Al-Queda with nukes?
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Mike Mullikin wrote: If we did to Afghanistan what we did for 3000 lives lost and did to Iraq what we did for [pick your reason(s) or lack thereof] what are we capable of if 100,000 lives are taken? That is a very interesting question. What response can you give to the use of weapons of mass destruction against a civilian population? In the cold war, the answer was simple. Russian nuked the US, the US nuked the Russians. Against terrorist groups, you are rather stuck for options. The US has probably done all it can in Afghanistan. Against an enemy who has no fixed location, it is very hard to retaliate in measures that are approriate. Unless you had evidence that a country was behind it, you are rather stuck for a response. All you can do is hunt down those behind it, but as we have seen since 9/11 - the bastards are very hard to find. Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
Michael P Butler wrote: All you can do is hunt down those behind it, but as we have seen since 9/11 - the bastards are very hard to find. If the terrorists did something like this it could very well cause WWIII. The US would go after every nation on the list of state sponsors of terror. We would severly restrict all transit through the US - with a negative impact on our economy. We would scale up our military - with a negative impact on our economy. THen we would request/demand that our fair-weather friends in Europe joined us in our efforts. When those countries failed to join us we would ignore their borders as we flew our aircraft where we needed to. If one of our planes was shot down by France, well. There it goes. If only the terrorists were too dumb to figure out that most European countries would be content to buy their temporary safety instead of joining the righteous fight........ We would order all people out of the mountains in Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, etc. and fly 24 hour patrol flights and call in airstrikes on ANY heat sources in those mountains. Ugly but effective. Time for all of those people to join us in the 21st century. Kicking and screaming if need be.
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John M. Drescher wrote: This is furthur proof that we need to track down Al Qaid ok .. Bush persuaded you. John M. Drescher wrote: in whatever country they are and kill every last one of them. I think your search should be more precise.. even if you fight terrorism, no excuse for killing innocents.
He said Al Quaeda - if they are Al Quaeda they are not innocents. Every 10 year old kid who goes to those madrasas that preach anti-western fundamentalism are nothing but ticking time bombs as well.
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"crusade" this is the word i wanted to use.. sorry for bad english :) we uslims , arabs :define crusade wars as : the wars happend 1000 years ago between muslims and europe in palestine (the holly land) We believe that bush ment this.. I have to go .. Jason i'll be happy to continue this conversataion later :)
hspc wrote: "crusade" this is the word i wanted to use.. sorry for bad english we uslims , arabs :define crusade wars as : the wars happend 1000 years ago between muslims and europe in palestine (the holly land) We believe that bush ment this.. You can believe whatever you want - you probably believe that if you die a martyr you'll get to have sex with lots of virgins and other stupid bullshit lies too. The fact is - crusade is a general word in the English language. It is used for many things. If you want to cry about 1 meaning of Crusade go ahead. And eat a pork chop with your left hand while you are at it.
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hspc wrote: I didn't post this for real idiots that don't believe any religion :zzz: You are a boring hypocrite. I hope you waste your life praying and linger on your death bed in agony realizing you could have actually had fun during your wasted life. And I didn't mean what I just wrote if you aren't first calling me an idiot :) hspc wrote: thinking that they live to eat,drink,have sex,, Better than believing you are born to be a slave to some sadistic freak diety who will torture you forever if you don't slaveringly follow all of his asinine rules.
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hspc wrote: innocent ppl that the american army kills As an FYI (I'm sure you are intelligent enough to already know this, but just in case you aren't): If America never used it's military there would be millions more "innocents" dead today. For every innocent we accidentally kill while combatting evil we save 10 thousand.
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Al Qaida commander 'anticipates' 100,000 Americans dead in attack ... In regard to rumors about a large-scale attack against the U.S. during the month of Ramadan, Al-Hijazi said that "a huge and very courageous strike" will take place and that the number of infidels expected to be killed in this attack, according to primary estimates, exceeds 100,000. He added that he "anticipates, but will not swear, that the attack will happen during Ramadan." He further stated that the attack will be carried out in a way that will "amaze the world and turn Al Qaida into [an organization that] horrifies the world until the law of Allah is implemented, actually implemented, and not just in words, on His land... You wait and see that the balance of power between Al Qaida and its rivals will change, all of a sudden, Allah willing." http://216.26.163.62/2003/me_terror_11_13.html[^] Sounds like they're talking about a nuke. Though, hollow threats are also part of their methods. It would certainly alter things if Al-Queda proved that they had nuclear capability. (BTW, I didn't post this as a sneaky counterargument to the "Bush/Clinton is scaring us into despotism" post immediately preceeding this one.) ------------------------------------------ The ousted but stubbornly non-dead leader reportedly released an audiotape this weekend, ending by calling on Iraqis to, quote, "resist the occupation in any way you can, from writing on walls, to boycotting, to demonstrating and taking up arms." adding, "you know, pretty much anything I used to kill you for." - The Daily Show
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JoeSox wrote: So in order to be more "productive" a strike against Washington DC would where I would place my money on the proposed target. IMO, New York would be a better target. In Washington you'd only be killing political types, we can always find more of them. Hitting Wall Street would do a lot more damage to the US, especially with the EMP effect. Michael 'Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.' - The Doctor: The Wheel in Space
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so now it's Al-Queida scaring you into despotism?
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so now it's Al-Queida scaring you into despotism?
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mlog || Agile Programming | doxygenpeterchen wrote: so now it's Al-Queida scaring you into despotism? (1) "I didn't post this as a sneaky counterargument to the "Bush/Clinton is scaring us into despotism" post immediately preceeding this one." (2) The claims of American despotism are based on assumptions of a trajectory in US politics and claims that the US is "trumping up" the fear factor. If the fear factor is not being trumped up by the US government (if, in fact, it is true that Al-Queda could plausibly obtain nuclear weapons in the future) then the "tragectory" arguement is substantially weakened because it shows that the US government is acting rationally to a real threat, not creating an imaginary threat as part of a conspiracy to move to despotism. BTW, don't be surprised if I don't reply to you in the future. Sometimes I just write you off as unconvincable; not entirely different than arguing with a linux or mac zealot. ------------------------------------------ The ousted but stubbornly non-dead leader reportedly released an audiotape this weekend, ending by calling on Iraqis to, quote, "resist the occupation in any way you can, from writing on walls, to boycotting, to demonstrating and taking up arms." adding, "you know, pretty much anything I used to kill you for." - The Daily Show
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peterchen wrote: so now it's Al-Queida scaring you into despotism? (1) "I didn't post this as a sneaky counterargument to the "Bush/Clinton is scaring us into despotism" post immediately preceeding this one." (2) The claims of American despotism are based on assumptions of a trajectory in US politics and claims that the US is "trumping up" the fear factor. If the fear factor is not being trumped up by the US government (if, in fact, it is true that Al-Queda could plausibly obtain nuclear weapons in the future) then the "tragectory" arguement is substantially weakened because it shows that the US government is acting rationally to a real threat, not creating an imaginary threat as part of a conspiracy to move to despotism. BTW, don't be surprised if I don't reply to you in the future. Sometimes I just write you off as unconvincable; not entirely different than arguing with a linux or mac zealot. ------------------------------------------ The ousted but stubbornly non-dead leader reportedly released an audiotape this weekend, ending by calling on Iraqis to, quote, "resist the occupation in any way you can, from writing on walls, to boycotting, to demonstrating and taking up arms." adding, "you know, pretty much anything I used to kill you for." - The Daily Show
(1) I understood that, but I was making the connnection (2) Brit wrote: The claims of American despotism are based on assumptions of a trajectory in US politics and claims Yes, it's trajectory, the US ain't there yet, but the nose is pointing into the right direction. But... (it had to come ;)) Despotism doesn't necessarily appear because makes a "Next year I want to be dictator" new years resolution. A few points are enough: A perceived or real threat, the conviction that "the public" (or at least, your non-followers) are to stupid to understand how things work/are/must be handled, and a powerful desire to keep in control. Fear is strong instrument of control, it's very natural and oh sooo nonviolent. And it can make tons of money for the right people. If Al-Queida has nukes, this has some other implication besides the Al-Queida threat rating: It pokes a gaping hole into the "balance of power" doctrine, nukes don't protect you from being nuked. I'm all in for any administration to react on a threat. Butthe way the Bush administration reacts, and the people it allows to catch up with the new wind, is dangerous. Secondary, a threat not necessarily has to mean fear. Are you afraid of Cancer? Heart Attack? The slightly odd guy next door that got laid off lately? Fear is a fast first-shot decision-maker. On the long term, it's devastating
Brit wrote: Sometimes I just write you off as unconvincable With some things I am. I'll never be convinced that "it can never happen to the US", whatever reasons are brought forward. I'll strongly doubt that killing terrorists kills terrorism, and this will remain for decades. Brit wrote: not entirely different than arguing with a linux or mac zealot doesn't bite.
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