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Biologist says the sun may be conscious

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    Kent Sharkey
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    The Byte[^]:

    "Consciousness does not need to be confined to brains."

    Blurb writer says the biologist has been hitting the bong too hard edit: changed to singular. Shane agrees with the guy. Bob is out of the office today.

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      The Byte[^]:

      "Consciousness does not need to be confined to brains."

      Blurb writer says the biologist has been hitting the bong too hard edit: changed to singular. Shane agrees with the guy. Bob is out of the office today.

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      Two men and a bong...outta be a TV series? :)

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        The Byte[^]:

        "Consciousness does not need to be confined to brains."

        Blurb writer says the biologist has been hitting the bong too hard edit: changed to singular. Shane agrees with the guy. Bob is out of the office today.

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        I asked ChatGPT 3.5 about this...

        Q&A with chatGPT

        My Question: A biologist recently claimed that the sun may be conscious. Is the sun conscious? ChatGPT The claim that the sun may be conscious is not supported by scientific evidence and is highly speculative. Consciousness, as understood in scientific terms, generally requires a complex nervous system or brain, which the sun does not possess. The sun is a massive, luminous sphere of hot plasma, and while it plays a crucial role in sustaining life on Earth, attributing consciousness to it falls outside the realm of scientific inquiry. Consciousness is a topic of ongoing scientific study and philosophical debate, primarily concerning living organisms with nervous systems. While some philosophical or speculative discussions might entertain unconventional ideas such as panpsychism (the notion that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe), these ideas typically lack empirical support within the scientific community. Without empirical evidence or a theoretical framework to support the idea that the sun is conscious, it remains firmly in the realm of speculation rather than scientific fact.

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          I asked ChatGPT 3.5 about this...

          Q&A with chatGPT

          My Question: A biologist recently claimed that the sun may be conscious. Is the sun conscious? ChatGPT The claim that the sun may be conscious is not supported by scientific evidence and is highly speculative. Consciousness, as understood in scientific terms, generally requires a complex nervous system or brain, which the sun does not possess. The sun is a massive, luminous sphere of hot plasma, and while it plays a crucial role in sustaining life on Earth, attributing consciousness to it falls outside the realm of scientific inquiry. Consciousness is a topic of ongoing scientific study and philosophical debate, primarily concerning living organisms with nervous systems. While some philosophical or speculative discussions might entertain unconventional ideas such as panpsychism (the notion that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe), these ideas typically lack empirical support within the scientific community. Without empirical evidence or a theoretical framework to support the idea that the sun is conscious, it remains firmly in the realm of speculation rather than scientific fact.

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          fgs1963
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          Google Gemini had this to say to the same prompt.

          Gemini:

          The idea of a conscious sun is a fascinating one, but there isn't scientific consensus to support it. Here are two main viewpoints: Panpsychism: This philosophical theory suggests that all matter, including the sun, possesses some level of consciousness. Proponents like biologist Rupert Sheldrake believe consciousness isn't limited to brains and could be linked to electromagnetic fields, which the sun obviously has [1]. Scientific Skepticism: Most scientists believe consciousness arises from complex nervous systems, which the sun lacks. They point out the sun's behavior is dictated by physical laws, not conscious choices. So, while the idea is thought-provoking, there's no hard evidence for a conscious sun.

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          • raddevusR raddevus

            I asked ChatGPT 3.5 about this...

            Q&A with chatGPT

            My Question: A biologist recently claimed that the sun may be conscious. Is the sun conscious? ChatGPT The claim that the sun may be conscious is not supported by scientific evidence and is highly speculative. Consciousness, as understood in scientific terms, generally requires a complex nervous system or brain, which the sun does not possess. The sun is a massive, luminous sphere of hot plasma, and while it plays a crucial role in sustaining life on Earth, attributing consciousness to it falls outside the realm of scientific inquiry. Consciousness is a topic of ongoing scientific study and philosophical debate, primarily concerning living organisms with nervous systems. While some philosophical or speculative discussions might entertain unconventional ideas such as panpsychism (the notion that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe), these ideas typically lack empirical support within the scientific community. Without empirical evidence or a theoretical framework to support the idea that the sun is conscious, it remains firmly in the realm of speculation rather than scientific fact.

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            Kent Sharkey
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            Smarter than some (well, one at least) biologists.

            TTFN - Kent

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            • K Kent Sharkey

              The Byte[^]:

              "Consciousness does not need to be confined to brains."

              Blurb writer says the biologist has been hitting the bong too hard edit: changed to singular. Shane agrees with the guy. Bob is out of the office today.

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              Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

              There are no solutions, only trade-offs.
                 - Thomas Sowell

              A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
                 - Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)

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                Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

                There are no solutions, only trade-offs.
                   - Thomas Sowell

                A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
                   - Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)

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                honey the codewitch
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                but what if I really believe it very strongly? and can convince enough other people? and we start worshipping it? *hides*

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                • K Kent Sharkey

                  The Byte[^]:

                  "Consciousness does not need to be confined to brains."

                  Blurb writer says the biologist has been hitting the bong too hard edit: changed to singular. Shane agrees with the guy. Bob is out of the office today.

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                  I think that is very true. Nature is geared towards reproduction, and for this area, the brain of men and women is not located in the head. :-O

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                  • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                    but what if I really believe it very strongly? and can convince enough other people? and we start worshipping it? *hides*

                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                    Ra! Ra! Ra!

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                    • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                      but what if I really believe it very strongly? and can convince enough other people? and we start worshipping it? *hides*

                      Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                      honey the codewitch wrote:

                      and we start worshipping it?

                      Worship has been replaced by social media. :sigh:

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                        honey the codewitch wrote:

                        and we start worshipping it?

                        Worship has been replaced by social media. :sigh:

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                        Jorgen Andersson
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                        Marc Clifton wrote:

                        Worship has been replaced by merged with social media.

                        ftfy :sigh:

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                        • K Kent Sharkey

                          The Byte[^]:

                          "Consciousness does not need to be confined to brains."

                          Blurb writer says the biologist has been hitting the bong too hard edit: changed to singular. Shane agrees with the guy. Bob is out of the office today.

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                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                            but what if I really believe it very strongly? and can convince enough other people? and we start worshipping it? *hides*

                            Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                            Daniel Pfeffer
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                            Many people believe very strongly in astrology. Nevertheless, it is absolute nonsense. Why should Sun-worship be treated differently?

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                              Many people believe very strongly in astrology. Nevertheless, it is absolute nonsense. Why should Sun-worship be treated differently?

                              Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                              honey the codewitch
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                              That was rather the point of my comment, which was written with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

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                              • K Kent Sharkey

                                The Byte[^]:

                                "Consciousness does not need to be confined to brains."

                                Blurb writer says the biologist has been hitting the bong too hard edit: changed to singular. Shane agrees with the guy. Bob is out of the office today.

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                                  Google Gemini had this to say to the same prompt.

                                  Gemini:

                                  The idea of a conscious sun is a fascinating one, but there isn't scientific consensus to support it. Here are two main viewpoints: Panpsychism: This philosophical theory suggests that all matter, including the sun, possesses some level of consciousness. Proponents like biologist Rupert Sheldrake believe consciousness isn't limited to brains and could be linked to electromagnetic fields, which the sun obviously has [1]. Scientific Skepticism: Most scientists believe consciousness arises from complex nervous systems, which the sun lacks. They point out the sun's behavior is dictated by physical laws, not conscious choices. So, while the idea is thought-provoking, there's no hard evidence for a conscious sun.

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                                  Nelek
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                                  fgs1963 wrote:

                                  Panpsychism: This philosophical theory suggests that all matter, including the sun, possesses some level of consciousness.

                                  I prefer the Jedi one :rolleyes: :-D

                                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                  • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                                    but what if I really believe it very strongly? and can convince enough other people? and we start worshipping it? *hides*

                                    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                    Evidences are overrated: - People that believe, do not need evidences. - People that don't believe, do not want evidences. :rolleyes: :-D

                                    honey the codewitch wrote:

                                    and we start worshipping it?

                                    That would not be the first time... some past civilizations did it.

                                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                    • M Marc Clifton

                                      honey the codewitch wrote:

                                      and we start worshipping it?

                                      Worship has been replaced by social media. :sigh:

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                                      TNCaver
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                                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                                      Worship has been replaced by social media

                                      I'm inclined to believe Social Media are the cathedrals of self-worship.

                                      There are no solutions, only trade-offs.
                                         - Thomas Sowell

                                      A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
                                         - Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)

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                                      • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                                        but what if I really believe it very strongly? and can convince enough other people? and we start worshipping it? *hides*

                                        Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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                                        TNCaver
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                                        honey the codewitch wrote:

                                        and we start worshipping it?

                                        Fine, as long as snakes aren't involved.

                                        There are no solutions, only trade-offs.
                                           - Thomas Sowell

                                        A day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
                                           - Calvin (Bill Watterson, Calvin & Hobbes)

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                                          Ra! Ra! Ra!

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                                          :thumbsup: Same thought over here ... :-)

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