Enormous Leaks from Uber
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An enormous cache of documents have been leaked from Uber, that don't exactly paint them in a good light... [The Uber files | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/uber-files)
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An enormous cache of documents have been leaked from Uber, that don't exactly paint them in a good light... [The Uber files | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/uber-files)
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
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Uber broke laws, duped police and secretly lobbied governments, leak reveals
Politicians create protectionist laws that limit taxi service, so Uber tries to disrupt these cartels. The Guardian, which understands nothing of economic freedom, finds this disturbing. But it's hardly surprising.
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Uber broke laws, duped police and secretly lobbied governments, leak reveals
Politicians create protectionist laws that limit taxi service, so Uber tries to disrupt these cartels. The Guardian, which understands nothing of economic freedom, finds this disturbing. But it's hardly surprising.
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Uber broke laws, duped police and secretly lobbied governments, leak reveals
Politicians create protectionist laws that limit taxi service, so Uber tries to disrupt these cartels. The Guardian, which understands nothing of economic freedom, finds this disturbing. But it's hardly surprising.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Sorry, you can classify this like that, but sending your own drivers into potentially violent situations, with attitude of "if it kicks off, it will help our cause" is beyond despicable. "In one exchange, Kalanick dismissed concerns from other executives that sending Uber drivers to a protest in France put them at risk of violence from angry opponents in the taxi industry. “I think it’s worth it,” he shot back. “Violence guarantee[s] success.”" They're undercutting taxis by avoiding all the rules that cover taxis, putting passengers at more risk. It's disruptive, but in all the wrong ways.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
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Sorry, you can classify this like that, but sending your own drivers into potentially violent situations, with attitude of "if it kicks off, it will help our cause" is beyond despicable. "In one exchange, Kalanick dismissed concerns from other executives that sending Uber drivers to a protest in France put them at risk of violence from angry opponents in the taxi industry. “I think it’s worth it,” he shot back. “Violence guarantee[s] success.”" They're undercutting taxis by avoiding all the rules that cover taxis, putting passengers at more risk. It's disruptive, but in all the wrong ways.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
You're picking one callous quote. That said, taxi driving a dangerous profession, Uber or not. The rules are made to restrict competition. Of course, the story is that it's for everyone's good.
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Quote:
Uber broke laws, duped police and secretly lobbied governments, leak reveals
Politicians create protectionist laws that limit taxi service, so Uber tries to disrupt these cartels. The Guardian, which understands nothing of economic freedom, finds this disturbing. But it's hardly surprising.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
Politicians create protectionist laws
In addition to what Rob said, if you read the article it shows how the politicians themselves often helped Uber. It exposes corruption on all levels. Pretty disgusting.
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Sorry, you can classify this like that, but sending your own drivers into potentially violent situations, with attitude of "if it kicks off, it will help our cause" is beyond despicable. "In one exchange, Kalanick dismissed concerns from other executives that sending Uber drivers to a protest in France put them at risk of violence from angry opponents in the taxi industry. “I think it’s worth it,” he shot back. “Violence guarantee[s] success.”" They're undercutting taxis by avoiding all the rules that cover taxis, putting passengers at more risk. It's disruptive, but in all the wrong ways.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
Rob Grainger wrote:
They're undercutting taxis by avoiding all the rules that cover taxis, putting passengers at more risk. It's disruptive, but in all the wrong ways.
This is a very common claim but in the market with which I am familiar (London, England) it is wholly untrue. In London, Uber is required to adhere to the same standards as any other private hire taxi firm, and has been since it started operating in London. It is just a taxi firm like any other. The rules apply to all taxi firms and drivers; it, and its drivers, cannot avoid any rules. (I should add that minicabs in London are required to adhere to essentially the same standards as black cabs nowadays and both are regulated by the same organisation). If it appears that Uber is "avoiding all the rules" in other markets then it might be helpful to look at the rules as set out by local legislature. What exactly are the rules? Is Uber really breaking the law in your jurisdiction, somehow? And if you feel that the local laws are not tight enough then perhaps campaign for change in the law.
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You're picking one callous quote. That said, taxi driving a dangerous profession, Uber or not. The rules are made to restrict competition. Of course, the story is that it's for everyone's good.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Fundamentally, the rules should be designed to help all of us lead better lives, and balance the greed that Uber CEOs and others have exemplified so disgustingly. [Here's another example of Uber's policies: not calling the police when needed](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/opinion/uber-safety-ride-sharing.html)
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Rob Grainger wrote:
They're undercutting taxis by avoiding all the rules that cover taxis, putting passengers at more risk. It's disruptive, but in all the wrong ways.
This is a very common claim but in the market with which I am familiar (London, England) it is wholly untrue. In London, Uber is required to adhere to the same standards as any other private hire taxi firm, and has been since it started operating in London. It is just a taxi firm like any other. The rules apply to all taxi firms and drivers; it, and its drivers, cannot avoid any rules. (I should add that minicabs in London are required to adhere to essentially the same standards as black cabs nowadays and both are regulated by the same organisation). If it appears that Uber is "avoiding all the rules" in other markets then it might be helpful to look at the rules as set out by local legislature. What exactly are the rules? Is Uber really breaking the law in your jurisdiction, somehow? And if you feel that the local laws are not tight enough then perhaps campaign for change in the law.
markrlondon wrote:
but in the market with which I am familiar (London, England) it is wholly untrue.
Now, not earlier: [Why London is banning Uber from its streets - Vox](https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/24/16350064/why-london-banned-uber-explained)
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Fundamentally, the rules should be designed to help all of us lead better lives, and balance the greed that Uber CEOs and others have exemplified so disgustingly. [Here's another example of Uber's policies: not calling the police when needed](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/22/opinion/uber-safety-ride-sharing.html)
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That rag has a paywall. But SCOTUS has ruled that police don't even have to show up, and that they have qualified immunity that excuses egregious behavior in many situations. People who think politics is a solution get what they deserve, but the problem is that everyone else also has to suffer.
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Greg Utas wrote:
Politicians create protectionist laws
In addition to what Rob said, if you read the article it shows how the politicians themselves often helped Uber. It exposes corruption on all levels. Pretty disgusting.
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Of course they did. They're for sale. Maybe Uber offered a better deal. Your straw man is a Utopia, but the problem is that it doesn't exist.
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That rag has a paywall. But SCOTUS has ruled that police don't even have to show up, and that they have qualified immunity that excuses egregious behavior in many situations. People who think politics is a solution get what they deserve, but the problem is that everyone else also has to suffer.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.So your solution is to let the workers burn in the buildings. I dislike that even more than having laws which are imperfect. Try changing your javascript setting for that rag. [The fire that ignited change - the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory](https://www.lni.wa.gov/agency/blog/articles/the-fire-that-ignited-change-the-triangle-shirtwaist-factory)
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Of course they did. They're for sale. Maybe Uber offered a better deal. Your straw man is a Utopia, but the problem is that it doesn't exist.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.There is no straw man in there.
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markrlondon wrote:
but in the market with which I am familiar (London, England) it is wholly untrue.
Now, not earlier: [Why London is banning Uber from its streets - Vox](https://www.vox.com/world/2017/9/24/16350064/why-london-banned-uber-explained)
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Oh yes to earlier. Regardless of what it may or may not say in an article from Vox, Uber really has been covered by the same regulations as any other minicab firm since it set up in London. Uber has not been banned from London. It was always an odd claim by TFL that Uber was not "fit and proper" because TFL were fully responsible for regulating it at every stage. Perhaps it was TFL that was not "fit and proper" since they approved its mode of operation (i.e. much like any other minicab firm). The specific claims against Uber were in many cases disingenuous. For example, the claim that Uber was not doing background checks properly was, for example, bizarre since it was and is TFL that was responsible for them, not Uber. Take away lesson: Don't take articles in the media literally. Whoever provided them to the media outlet you are reading may well have had their own, biased, agenda. In this case, the bias against Uber and other new market entrants has been strong (at least in London).
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Oh yes to earlier. Regardless of what it may or may not say in an article from Vox, Uber really has been covered by the same regulations as any other minicab firm since it set up in London. Uber has not been banned from London. It was always an odd claim by TFL that Uber was not "fit and proper" because TFL were fully responsible for regulating it at every stage. Perhaps it was TFL that was not "fit and proper" since they approved its mode of operation (i.e. much like any other minicab firm). The specific claims against Uber were in many cases disingenuous. For example, the claim that Uber was not doing background checks properly was, for example, bizarre since it was and is TFL that was responsible for them, not Uber. Take away lesson: Don't take articles in the media literally. Whoever provided them to the media outlet you are reading may well have had their own, biased, agenda. In this case, the bias against Uber and other new market entrants has been strong (at least in London).
It doesn't sound as cut and dried as you make it out to be:
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But last fall, TfL cited Uber again, ruling that it was unfit to hold a license, and suspended the company’s operations after finding widespread instances of unauthorized drivers using the ride-hailing app to pick up customers.
- [https://www.pymnts.com/news/ridesharing/2020/london-judge-reinstates-uber-license/\](https://www.pymnts.com/news/ridesharing/2020/london-judge-reinstates-uber-license/)
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It doesn't sound as cut and dried as you make it out to be:
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But last fall, TfL cited Uber again, ruling that it was unfit to hold a license, and suspended the company’s operations after finding widespread instances of unauthorized drivers using the ride-hailing app to pick up customers.
- [https://www.pymnts.com/news/ridesharing/2020/london-judge-reinstates-uber-license/\](https://www.pymnts.com/news/ridesharing/2020/london-judge-reinstates-uber-license/)
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I rather thought that I was pointing out that it's not as cut and dried as you made it out to be. ;-) Of course, complex issues like this one never are as cut and dried as some people on the various sides might like to make us think. That is the nature of competition, I think.
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I rather thought that I was pointing out that it's not as cut and dried as you made it out to be. ;-) Of course, complex issues like this one never are as cut and dried as some people on the various sides might like to make us think. That is the nature of competition, I think.
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but in the market with which I am familiar (London, England) it is wholly untrue.
Cut and dried... :doh:
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but in the market with which I am familiar (London, England) it is wholly untrue.
Cut and dried... :doh:
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Ah, quoting taken out of context. :-) The passage of mine you quote here can be (and is) entirely correct within the context of the very specific claim to which I was explicitly responding (within the jurisdictional context to which I explicitly referred) but, in saying this and later comments, I was also aiming to point out that it can be (and is) also the case that the wider claims in the media, both anti-competition/anti-Uber and pro-Uber/pro-new market entrant, are not necessarily either clear cut or necessarily to be taken as gospel.
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Ah, quoting taken out of context. :-) The passage of mine you quote here can be (and is) entirely correct within the context of the very specific claim to which I was explicitly responding (within the jurisdictional context to which I explicitly referred) but, in saying this and later comments, I was also aiming to point out that it can be (and is) also the case that the wider claims in the media, both anti-competition/anti-Uber and pro-Uber/pro-new market entrant, are not necessarily either clear cut or necessarily to be taken as gospel.
At this point you are just being a troll. Goodbye.
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An enormous cache of documents have been leaked from Uber, that don't exactly paint them in a good light... [The Uber files | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/uber-files)
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
