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    Hi all, I wanna create setup disk of my program in VC++, I used of InstallShield in Tools menu in VC++, In my program i used Crystal Report ActiveX ... And InstallShield added ActiveX automatically to setup disk, now setup disk is ready and will run in my computer, but when i run it in other computer, windows indicate to me error: "Can not move Cry32.ocx !!!" So, what is my wrong ?????????????? Please help me ... My month article: Game programming by DirectX by Lan Mader. Please visit in: www.geocities.com/hadi_rezaie/index.html Hadi Rezaie

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      Hi all, I wanna create setup disk of my program in VC++, I used of InstallShield in Tools menu in VC++, In my program i used Crystal Report ActiveX ... And InstallShield added ActiveX automatically to setup disk, now setup disk is ready and will run in my computer, but when i run it in other computer, windows indicate to me error: "Can not move Cry32.ocx !!!" So, what is my wrong ?????????????? Please help me ... My month article: Game programming by DirectX by Lan Mader. Please visit in: www.geocities.com/hadi_rezaie/index.html Hadi Rezaie

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      I don't have a direct fix for your problem, but try using a different setup program. http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.htm The best thing about this one is that its really well documented, and easy to use. Installsheild is frankly a pain. INOSetup is totaly free. But wait theres more : there are free third party tools to use with this setup program to make your life even easier. Your problem sounds a little odd. Did the other computer already have a version installed? If so, the setup program should be able to add it to the list of files to be undated on rebooting, if the file was in use. I would not have thought this was the case. What does the docs with Crystal Reports say about redistributing the file? I thought to use CR, you had to install the complete package with your system. So you would need a fully installed copy on the other machine, rather than just a few of its controls. Giles

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        Hi all, I wanna create setup disk of my program in VC++, I used of InstallShield in Tools menu in VC++, In my program i used Crystal Report ActiveX ... And InstallShield added ActiveX automatically to setup disk, now setup disk is ready and will run in my computer, but when i run it in other computer, windows indicate to me error: "Can not move Cry32.ocx !!!" So, what is my wrong ?????????????? Please help me ... My month article: Game programming by DirectX by Lan Mader. Please visit in: www.geocities.com/hadi_rezaie/index.html Hadi Rezaie

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        First check the file group Installshield made, make sure the correct files was placed there. Make sure the settings are correct, as in install newer version or date, etc. If everything seems okay then check the client, make sure the correct file was indeed installed. Make sure it was registered properly. If you need assistance check www.installsite.org, or Installshield at http://support.installshield.com/

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          Hi all, I wanna create setup disk of my program in VC++, I used of InstallShield in Tools menu in VC++, In my program i used Crystal Report ActiveX ... And InstallShield added ActiveX automatically to setup disk, now setup disk is ready and will run in my computer, but when i run it in other computer, windows indicate to me error: "Can not move Cry32.ocx !!!" So, what is my wrong ?????????????? Please help me ... My month article: Game programming by DirectX by Lan Mader. Please visit in: www.geocities.com/hadi_rezaie/index.html Hadi Rezaie

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          I have to throw in my two cents on this again. Lose InstallShield - it's an overpriced, poorly documented piece of crap. Think about it - they offer training seminars, etc, for a price. Probably a big piece of their business. Do you really feel that an install program should require this level of training? The only reason it does is because it's such a lousy product to begin with. Use Inno - it is superior to InstallShield in every possible way - not least it's price. Support is available through newsgroups on Jordan's site if needed, but frankly it's so easy to use and so well documented I've never had a problem with it. I also recommend using TafWeb's 'ScriptMaker' - a 3rd party GUI that makes Inno a real snap to learn and use. There's a link to it on Jordan's site. Dave R

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            I have to throw in my two cents on this again. Lose InstallShield - it's an overpriced, poorly documented piece of crap. Think about it - they offer training seminars, etc, for a price. Probably a big piece of their business. Do you really feel that an install program should require this level of training? The only reason it does is because it's such a lousy product to begin with. Use Inno - it is superior to InstallShield in every possible way - not least it's price. Support is available through newsgroups on Jordan's site if needed, but frankly it's so easy to use and so well documented I've never had a problem with it. I also recommend using TafWeb's 'ScriptMaker' - a 3rd party GUI that makes Inno a real snap to learn and use. There's a link to it on Jordan's site. Dave R

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            it's an overpriced, poorly documented piece of crap. I'll agree that Installshield is overpriced. However, how can you say it is poorly documented? How many books are published covering Inno? Three that I know of for Installshield and more on the way. Support is available through newsgroups on Jordan's site if needed Installshield also has newsgroups and a well maintained information site at www.installsite.org as well as the Installshield support site. they offer training seminars, etc, for a price Oracle offers training class for their products, as due many other companies. Is this reason enough to switch? What is the problem with offering training for their own products? I would rather attend a class given by the people who wrote it than some training company employee who read the documentation the night before the class. using TafWeb's 'ScriptMaker' - a 3rd party GUI that makes Inno a real snap to learn and use. With Installshield you need nothing else to learn and use the it. I've said it before on this subject, most opinions of your nature come from one who is uninformed and has not taken the time to learn the tool properly.

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              it's an overpriced, poorly documented piece of crap. I'll agree that Installshield is overpriced. However, how can you say it is poorly documented? How many books are published covering Inno? Three that I know of for Installshield and more on the way. Support is available through newsgroups on Jordan's site if needed Installshield also has newsgroups and a well maintained information site at www.installsite.org as well as the Installshield support site. they offer training seminars, etc, for a price Oracle offers training class for their products, as due many other companies. Is this reason enough to switch? What is the problem with offering training for their own products? I would rather attend a class given by the people who wrote it than some training company employee who read the documentation the night before the class. using TafWeb's 'ScriptMaker' - a 3rd party GUI that makes Inno a real snap to learn and use. With Installshield you need nothing else to learn and use the it. I've said it before on this subject, most opinions of your nature come from one who is uninformed and has not taken the time to learn the tool properly.

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              How many books are published covering Inno? Three that I know of for Installshield and more on the way. I'd say that if anything that just reinforces my point. Personally, I have better things to do with my time than read three books on how to use an installation tool. Oracle offers training class for their products, as due many other companies. Is this reason enough to switch? So you compare the complexity of InstallShield to that of Oracle's products? I've said it before on this subject, most opinions of your nature come from one who is uninformed and has not taken the time to learn the tool properly. Right. Any opinions that differ from your own are uninformed. Grow up. Dave R

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                Hi all, I wanna create setup disk of my program in VC++, I used of InstallShield in Tools menu in VC++, In my program i used Crystal Report ActiveX ... And InstallShield added ActiveX automatically to setup disk, now setup disk is ready and will run in my computer, but when i run it in other computer, windows indicate to me error: "Can not move Cry32.ocx !!!" So, what is my wrong ?????????????? Please help me ... My month article: Game programming by DirectX by Lan Mader. Please visit in: www.geocities.com/hadi_rezaie/index.html Hadi Rezaie

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                Please check wheather you are building the setup a Full build or Quick Build, you should use Full build while distrubuting A

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                  How many books are published covering Inno? Three that I know of for Installshield and more on the way. I'd say that if anything that just reinforces my point. Personally, I have better things to do with my time than read three books on how to use an installation tool. Oracle offers training class for their products, as due many other companies. Is this reason enough to switch? So you compare the complexity of InstallShield to that of Oracle's products? I've said it before on this subject, most opinions of your nature come from one who is uninformed and has not taken the time to learn the tool properly. Right. Any opinions that differ from your own are uninformed. Grow up. Dave R

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                  Use Inno - superior to InstallShield in every possible way Your opinion. I did not criticize you for it. Nor did I respond with "grow up". I took some of your arguments and pointed out where you were misinformed. In your original post you stated that, in your opinion, Installshield was not well documented. I countered by offering evidence that indeed there was a wealth of information available. You countered with Personally, I have better things to do with my time than read three books on how to use an installation tool. How many books have you read on programming languages? Is Visual C++ "lousy" because you needed to read documentation to get the most from it? You also stated that you felt Installshield was a "lousy" product because they offerd training in how to use it. I countered by pointing out that Oricale and others do the same. Your implication is that if a company offers training then their product is "lousy". Again you stated that Inno has a newsgroup and support site and I countered that Installshield has the same offerings. Right. Any opinions that differ from your own are uninformed. It seems that you embody this statement more than I.

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                    Hi all, I wanna create setup disk of my program in VC++, I used of InstallShield in Tools menu in VC++, In my program i used Crystal Report ActiveX ... And InstallShield added ActiveX automatically to setup disk, now setup disk is ready and will run in my computer, but when i run it in other computer, windows indicate to me error: "Can not move Cry32.ocx !!!" So, what is my wrong ?????????????? Please help me ... My month article: Game programming by DirectX by Lan Mader. Please visit in: www.geocities.com/hadi_rezaie/index.html Hadi Rezaie

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                    I would say that the problem is related to an issue involved on trying to copy and then delete the specified file from the source media type. I am saying this based on the error message "Can not move Cry32.ocx". This usually happens when in the Files tab of InstallShield, your file is a "link" rather than a "copy". Why don't you try first to check this. The problem with a "link" is that InstallShield creates or generates a setup based on a reference link to the file in question rather than a copy from the file itself. In your computer works because the "link" could be resolved perfectly, but not in another environment, even if the target computer has already installed the Crystal components. I used InstallShield for some time, and now I have changed to MSI. This is the Windows Installer SDK. It is far powerful than any other installation tool I have seen, because the core is a service of the operating system. That means, that your code could be 100% resilient. This is such a great feature! On the other hand, it has the install on demand characteristic plus the ability to provide your own UI dialogs. Well this is my personal point of view, and as always, every one will have their favorite tools, and perspective. So maybe you want to try the tools refered by the other guys and at the end make your own decision.:|

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