Native Americans urge Apache Software Foundation to ditch its name
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Natives in Tech, a US-based non-profit organization, has called upon the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) to change its name, out of respect for indigenous American peoples and to live up to its own code of conduct.
Coming soon: Navajo Software Foundation (what could go wrong?)
I also remember it came from "a patchy web server", but apparently the author says that's not the case
It's ironic that they're complaining about a "native" name that was actually given to them by others, probably Europeans. The Apache actually called themselves Diné, meaning "The People". Apache actually means "enemy." So I don't understand why they would care. *sigh*
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It's ironic that they're complaining about a "native" name that was actually given to them by others, probably Europeans. The Apache actually called themselves Diné, meaning "The People". Apache actually means "enemy." So I don't understand why they would care. *sigh*
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Isn't Diné the name the Navajos use for themselves? According to Wikipedia, the Apaches call themselves Indé. The Wikipedia article on the Apaches is far from definite on the origin of the name 'Apache'. One explanation is that it has its root in Spanish, but 'The ultimate origin is uncertain and lost to Spanish history', and continues: 'Another theory suggests the term comes from Yavapai ʔpačə meaning "enemy"'. For the name Navajo, I have come across two completely different explanations: Wikipedia says that "Navahu comes from the Tewa language, meaning a large area of cultivated lands." I have seen other sources claiming that the origin is from the Hopis, meaning "thief". I don't know which is correct. (I am not one who thinks that Wikipedia unconditionally and always represent The Absolute Truth!) In any case, Navajo (or Navaho) seems quite clearly not to have been given them by Europeans. Maybe there are Apache and/or Navajo members on CP who can shed light on this?
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Natives in Tech, a US-based non-profit organization, has called upon the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) to change its name, out of respect for indigenous American peoples and to live up to its own code of conduct.
Coming soon: Navajo Software Foundation (what could go wrong?)
I also remember it came from "a patchy web server", but apparently the author says that's not the case
WTE is disrespectful about naming the most widely used server software after a Native American tribe? Inquiring minds wish to know! (I assume that it actually is the name of a tribe; see trønderen's message in this thread).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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WTE is disrespectful about naming the most widely used server software after a Native American tribe? Inquiring minds wish to know! (I assume that it actually is the name of a tribe; see trønderen's message in this thread).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Because in America the left won't be happy until EVERYTHING that could POSSIBLY be considered offensive is removed. The University of Southern California has determined that the word FIELD is racist. Don't care what you think about the DailyMail but it has an image of the letter. USC's School of Social Work will stop using the term 'field' in the curriculum and practice | Daily Mail Online[^]
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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Because in America the left won't be happy until EVERYTHING that could POSSIBLY be considered offensive is removed. The University of Southern California has determined that the word FIELD is racist. Don't care what you think about the DailyMail but it has an image of the letter. USC's School of Social Work will stop using the term 'field' in the curriculum and practice | Daily Mail Online[^]
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
MarkTJohnson wrote:
the left
The request is coming from Native Americans. They are mad at what happened in their past. The topic is far more nuanced than a 'left-right' dichotomy.
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WTE is disrespectful about naming the most widely used server software after a Native American tribe? Inquiring minds wish to know! (I assume that it actually is the name of a tribe; see trønderen's message in this thread).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Not having read the story ... this is my guess of the viewpoint that wants the name change. It is using a culture's / race's identifying name for something that has absolutely nothing to do with that group. It distorts and weakens the meaning and significance of the identifier when it is used for something other than the group. When you say "Apache", there shouldn't be any question or much thought needed to know that you are referring to the Native American nation and its culture; you shouldn't have to use the surrounding context to determine tribal nation versus software. When you says Irish, you immediately know that whatever you're talking about has some connection to the Irish culture. It should be the same when you say Apache. I make no statement either way on whether I personally agree with this position. I do understand it, though.
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MarkTJohnson wrote:
the left
The request is coming from Native Americans. They are mad at what happened in their past. The topic is far more nuanced than a 'left-right' dichotomy.
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Not really. I can almost guarantee this organization donates entirely to socialist and other leftist causes.
So you can also guarantee that Native Americans aren't mad about what happened in their past, and their treatment today? I've driven across reservations. I would not want to live on them. Your point doesn't make it a pure 'left' issue. It is far more nuanced.
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So you can also guarantee that Native Americans aren't mad about what happened in their past, and their treatment today? I've driven across reservations. I would not want to live on them. Your point doesn't make it a pure 'left' issue. It is far more nuanced.
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They have every right to be mad, but the Apache Foundation isn't to blame for actions of previous generations. Taking their anger out on the innocent is the best way to continue the hatred.
Thank you for acknowledging it isn't a left/right issue.
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