What the brain dead are talking about...
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http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_448.html[^] If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days, call me a pagan. In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain.
J Cardinal wrote: If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days It is a common error to judge a large group by vocal minorities within it. The idiots who think that Harry Potter is some sort of tool of evil clearly need to up their medication. I don't believe that more than 5% of people who claim Christianity feel this way, but even if they do, it's a sad fact that the majority of 'christian' people are simply religious, and not really interested in more than what makes them feel comfortable. Sometimes having an enemy to focus on gives people comfort. Go figure. J Cardinal wrote: In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain. One could easily respond in a manner as insulting as your comment, but perhaps I'll leave you pagans to the making of ignorant comments. It proves that your post does not mean that the dividing line between those who claim Christianity and those who do not is a dividing line on the basis of intelligence. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_448.html[^] If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days, call me a pagan. In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain.
An aquaintance of mine has a 13 year old daughter who is not allowed to read Harry Potter or watch the movies because she is supposed to be a "Christian". The parents haven't read any of the books either... :rolleyes:
There are 10 kinds of people - those that get binary and those that don't.
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J Cardinal wrote: If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days It is a common error to judge a large group by vocal minorities within it. The idiots who think that Harry Potter is some sort of tool of evil clearly need to up their medication. I don't believe that more than 5% of people who claim Christianity feel this way, but even if they do, it's a sad fact that the majority of 'christian' people are simply religious, and not really interested in more than what makes them feel comfortable. Sometimes having an enemy to focus on gives people comfort. Go figure. J Cardinal wrote: In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain. One could easily respond in a manner as insulting as your comment, but perhaps I'll leave you pagans to the making of ignorant comments. It proves that your post does not mean that the dividing line between those who claim Christianity and those who do not is a dividing line on the basis of intelligence. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: It is a common error to judge a large group by vocal minorities within it. Sure, I agree, but nothing get's a reaction from a group faster than painting them all with one stroke of the "brush". I suspect the group that is primarily giving christians a bad name these days is probably the so called "born again" ones, at least based on my entirely unscientific observation of many that I have known; and felt a strange mixture of both embarassment and sadness for over the years. After all (as attributed to Lao Tzu) "Those who know do not speak, those who speak do not know". Christian Graus wrote: One could easily respond in a manner as insulting as your comment, but perhaps I'll leave you pagans to the making of ignorant comments. It proves that your post does not mean that the dividing line between those who claim Christianity and those who do not is a dividing line on the basis of intelligence Heh heh! Well said! I'll make a personal exception in your case if in fact you are a Christian in more than name alone. I think my bias comes from being located so close to the United States and seeing things claimed in the name of "god" in both the political arena and the popular one that, were I believer I should find truly appalling and an embarassment. Ahh, sadly these days it's not considered a good thing to challenge popular ideas or practice free speech in some countries and there are so many Americans on this board... (I thought I would get it from one of them first)
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An aquaintance of mine has a 13 year old daughter who is not allowed to read Harry Potter or watch the movies because she is supposed to be a "Christian". The parents haven't read any of the books either... :rolleyes:
There are 10 kinds of people - those that get binary and those that don't.
My wife was raised by Jehova's Witnesses as a child before she was removed to a foster home and after hearing what life is like on the "inside" of that cult I truly have not even an ounce of humanity in me to give to those people. When they come to my door it's all I can do to politely tell them to go away. I should be ruder than I am for both my wife's sake and because I was raised in a home where my father was known famously one day to say to JW's that came to the door on a particularly hot summer day when we had been working outside in the heat and were getting pretty tired: "Fuck off and go pedal your religion somewhere else". I guess when I look into their sheep-like dead eyes I just can't muster the rudness the situation really deserves on so many levels. Harry Potter would be the very least of the worries of a child raised by JW's.
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My wife was raised by Jehova's Witnesses as a child before she was removed to a foster home and after hearing what life is like on the "inside" of that cult I truly have not even an ounce of humanity in me to give to those people. When they come to my door it's all I can do to politely tell them to go away. I should be ruder than I am for both my wife's sake and because I was raised in a home where my father was known famously one day to say to JW's that came to the door on a particularly hot summer day when we had been working outside in the heat and were getting pretty tired: "Fuck off and go pedal your religion somewhere else". I guess when I look into their sheep-like dead eyes I just can't muster the rudness the situation really deserves on so many levels. Harry Potter would be the very least of the worries of a child raised by JW's.
Organised religion never fails to amaze me. Quite honestly I don't have 2 minutes for any it. I think the moment that I really saw the pagan light, was when a born-again friend was moralising after one too many in the pub. I asked him about the millions of people starving and dying all over the world. Firstly, he says they are all sinners and will all burn in Hell - even the babies and children that are too young to accept "The Word". Furthermore, if he was to go there and help them, he would not take them food, blankets and medicine. Oh no, he would take his Bible and save their eternal souls. Basically let them die without lifting a finger to help. Also, my dog won't go to Heaven because animals don't have "souls". Doesn't sound much like heaven to me then, mate! Oh yeah, last time I heard from him, he was training to be a minister in the Church of England...
There are 10 kinds of people - those that get binary and those that don't.
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My wife was raised by Jehova's Witnesses as a child before she was removed to a foster home and after hearing what life is like on the "inside" of that cult I truly have not even an ounce of humanity in me to give to those people. When they come to my door it's all I can do to politely tell them to go away. I should be ruder than I am for both my wife's sake and because I was raised in a home where my father was known famously one day to say to JW's that came to the door on a particularly hot summer day when we had been working outside in the heat and were getting pretty tired: "Fuck off and go pedal your religion somewhere else". I guess when I look into their sheep-like dead eyes I just can't muster the rudness the situation really deserves on so many levels. Harry Potter would be the very least of the worries of a child raised by JW's.
J Cardinal wrote: "f*** off and go pedal your religion somewhere else". And thus wars start, never to end. Note, this is not a criticism of your father's response--I'm merely pointing out how easily it is to create a conflict, by both parties. Emotions are the primary cause of brain death. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
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Organised religion never fails to amaze me. Quite honestly I don't have 2 minutes for any it. I think the moment that I really saw the pagan light, was when a born-again friend was moralising after one too many in the pub. I asked him about the millions of people starving and dying all over the world. Firstly, he says they are all sinners and will all burn in Hell - even the babies and children that are too young to accept "The Word". Furthermore, if he was to go there and help them, he would not take them food, blankets and medicine. Oh no, he would take his Bible and save their eternal souls. Basically let them die without lifting a finger to help. Also, my dog won't go to Heaven because animals don't have "souls". Doesn't sound much like heaven to me then, mate! Oh yeah, last time I heard from him, he was training to be a minister in the Church of England...
There are 10 kinds of people - those that get binary and those that don't.
Odd fact and I'm not making this up: every self professed christian (male) that I have ever known more than casually (co-workers etc) at one point or another related to me a story about how they were having fun killing insects. The latest was three days ago when the guy who installed our flooring was at our house for two days and we talked about a variety of things, one of them was how he had taken his "kid" out to the back yard and found a huge spider web so they were hunting for insects and throwing them into the web to see it attack them, then they "burned it". Why this fascinatin with killing insects should be I have no idea, seems like more than co-incidence, maybe there is something in the bible that condones killing insects? Possibly a translation about killing other sects?
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J Cardinal wrote: "f*** off and go pedal your religion somewhere else". And thus wars start, never to end. Note, this is not a criticism of your father's response--I'm merely pointing out how easily it is to create a conflict, by both parties. Emotions are the primary cause of brain death. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
Ahh but no war was started and the very next week they sent a kindly old coffin-dodger clutching an armful of magazines in place of the usual two young dudes that looked like hit-men.
:laugh::laugh::laugh: I was recently biking by myself. It was a cold day, and I was wearing long black pants and a white shirt. While biking, it occurred to me that I look a bit like a Mormon salesman (we used to get them a lot in San Diego when I lived there), and I was wondering if that would cause any problems. It sure did. Some car drove by and the passenger rolled down his windows and threw a lot of insulting language at me. Fortunately, it was only words, not something more weighty. On the other hand, biking in shorts and a T-shirt incited a "get a car you moron" comment by some guys in a pickup truck. The world sure has changed a lot. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
:laugh::laugh::laugh: I was recently biking by myself. It was a cold day, and I was wearing long black pants and a white shirt. While biking, it occurred to me that I look a bit like a Mormon salesman (we used to get them a lot in San Diego when I lived there), and I was wondering if that would cause any problems. It sure did. Some car drove by and the passenger rolled down his windows and threw a lot of insulting language at me. Fortunately, it was only words, not something more weighty. On the other hand, biking in shorts and a T-shirt incited a "get a car you moron" comment by some guys in a pickup truck. The world sure has changed a lot. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: On the other hand, biking in shorts and a T-shirt incited a "get a car you moron" comment by some guys in a pickup truck Sometimes you just can't win :) I sometimes get similar reactions when walking home from the supermarket weighed down with bags of groceries. It seems inconcievable to some people that anyone could prefer walking to driving. Their loss I suppose :) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
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:laugh::laugh::laugh: I was recently biking by myself. It was a cold day, and I was wearing long black pants and a white shirt. While biking, it occurred to me that I look a bit like a Mormon salesman (we used to get them a lot in San Diego when I lived there), and I was wondering if that would cause any problems. It sure did. Some car drove by and the passenger rolled down his windows and threw a lot of insulting language at me. Fortunately, it was only words, not something more weighty. On the other hand, biking in shorts and a T-shirt incited a "get a car you moron" comment by some guys in a pickup truck. The world sure has changed a lot. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Marc Clifton wrote: biking in shorts and a T-shirt incited a "get a car you moron" comment by some guys in a pickup truck. And for some reason it's still legal to posess one (pickup truck). I mean, we've all seen Deliverance. ;) On the lighter side, I used to live in the city and knew many bike couriers and some of them where vehemently anti-automobile. They would keep their "Kryptonite" U-locks in their left hand and without hesitation "smite" (their words) any car that cut them off or did something "stupid". The object was to break a window and speed off from the scene of the crime as you can only do in rush hour traffic on a bicycle. "Things are more like they are now than they ever were before." -- Dwight Eisenhower
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Odd fact and I'm not making this up: every self professed christian (male) that I have ever known more than casually (co-workers etc) at one point or another related to me a story about how they were having fun killing insects. The latest was three days ago when the guy who installed our flooring was at our house for two days and we talked about a variety of things, one of them was how he had taken his "kid" out to the back yard and found a huge spider web so they were hunting for insects and throwing them into the web to see it attack them, then they "burned it". Why this fascinatin with killing insects should be I have no idea, seems like more than co-incidence, maybe there is something in the bible that condones killing insects? Possibly a translation about killing other sects?
J Cardinal wrote: Possibly a translation about killing other sects? This is actually quite amusing - until you realise that it's sadly true. Religion has been the cause of more wars than anything else in history. The hypocrisy of religion, on every level, is absolutely staggering.
There are 10 kinds of people - those that get binary and those that don't.
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J Cardinal wrote: If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days It is a common error to judge a large group by vocal minorities within it. The idiots who think that Harry Potter is some sort of tool of evil clearly need to up their medication. I don't believe that more than 5% of people who claim Christianity feel this way, but even if they do, it's a sad fact that the majority of 'christian' people are simply religious, and not really interested in more than what makes them feel comfortable. Sometimes having an enemy to focus on gives people comfort. Go figure. J Cardinal wrote: In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain. One could easily respond in a manner as insulting as your comment, but perhaps I'll leave you pagans to the making of ignorant comments. It proves that your post does not mean that the dividing line between those who claim Christianity and those who do not is a dividing line on the basis of intelligence. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christians don't have a monopoly on stupid. Good response. 5 worthy. :)
Jason Henderson
"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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Christian Graus wrote: It is a common error to judge a large group by vocal minorities within it. Sure, I agree, but nothing get's a reaction from a group faster than painting them all with one stroke of the "brush". I suspect the group that is primarily giving christians a bad name these days is probably the so called "born again" ones, at least based on my entirely unscientific observation of many that I have known; and felt a strange mixture of both embarassment and sadness for over the years. After all (as attributed to Lao Tzu) "Those who know do not speak, those who speak do not know". Christian Graus wrote: One could easily respond in a manner as insulting as your comment, but perhaps I'll leave you pagans to the making of ignorant comments. It proves that your post does not mean that the dividing line between those who claim Christianity and those who do not is a dividing line on the basis of intelligence Heh heh! Well said! I'll make a personal exception in your case if in fact you are a Christian in more than name alone. I think my bias comes from being located so close to the United States and seeing things claimed in the name of "god" in both the political arena and the popular one that, were I believer I should find truly appalling and an embarassment. Ahh, sadly these days it's not considered a good thing to challenge popular ideas or practice free speech in some countries and there are so many Americans on this board... (I thought I would get it from one of them first)
J Cardinal wrote: Ahh, sadly these days it's not considered a good thing to challenge popular ideas or practice free speech in some countries and there are so many Americans on this board... Isn't that what these people are doing? You're talking out of both side of your mouth here. BTW, I happen to like the Harry Potter books and I'm a Christian.
Jason Henderson
"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_448.html[^] If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days, call me a pagan. In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain.
Yes, this is really something to be concerned about. Its too damned bad we live in a society where parents try to give their children moral guidance. I'll be glad when we finally live in a society where all children get their morality from pop culture or from the state. "More capitalism, please..."
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http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_448.html[^] If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days, call me a pagan. In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain.
The Harry Potter books and the Bible are both filled with supernatural fantasy. The kids reading the Potter books treat it as light-hearted escapism. The adult Christians also seek an escape in their world. The difference is that they can't differentiate between fantasy and reality.
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The Harry Potter books and the Bible are both filled with supernatural fantasy. The kids reading the Potter books treat it as light-hearted escapism. The adult Christians also seek an escape in their world. The difference is that they can't differentiate between fantasy and reality.
I read an interesting article recently comparing the philosophy and approach between books and movies like Harry Potter versus the Bible. The contention was that the Potter-like stories (even including the Matrix) all concerned man's being "enlightened" by a select few who already knew the secret. The Bible, on the other hand, has man being enlightened by the grace of God. That fundamental difference, apparently, is quite a cause of contention. Dave "You can say that again." -- Dept. of Redundancy Dept.
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http://www.jesusjournal.com/articles/publish/article_448.html[^] If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days, call me a pagan. In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain.
Christians have always been doing stupid things like that. Pagan's still worships a god/gods and have rituals they must go to. You need something that makes logical sense when analized. I prefer a Diest Realist or Agnostic.
..........Zack.......... Developer Extraordinaire && Full Time Geek
"Don't go out of your way to step on people's toes, but don't stop walking all-together." GCS\P\SS d- s-:- a-- C++$ U--- P--- L- E- W++ N o K-? w+++ O++ !M-- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R++ tv++ b++ DI++ D+++ G+>G++++ e* h- r++ y+
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J Cardinal wrote: If this is what the christians are spending their time doing these days It is a common error to judge a large group by vocal minorities within it. The idiots who think that Harry Potter is some sort of tool of evil clearly need to up their medication. I don't believe that more than 5% of people who claim Christianity feel this way, but even if they do, it's a sad fact that the majority of 'christian' people are simply religious, and not really interested in more than what makes them feel comfortable. Sometimes having an enemy to focus on gives people comfort. Go figure. J Cardinal wrote: In fact, call me one anyway, since I still have a complete and working brain. One could easily respond in a manner as insulting as your comment, but perhaps I'll leave you pagans to the making of ignorant comments. It proves that your post does not mean that the dividing line between those who claim Christianity and those who do not is a dividing line on the basis of intelligence. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: Christianity and those who do not is a dividing line on the basis of intelligence Somewhat correct. The dividing line of intellegence is logic. There are several logic errors when talking about Christianity: 1.) Belief in God. This in and of itself is not a logic error. I belive in a God, but the difference is the why and how that concusion was come to. I believe because of several logic proofs that I won't get into 'cause it takes up too much time and it'll just belabor the point. Christians believe in God, but most don't know why and did not come to this belief through a series of logical arguments, but rather because a.) a book told them to b.) a high level of their faith told them to 2.) "Because (insert book of choice here) says so". The bible is a good book, but it's just that, a book. It's moral and historical value is indeed great, but that's about it. People take it too far. It's ok to take the factual stuff and have fun with it, but it's when you take the non-factual text and warp it to mean what you want. Anyone can do this, in fact, if you really read the bible, and not just the parts that fit your agenda, there's a lot of things that go against Christianity. Again, not gonna go into it now. 3.) Blind faith in a person who happens to be high up on the Christian totem pole. People need to put ther own mind to work and think about what different things mean. If you pay the church money 'cause you are supposed to or a book or person told you, logic error. If you pay because they give it to this charity which you belive in, no logic error. Basically, if you know what you believe and why, you're good to go. You can believe that the world is really a giant hunk of cheese, and if you logically came to that conclusion through much thought and research, go for it man!
..........Zack.......... Developer Extraordinaire && Full Time Geek
"Don't go out of your way to step on people's toes, but don't stop walking all-together." GCS\P\SS d- s-:- a-- C++$ U--- P--- L- E- W++ N o K-? w+++ O++ !M-- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5+ X+ R++ tv++ b++ DI++ D+++ G+>G++++ e* h- r++ y+