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  • M markrlondon

    Oh yes to earlier. Regardless of what it may or may not say in an article from Vox, Uber really has been covered by the same regulations as any other minicab firm since it set up in London. Uber has not been banned from London. It was always an odd claim by TFL that Uber was not "fit and proper" because TFL were fully responsible for regulating it at every stage. Perhaps it was TFL that was not "fit and proper" since they approved its mode of operation (i.e. much like any other minicab firm). The specific claims against Uber were in many cases disingenuous. For example, the claim that Uber was not doing background checks properly was, for example, bizarre since it was and is TFL that was responsible for them, not Uber. Take away lesson: Don't take articles in the media literally. Whoever provided them to the media outlet you are reading may well have had their own, biased, agenda. In this case, the bias against Uber and other new market entrants has been strong (at least in London).

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    It doesn't sound as cut and dried as you make it out to be:

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    But last fall, TfL cited Uber again, ruling that it was unfit to hold a license, and suspended the company’s operations after finding widespread instances of unauthorized drivers using the ride-hailing app to pick up customers.

    - [https://www.pymnts.com/news/ridesharing/2020/london-judge-reinstates-uber-license/\](https://www.pymnts.com/news/ridesharing/2020/london-judge-reinstates-uber-license/)

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      It doesn't sound as cut and dried as you make it out to be:

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      But last fall, TfL cited Uber again, ruling that it was unfit to hold a license, and suspended the company’s operations after finding widespread instances of unauthorized drivers using the ride-hailing app to pick up customers.

      - [https://www.pymnts.com/news/ridesharing/2020/london-judge-reinstates-uber-license/\](https://www.pymnts.com/news/ridesharing/2020/london-judge-reinstates-uber-license/)

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      markrlondon
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      I rather thought that I was pointing out that it's not as cut and dried as you made it out to be. ;-) Of course, complex issues like this one never are as cut and dried as some people on the various sides might like to make us think. That is the nature of competition, I think.

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      • M markrlondon

        I rather thought that I was pointing out that it's not as cut and dried as you made it out to be. ;-) Of course, complex issues like this one never are as cut and dried as some people on the various sides might like to make us think. That is the nature of competition, I think.

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        but in the market with which I am familiar (London, England) it is wholly untrue.

        Cut and dried... :doh:

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          but in the market with which I am familiar (London, England) it is wholly untrue.

          Cut and dried... :doh:

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          Ah, quoting taken out of context. :-) The passage of mine you quote here can be (and is) entirely correct within the context of the very specific claim to which I was explicitly responding (within the jurisdictional context to which I explicitly referred) but, in saying this and later comments, I was also aiming to point out that it can be (and is) also the case that the wider claims in the media, both anti-competition/anti-Uber and pro-Uber/pro-new market entrant, are not necessarily either clear cut or necessarily to be taken as gospel.

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          • M markrlondon

            Ah, quoting taken out of context. :-) The passage of mine you quote here can be (and is) entirely correct within the context of the very specific claim to which I was explicitly responding (within the jurisdictional context to which I explicitly referred) but, in saying this and later comments, I was also aiming to point out that it can be (and is) also the case that the wider claims in the media, both anti-competition/anti-Uber and pro-Uber/pro-new market entrant, are not necessarily either clear cut or necessarily to be taken as gospel.

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            David ONeil
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            At this point you are just being a troll. Goodbye.

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            • R Rob Grainger

              An enormous cache of documents have been leaked from Uber, that don't exactly paint them in a good light... [The Uber files | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/uber-files)

              "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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              Uber Uber Eats Uber Leaks

              Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

              We are in the beginning of a mass extinction. - Greta Thunberg

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              • D David ONeil

                So your solution is to let the workers burn in the buildings. I dislike that even more than having laws which are imperfect. Try changing your javascript setting for that rag. [The fire that ignited change - the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory](https://www.lni.wa.gov/agency/blog/articles/the-fire-that-ignited-change-the-triangle-shirtwaist-factory)

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                A typical knee-jerk reaction. If I don't believe in political solutions, this must be what I want. I also want people to starve and children to go uneducated. Buffoon.

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                • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                  A typical knee-jerk reaction. If I don't believe in political solutions, this must be what I want. I also want people to starve and children to go uneducated. Buffoon.

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                  And now you sound like a Republican Christo-Fascist, who wants to overthrow the government. If you had explained how you want to fix the problem, rather than jump to name calling, you could have evaded that image. Unless you are a Christo-Fascist Republican? And if you want fix the issues you are whining about without laws, you come across as ignorant of history. So please explain yourself. From what you've said, you want to make the world better by eliminating laws.

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                    And now you sound like a Republican Christo-Fascist, who wants to overthrow the government. If you had explained how you want to fix the problem, rather than jump to name calling, you could have evaded that image. Unless you are a Christo-Fascist Republican? And if you want fix the issues you are whining about without laws, you come across as ignorant of history. So please explain yourself. From what you've said, you want to make the world better by eliminating laws.

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                    You are quite wrong as to my political beliefs. Other than that, I'm done with you.

                    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                    The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                    <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                      You are quite wrong as to my political beliefs. Other than that, I'm done with you.

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                      David ONeil
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                      I never said what your political beliefs are, since I don't know them, so I can't be wrong. I only asked (if you re-read the thread closely). I did say you believe in letting people die in fires, because you are seemingly against laws and politics, and it took laws to get capitalists to obey fire codes. But this has devolved enough so I will be done as well. Have a great day in spite of this thread.

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