The rise and fall of Stack Overflow | InfoWorld
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I still appreciate it, but I am hesitant to ask questions there. I largely agree with the article regarding the points it makes about SO culture issues.
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From the above mentioned article The rise and fall of Stack Overflow | InfoWorld[^] : "But it soon became the culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions. The comments explaining why questions were bad were not always friendly or gentle, and the newbies—who didn’t understand the mission of Stack Overflow and who just wanted to get their questions answered—would often leave with a bad taste in their mouth." Same [culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions] happens every day here at CP website!
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From the above mentioned article The rise and fall of Stack Overflow | InfoWorld[^] : "But it soon became the culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions. The comments explaining why questions were bad were not always friendly or gentle, and the newbies—who didn’t understand the mission of Stack Overflow and who just wanted to get their questions answered—would often leave with a bad taste in their mouth." Same [culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions] happens every day here at CP website!
Jo_vb.net wrote:
Same [culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions] happens every day here at CP website!
I dare to disagree. There are a handful of common rejections here at CP: * We are not going to do your homework for you. * You have not (by far) given enough information for anyone to help you - please provide more info. * Please ask your question in a single forum, do not multipost in two or more forums. * This question does not belong in this forum - please move it to 'xxx'. * What have you tried yourself to solve your problem? * You say that the result is 'wrong' - so what is the result, and what did you expect? I have seen these responses several times (some of them many times!), but they tend to be well justified and to the point. Maybe novices - in particular those so novice that they just state their homework assignment and expect to get an answer to hand in - feel it as bad rejection that the potential helpers cannot read their mind, and knows nothing about the context for the question. But that reality: Until you provide the information needed by the helper, the helper can't help you. Such is life, and it is getting sucher and sucher. I have often been impressed by the efforts some of the helpers make to understand the question/problem, and to provide a helping answer. I have also followed SO for a number of years, and asked a few questions myself, years ago, but was shocked by the style of the responses I received. So I concluded that for my needs, SO has no value as a forum for asking for help. I sometimes search for information, but if I don't find it, or find something that is possible to understand, I do not ask for anything. I don't like being spit in the face. In my opinion, comparing the support culture at CP to that of SO is a shame. CP is a very friendly and helpful forum by most standards - nothing like SO. But of course: If you feel rejected at CP, repeat your question at SO to really learn what 'rejection' is. If you prefer their style, you're welcome to stay with SO!
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Jo_vb.net wrote:
Same [culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions] happens every day here at CP website!
I dare to disagree. There are a handful of common rejections here at CP: * We are not going to do your homework for you. * You have not (by far) given enough information for anyone to help you - please provide more info. * Please ask your question in a single forum, do not multipost in two or more forums. * This question does not belong in this forum - please move it to 'xxx'. * What have you tried yourself to solve your problem? * You say that the result is 'wrong' - so what is the result, and what did you expect? I have seen these responses several times (some of them many times!), but they tend to be well justified and to the point. Maybe novices - in particular those so novice that they just state their homework assignment and expect to get an answer to hand in - feel it as bad rejection that the potential helpers cannot read their mind, and knows nothing about the context for the question. But that reality: Until you provide the information needed by the helper, the helper can't help you. Such is life, and it is getting sucher and sucher. I have often been impressed by the efforts some of the helpers make to understand the question/problem, and to provide a helping answer. I have also followed SO for a number of years, and asked a few questions myself, years ago, but was shocked by the style of the responses I received. So I concluded that for my needs, SO has no value as a forum for asking for help. I sometimes search for information, but if I don't find it, or find something that is possible to understand, I do not ask for anything. I don't like being spit in the face. In my opinion, comparing the support culture at CP to that of SO is a shame. CP is a very friendly and helpful forum by most standards - nothing like SO. But of course: If you feel rejected at CP, repeat your question at SO to really learn what 'rejection' is. If you prefer their style, you're welcome to stay with SO!
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
"But of course: If you feel rejected at CP"... LOL It's easy when you don't have to moderate anything I guess. I suppose the way my psyche wants it to work is more at home on IRC or Discord or something. I don't know why we can let organic discussion unfold in real-time in a place like that but when it's posts on a board with a (presumed) slower exchange rate it gives some people anxiety.
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Jo_vb.net wrote:
Same [culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions] happens every day here at CP website!
I dare to disagree. There are a handful of common rejections here at CP: * We are not going to do your homework for you. * You have not (by far) given enough information for anyone to help you - please provide more info. * Please ask your question in a single forum, do not multipost in two or more forums. * This question does not belong in this forum - please move it to 'xxx'. * What have you tried yourself to solve your problem? * You say that the result is 'wrong' - so what is the result, and what did you expect? I have seen these responses several times (some of them many times!), but they tend to be well justified and to the point. Maybe novices - in particular those so novice that they just state their homework assignment and expect to get an answer to hand in - feel it as bad rejection that the potential helpers cannot read their mind, and knows nothing about the context for the question. But that reality: Until you provide the information needed by the helper, the helper can't help you. Such is life, and it is getting sucher and sucher. I have often been impressed by the efforts some of the helpers make to understand the question/problem, and to provide a helping answer. I have also followed SO for a number of years, and asked a few questions myself, years ago, but was shocked by the style of the responses I received. So I concluded that for my needs, SO has no value as a forum for asking for help. I sometimes search for information, but if I don't find it, or find something that is possible to understand, I do not ask for anything. I don't like being spit in the face. In my opinion, comparing the support culture at CP to that of SO is a shame. CP is a very friendly and helpful forum by most standards - nothing like SO. But of course: If you feel rejected at CP, repeat your question at SO to really learn what 'rejection' is. If you prefer their style, you're welcome to stay with SO!
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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Arrogant and rude
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Somehow I don't think they'd be willing to adopt that as their new motto! :laugh:
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I tried to answer a question at SO. I had literally just solved the same problem. I was told, in no uncertain terms, that I wasn't trusted. :elephant: off, Stack Overflow.
I came this close to telling one of their mods precisely that but stopped because meeting rudeness with rudeness is seldom productive, and the site does have a lot of good information.
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From the above mentioned article The rise and fall of Stack Overflow | InfoWorld[^] : "But it soon became the culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions. The comments explaining why questions were bad were not always friendly or gentle, and the newbies—who didn’t understand the mission of Stack Overflow and who just wanted to get their questions answered—would often leave with a bad taste in their mouth." Same [culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions] happens every day here at CP website!
Jo_vb.net wrote:
Same [culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions] happens every day here at CP website!
by veeeerryyy far not so bad as SO. And here people that answer / comment still are way more polite than over there.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Jo_vb.net wrote:
Same [culture to rather bluntly vote down these bad-according-to-standards questions] happens every day here at CP website!
by veeeerryyy far not so bad as SO. And here people that answer / comment still are way more polite than over there.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Rating those questions with only one star is not nice. And I remember the times when someone made strange changes to those messages [and faked it]. Not as poor as SO but not fine.
Jo_vb.net wrote:
Rating those questions with only one star is not nice.
I never rate down questions of newbies, I jut rate down messages of lazy people that think we are their servants and they have right to everything. And that downvote is more than deserved
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
