IDN Awareness Raising answers getting tagged as "Spam". Why?
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Bear in mind that this is nothing personal: it's about what your actions look like to others. If you walk around your town wearing a hockey mask and carrying a big axe, nobody is going to assume "he was playing ice hockey when his mother range and told him she was out of kindling, I expect". Nope, they are going to assume "Eeek! A crazy axe murderer! Run!" aren't they? And the chances are the police will shoot you rather than try to arrest you ... :laugh: We don't get told your motivations: we just see your actions, and make an assessment based on that. And as someone who has "already been through one account banning" you should be aware of that. What did we kick you off for last time? Lets see ... 22 March we kicked you for site driving ... which is what your posts this time looked like ... See what we mean now?
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Once again, thanks for the detailed response OriginalGriff. I do understand what you are trying to convey. From where we come from, police do not directly shoot. They take him into custody, enquire and if it comes out that there is a new hockey stadium has opened nearby and he is going towards that, they let him go. Afterall, prospects of "site-driving" are not so serious a crime, especially when as Mods you have full authority to remove all the activity one does with account suspension. I was only requesting to be assessed based on the nature of content of my response. Coming to giving external links, I would really require your guidance about how to point users to additional sources of information, especially when the whole intention of your activity is to right a wrong that happens when people seek info from QnA forums for implementing stuff like validating domain names and e-mail addresses. I am happy to write an article on CodeProject if linking that article in response does not amount to proverbial axe wielding. Would that be a right thing to do? Thanks for your thoughtful and thorough indulgence.
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Once again, thanks for the detailed response OriginalGriff. I do understand what you are trying to convey. From where we come from, police do not directly shoot. They take him into custody, enquire and if it comes out that there is a new hockey stadium has opened nearby and he is going towards that, they let him go. Afterall, prospects of "site-driving" are not so serious a crime, especially when as Mods you have full authority to remove all the activity one does with account suspension. I was only requesting to be assessed based on the nature of content of my response. Coming to giving external links, I would really require your guidance about how to point users to additional sources of information, especially when the whole intention of your activity is to right a wrong that happens when people seek info from QnA forums for implementing stuff like validating domain names and e-mail addresses. I am happy to write an article on CodeProject if linking that article in response does not amount to proverbial axe wielding. Would that be a right thing to do? Thanks for your thoughtful and thorough indulgence.
I linked a lot to MSDN and other CP articles, and has never been a problem. Not even a problem to post links to SO.
Akshat J wrote:
Once again, thanks for the detailed response OriginalGriff. I do understand what you are trying to convey.
It's not that complicated if you read the thread. It's old questions and the one who posted it gets a mail from something they asked 10 years ago. Questions aren't maintained or updated to reflect current practices, otherwise all VB6 related comment would have been removed.
Akshat J wrote:
and if it comes out that there is a new hockey stadium has opened nearby and he is going towards that, they let him go.
If you walk around with a stick outside the stadium it can be confiscated. Same applies to any nonsense about baseball stadiums and even kitchen-knives. If you buy them, knives are packaged. If you walk around with a knife without packaging, it will be confiscated. Depending on how others interpret your actions, e.g., if you acted threatening, then you better call a lawyer. My walking cane isn't a weapon, but if I'm on a surveillance cam raising it, it is judged a weapon, and at that moment the walking cane is not used for its intended purpose.
Akshat J wrote:
Afterall, prospects of "site-driving" are not so serious a crime, especially when as Mods you have full authority to remove all the activity one does with account suspension.
Cycling through a red light when there's no car to be seen isn't a serious crime maybe, but I'd still risk a fine. Rightly so. Also, it's not just moderators; if ten normal users like me report you for spam or abuse, then the account is suspended.
Akshat J wrote:
I am happy to write an article on CodeProject if linking that article in response does not amount to proverbial axe wielding. Would that be a right thing to do?
Testing the water to see how far we can go, are we? :) That's what you're doing now it seems - asking what exactly is allowed and what isn't. Linking is simply allowed. Linking only to your site means that your intention is not helping but abusing us for advertising your site. Breaking the rules of the site might not be a crime, but it does mean you are taking advantage of a lot of volunteers. And you are surprised that people who gather here do not like that and want to
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I linked a lot to MSDN and other CP articles, and has never been a problem. Not even a problem to post links to SO.
Akshat J wrote:
Once again, thanks for the detailed response OriginalGriff. I do understand what you are trying to convey.
It's not that complicated if you read the thread. It's old questions and the one who posted it gets a mail from something they asked 10 years ago. Questions aren't maintained or updated to reflect current practices, otherwise all VB6 related comment would have been removed.
Akshat J wrote:
and if it comes out that there is a new hockey stadium has opened nearby and he is going towards that, they let him go.
If you walk around with a stick outside the stadium it can be confiscated. Same applies to any nonsense about baseball stadiums and even kitchen-knives. If you buy them, knives are packaged. If you walk around with a knife without packaging, it will be confiscated. Depending on how others interpret your actions, e.g., if you acted threatening, then you better call a lawyer. My walking cane isn't a weapon, but if I'm on a surveillance cam raising it, it is judged a weapon, and at that moment the walking cane is not used for its intended purpose.
Akshat J wrote:
Afterall, prospects of "site-driving" are not so serious a crime, especially when as Mods you have full authority to remove all the activity one does with account suspension.
Cycling through a red light when there's no car to be seen isn't a serious crime maybe, but I'd still risk a fine. Rightly so. Also, it's not just moderators; if ten normal users like me report you for spam or abuse, then the account is suspended.
Akshat J wrote:
I am happy to write an article on CodeProject if linking that article in response does not amount to proverbial axe wielding. Would that be a right thing to do?
Testing the water to see how far we can go, are we? :) That's what you're doing now it seems - asking what exactly is allowed and what isn't. Linking is simply allowed. Linking only to your site means that your intention is not helping but abusing us for advertising your site. Breaking the rules of the site might not be a crime, but it does mean you are taking advantage of a lot of volunteers. And you are surprised that people who gather here do not like that and want to
I guess I will not push this beyond a point. The links I was trying to put were not always to a personal blog. They were also to a community page which is constituted by an international collaborative effort to boost the overall perception about Internationalized Domain Names. Even when they were linked to the personal blog, it was only because there was no MSDN Page or a CP article which gave that kind of information. I often said that looking into the contents of the answers, the content in the link, and the nature of portal to which it was being linked, would have helped before making judgement about it being a spam. The way it is going, it is appearing that I am being pushy or trying to take it to maximum limits till I can. I sincerely do not wish to do so. I will not put any such links. It certainly limits my effort but I guess that is how it has to be. :)
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I guess I will not push this beyond a point. The links I was trying to put were not always to a personal blog. They were also to a community page which is constituted by an international collaborative effort to boost the overall perception about Internationalized Domain Names. Even when they were linked to the personal blog, it was only because there was no MSDN Page or a CP article which gave that kind of information. I often said that looking into the contents of the answers, the content in the link, and the nature of portal to which it was being linked, would have helped before making judgement about it being a spam. The way it is going, it is appearing that I am being pushy or trying to take it to maximum limits till I can. I sincerely do not wish to do so. I will not put any such links. It certainly limits my effort but I guess that is how it has to be. :)
Akshat J wrote:
They were also to a community page which is constituted by an international collaborative effort to boost the overall perception about Internationalized Domain Names
A what? You mean something like MSDN or this site? Then there would not be a discussion.
Akshat J wrote:
Even when they were linked to the personal blog, it was only because there was no MSDN Page or a CP article which gave that kind of information.
Oh? Please, do give a relevant example? :)
Akshat J wrote:
I often said that looking into the contents of the answers, the content in the link, and the nature of portal to which it was being linked, would have helped before making judgement about it being a spam.
Nope, it does not. You cannot expect CP to go out and judge some personal blog. Even then, none complain if I link to Joel On Software. Why not? Because it is less than 1% of my answers.
Akshat J wrote:
The way it is going, it is appearing that I am being pushy or trying to take it to maximum limits till I can. I sincerely do not wish to do so.
Oh, you are dear, even asking how for you can go. These "mods" as you call them put a lot of hours in answering questions. You did not.
Akshat J wrote:
It certainly limits my effort but I guess that is how it has to be. :)
Your choice. You behave nice, or you get kicked. The moderators are expected to be patient. I'm not. It does not limit you if you want to help. It limits you only how often you link to the same fringe-resource.
Akshat J wrote:
They were also to a community page
Humor me, link to it now. I'll explain later.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I guess I will not push this beyond a point. The links I was trying to put were not always to a personal blog. They were also to a community page which is constituted by an international collaborative effort to boost the overall perception about Internationalized Domain Names. Even when they were linked to the personal blog, it was only because there was no MSDN Page or a CP article which gave that kind of information. I often said that looking into the contents of the answers, the content in the link, and the nature of portal to which it was being linked, would have helped before making judgement about it being a spam. The way it is going, it is appearing that I am being pushy or trying to take it to maximum limits till I can. I sincerely do not wish to do so. I will not put any such links. It certainly limits my effort but I guess that is how it has to be. :)
Akshat J wrote:
I guess that is how it has to be. :)
This is how it is. You can either adhere to the rules of the group, or you elephant off. The current count for abuse is 2; if you go above 10, you suspended by ordinary members. And I can call in favors to achieve just that :) So, one last time and I'll make it simple. Can you play nice, or no?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Akshat J wrote:
I guess that is how it has to be. :)
This is how it is. You can either adhere to the rules of the group, or you elephant off. The current count for abuse is 2; if you go above 10, you suspended by ordinary members. And I can call in favors to achieve just that :) So, one last time and I'll make it simple. Can you play nice, or no?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You can either adhere to the rules of the group, or you elephant off.
Of course I know where I stand as a mere user on the forum. I assumed certain rules and got rebuked, hence asked in detail. Asking got termed as pushing the limits.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And I can call in favors to achieve just that :)
As a power user (hope this term does not get double quoted and taken in a wrong way) you can do what you feel like Eddy. :)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
So, one last time and I'll make it simple. Can you play nice, or no?
Thank you for making it simple. Playing nice was the intention from the very beginning, still is. I hope asking questions is not considered as "not playing nice.". Good day. :)
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Akshat J wrote:
They were also to a community page which is constituted by an international collaborative effort to boost the overall perception about Internationalized Domain Names
A what? You mean something like MSDN or this site? Then there would not be a discussion.
Akshat J wrote:
Even when they were linked to the personal blog, it was only because there was no MSDN Page or a CP article which gave that kind of information.
Oh? Please, do give a relevant example? :)
Akshat J wrote:
I often said that looking into the contents of the answers, the content in the link, and the nature of portal to which it was being linked, would have helped before making judgement about it being a spam.
Nope, it does not. You cannot expect CP to go out and judge some personal blog. Even then, none complain if I link to Joel On Software. Why not? Because it is less than 1% of my answers.
Akshat J wrote:
The way it is going, it is appearing that I am being pushy or trying to take it to maximum limits till I can. I sincerely do not wish to do so.
Oh, you are dear, even asking how for you can go. These "mods" as you call them put a lot of hours in answering questions. You did not.
Akshat J wrote:
It certainly limits my effort but I guess that is how it has to be. :)
Your choice. You behave nice, or you get kicked. The moderators are expected to be patient. I'm not. It does not limit you if you want to help. It limits you only how often you link to the same fringe-resource.
Akshat J wrote:
They were also to a community page
Humor me, link to it now. I'll explain later.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
As I said in my last message, I do not wish to drag this beyond a point and I will not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Humor me, link to it now.
Here goes. Just since you asked for examples of links that I was posting, I will give those and let you judge them for what they are. The answers were only given to questions which were specifically asking for "validation" of domain names and e-mail addresses. Initial part of the answers involved directly addressing the question posed. After that, as additional resources, the links were given. For some answers following links were provided: 1. UASG 018A UA Compliance of Some Programming Language Libraries and Frameworks EN - Universal Acceptance Steering Group (UASG)[^] 2. UASG 037 UA-Readiness of Some Programming Language Libraries and Frameworks EN - Universal Acceptance Steering Group (UASG)[^] And in some cases, to discuss in detail the general problem of why programmers end up implementing validations and cannot avoid doing them, I had linked a blog written by me on on the topic. - Ultimate goal of the Domain Name and Email ID Validation?[^] Posting it all here in the interest of full disclosure.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
These "mods" as you call them put a lot of hours in answering questions. You did not.
The term "mods" was not meant in any disrespectful way as you seem to have construed it. Of course I understand the immense amount of contribution they do. As far as not putting in the number of hours, I did not claim to either.
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As I said in my last message, I do not wish to drag this beyond a point and I will not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Humor me, link to it now.
Here goes. Just since you asked for examples of links that I was posting, I will give those and let you judge them for what they are. The answers were only given to questions which were specifically asking for "validation" of domain names and e-mail addresses. Initial part of the answers involved directly addressing the question posed. After that, as additional resources, the links were given. For some answers following links were provided: 1. UASG 018A UA Compliance of Some Programming Language Libraries and Frameworks EN - Universal Acceptance Steering Group (UASG)[^] 2. UASG 037 UA-Readiness of Some Programming Language Libraries and Frameworks EN - Universal Acceptance Steering Group (UASG)[^] And in some cases, to discuss in detail the general problem of why programmers end up implementing validations and cannot avoid doing them, I had linked a blog written by me on on the topic. - Ultimate goal of the Domain Name and Email ID Validation?[^] Posting it all here in the interest of full disclosure.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
These "mods" as you call them put a lot of hours in answering questions. You did not.
The term "mods" was not meant in any disrespectful way as you seem to have construed it. Of course I understand the immense amount of contribution they do. As far as not putting in the number of hours, I did not claim to either.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You can either adhere to the rules of the group, or you elephant off.
Of course I know where I stand as a mere user on the forum. I assumed certain rules and got rebuked, hence asked in detail. Asking got termed as pushing the limits.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And I can call in favors to achieve just that :)
As a power user (hope this term does not get double quoted and taken in a wrong way) you can do what you feel like Eddy. :)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
So, one last time and I'll make it simple. Can you play nice, or no?
Thank you for making it simple. Playing nice was the intention from the very beginning, still is. I hope asking questions is not considered as "not playing nice.". Good day. :)
Akshat J wrote:
I assumed certain rules and got rebuked, hence asked in detail
This is basic psychology and goes for every group; you do not assume, you adapt and play by the rules. If you don't, any group will lash out.
Akshat J wrote:
Asking got termed as pushing the limits
O, no; that is completely on my personal account as a fellow member; do not pretend that the site punished you in any form.
Akshat J wrote:
As a power user (hope this term does not get double quoted and taken in a wrong way) you can do what you feel like Eddy. :)
I am not a power-user, just a normal member. Power users have extra rights and responsibilities. Me being a normal member means I do not represent the site nor their opinion.
Akshat J wrote:
Playing nice was the intention from the very beginning, still is.
Good. Do an article without links and surprise me.
Akshat J wrote:
I hope asking questions is not considered as "not playing nice."
Being mean to a new member is also not nice, and I might get a warning or some downvotes. Asking questions is encouraged, as for every question you post, five more members read it with the same problem. Surprise me.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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As I said in my last message, I do not wish to drag this beyond a point and I will not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Humor me, link to it now.
Here goes. Just since you asked for examples of links that I was posting, I will give those and let you judge them for what they are. The answers were only given to questions which were specifically asking for "validation" of domain names and e-mail addresses. Initial part of the answers involved directly addressing the question posed. After that, as additional resources, the links were given. For some answers following links were provided: 1. UASG 018A UA Compliance of Some Programming Language Libraries and Frameworks EN - Universal Acceptance Steering Group (UASG)[^] 2. UASG 037 UA-Readiness of Some Programming Language Libraries and Frameworks EN - Universal Acceptance Steering Group (UASG)[^] And in some cases, to discuss in detail the general problem of why programmers end up implementing validations and cannot avoid doing them, I had linked a blog written by me on on the topic. - Ultimate goal of the Domain Name and Email ID Validation?[^] Posting it all here in the interest of full disclosure.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
These "mods" as you call them put a lot of hours in answering questions. You did not.
The term "mods" was not meant in any disrespectful way as you seem to have construed it. Of course I understand the immense amount of contribution they do. As far as not putting in the number of hours, I did not claim to either.
Thanks for the links. Fair use should already tell you that you're on the wrong path. You calling sitedriving a lesser crime is the proof, innit :D
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
