox, Clipper, Paradox, Access, ... Somehow none of them is still around and regular LOB applications are still written in C#/Java/... (was C and COBOL when I started). The only noticeable change is that report generation is mostly gone to the drag&drop reporting apps (SSRS, Cognos, Crystal)... May be I can squeaze another 30 years out of it :-)

                http://www.GaspMobileGames.com

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                gstolarov wrote:

                I've been doing it for over 30 years and all along there was "4G" languages promising to do just that no/low code apps - UserBase, DBase, Fox, Clipper, Paradox, Access, ... Somehow none of them is still around and regular LOB applications are still written in C#/Java/... (was C and COBOL when I started).

                I understand that FoxPro, despite being killed off by Microsoft, still has an active user community. And Access, of course, is highly successful and used widely. Also there is Clarion, a 4GL that had its heyday in my opinion in the early 1990s but is still around. I see DOS apps written in Clarion still in daily use. And so 4GLs were and still are successful and do still see use of LOB applications. However, what really halted the 4GL wouldbe revolution in the 1990s was: Visual Basic. It was Visual Basic that caught on to a large part of what made 4GLs so successful at the time: (a) The easy of drawing a UI, and (b) relatively easy coding language, and (c) easy database integration (although VB's database integration was never as good as say, dBase, Fox, or even Access). As Microsoft's own languages and languages from other companies developed, these key features were replicated and improved again and again. E.g. C#, Java, Delphi. Delphi is also still around and still heavily used but VB and C# halted its own potential rise to the heights of LOB dominance that might otherwise have been the case. And even C# and Java have limited VB(.NET)'s growth, although as far as I can tell it is still more heavily used in corporate LOB apps than Microsoft credit it to be.

                gstolarov wrote:

                he only noticeable change is that report generation is mostly gone to the drag&drop reporting apps (SSRS, Cognos, Crystal)...

                Well here we go. In truth a lot of what 4GLs were used for was, in effect, report generation. So really these reporting apps are the 4GLs of their time, focussing on a very specific job.

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                  Kent Sharkey wrote:

                  Job security

                  I know most developers do not take low-code very seriously, but if they have more than 10 years before retirement they better. My company was using low-code before I came here so I have to maintain it. It's very powerful. And will only get better.

                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                  What are the low code platforms that your company uses?

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                    What are the low code platforms that your company uses?

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                    Low-code Application Development Platform - Build Apps Fast & Efficiently | Mendix[^]

                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      Telerik[^]:

                      The trend toward low- and no-code applications is worth paying attention to, but what will it mean for those of us who write code for a living?

                      Job security

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                      "People used to charge $400 an hour to write HTML" In what f*ckin universe? HTML isn't even a language and can almost not even be called "programming". Lo/no-code solutions are practically NEVER the answer.

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        Quote:

                        "Software developers tend to be software addicts who think their job is to write code. But it's not. Their job is to solve problems."

                        The only part I 100% agree. When reading the article, I could not stop thinking about 2347: Dependency - explain xkcd[^]

                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                        No, a programmer's job is to *write code* that solves problems.

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          "People used to charge $400 an hour to write HTML" In what f*ckin universe? HTML isn't even a language and can almost not even be called "programming". Lo/no-code solutions are practically NEVER the answer.

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          #realJSOP wrote:

                          HTML isn't even a language and ...

                          What does the "L" in "HTML" stand for?

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                            "People used to charge $400 an hour to write HTML" In what f*ckin universe? HTML isn't even a language and can almost not even be called "programming". Lo/no-code solutions are practically NEVER the answer.

                            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                            -----
                            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                            -----
                            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                            ZurdoDev
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                            #realJSOP wrote:

                            Lo/no-code solutions are practically NEVER the answer.

                            Not at all true. I know businesses that run their business exclusively on low code environments. Devs need to take it seriously.

                            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              Low-code Application Development Platform - Build Apps Fast & Efficiently | Mendix[^]

                              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              Thanks.

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