Is it possible to fix publication date? It depends on the logon state!
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Here is the problem: I prepared this article specially for April 1st: Markdown Calculator. I intentionally waited until today's night and completed all activities on April 1. And yes, it is listed as: Markdown-Calculator, Posted: 1 Apr 2021 Updated: 1 Apr 2021 (according to https://www.codeproject.com/script/Articles/MemberArticles.aspx?amid=2291164). And yet, when I referenced the article and clicked at the link to see how it looks for the reader non-authenticated with CodeProject, it shows: Posted 31 Mar 2021! The same goes for the page of the article: it shows the correct date, but for a non-authenticated reader it's "31 Mar". How so? Can it be fixed? Remember, having the publication marked as of April 1st is the point. Thank you. —SA
Sergey A Kryukov
We'll check this out. While annoying, pretty much no one would have seen that article before the great reveal. But seriously: when are you going to build it? ;)
cheers Chris Maunder
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We'll check this out. While annoying, pretty much no one would have seen that article before the great reveal. But seriously: when are you going to build it? ;)
cheers Chris Maunder
The point is having the April 1st mark on the article permanently. I consider it as one of the attributes of all my April 1st articles. Even if I see a need for a fix, I prepare an update and wait until next April 1st to submit it... Thank you.
— SA
Sergey A Kryukov
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The point is having the April 1st mark on the article permanently. I consider it as one of the attributes of all my April 1st articles. Even if I see a need for a fix, I prepare an update and wait until next April 1st to submit it... Thank you.
— SA
Sergey A Kryukov
We do have some magic powers that will allow us to update your article without changing the date... (Just email us the changes and we'll look after you)
cheers Chris Maunder
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We do have some magic powers that will allow us to update your article without changing the date... (Just email us the changes and we'll look after you)
cheers Chris Maunder
Thank you for offering me that backdoor. But what I've reported is looks just like a bug. [EDIT] Could you tell me what date do you see on this article, and what do you see if you log off?
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
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We'll check this out. While annoying, pretty much no one would have seen that article before the great reveal. But seriously: when are you going to build it? ;)
cheers Chris Maunder
I just did some simple experiments. If I am logged on, I am UTC+11, as expected. (back to +10 in a couple of days!) If I log out, all the timestamps I looked at seem to place me somewhere mid-Pacific, UTC-10. I'm guessing that's where SAK seems to be if he logs out too. Cheers, Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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I just did some simple experiments. If I am logged on, I am UTC+11, as expected. (back to +10 in a couple of days!) If I log out, all the timestamps I looked at seem to place me somewhere mid-Pacific, UTC-10. I'm guessing that's where SAK seems to be if he logs out too. Cheers, Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
Peter, Thank you for experimenting with this. Could you do the same thing: look at this article and look at the publication date. Then log off and look at the date again. Will you tell me what you see? Apparently, the publication date is just the date of some event. Once defined, it cannot depend on the time anymore. Let's say, you have a time zone of an author or a time zone of some publishing house. Any of these time zones can affect the effective publication date, but this date, when defined, cannot depend on the point of view, right? Thank you.
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
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Peter, Thank you for experimenting with this. Could you do the same thing: look at this article and look at the publication date. Then log off and look at the date again. Will you tell me what you see? Apparently, the publication date is just the date of some event. Once defined, it cannot depend on the time anymore. Let's say, you have a time zone of an author or a time zone of some publishing house. Any of these time zones can affect the effective publication date, but this date, when defined, cannot depend on the point of view, right? Thank you.
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
Logged in, I see it dated 1 April. Logged out, 31 March. My guess is that it is a timestamp (e.g. Unix date() ), displayed with a date-only format. So if the timestamp were say, 2021-04-01T0100Z (1.00 am, April 1, UTC) that would show as 1 April in my timezone, but 31 March in, say, the USA. As I noted earlier, it seems that users not logged in are assumed to be somewhere like UTC-10. Cheers. Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Logged in, I see it dated 1 April. Logged out, 31 March. My guess is that it is a timestamp (e.g. Unix date() ), displayed with a date-only format. So if the timestamp were say, 2021-04-01T0100Z (1.00 am, April 1, UTC) that would show as 1 April in my timezone, but 31 March in, say, the USA. As I noted earlier, it seems that users not logged in are assumed to be somewhere like UTC-10. Cheers. Peter
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
Thank you very much, but I don't think it explains the problem or the logic of the implementation. The reader's time zone has nothing to do with the date (time, for that matter) of the publication. A publication is done only in one time zone, one or another, but only one. Thank you again.
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
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Thank you for offering me that backdoor. But what I've reported is looks just like a bug. [EDIT] Could you tell me what date do you see on this article, and what do you see if you log off?
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
When I'm signed in the system knows my time zone and so I see Apr 1. When I'm not signed in it doesn't, and so the time is off by 5hrs and I see Mar 31.
cheers Chris Maunder
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When I'm signed in the system knows my time zone and so I see Apr 1. When I'm not signed in it doesn't, and so the time is off by 5hrs and I see Mar 31.
cheers Chris Maunder
Thank you for the answer, Chris. So you confirm that, with your account, you see the same that I can see with mine. Obviously, the publication date should be the property of the publication, cannot depend on the properties of a reader. Agree? Thank you.
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
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Thank you for the answer, Chris. So you confirm that, with your account, you see the same that I can see with mine. Obviously, the publication date should be the property of the publication, cannot depend on the properties of a reader. Agree? Thank you.
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov
Yes, the publication date is owned by the content item, but it's displayed in the user's local time. Time is relative...
cheers Chris Maunder
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Yes, the publication date is owned by the content item, but it's displayed in the user's local time. Time is relative...
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris, If you think a bit, you will agree with me. The publication is not a state of a document, it is its attribute characterized by some event in the past. Once defined, it should remain the same for all users. Otherwise, we would have individual dates for the moment of time when Brutus killed Cesar because it was really different in different parts of the globe. We don't even know what were the time zones at that time. But people don't think this way. They record the event only by one watch, the Rome watch, and the watch existed at that time and that place. Well, okay, but at least can we return back to your words about the magic power you've mentioned. Is it possible to set the date ad-hoc to appear the same for all users? By the way, it's still a bug: when I log off, my time zone doesn't change, for it should be April 1st in my zone, but it shows March 31. How about it?
—SA
Sergey A Kryukov