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Can someone explain this to me. I understand that issuing a marriage license to same sex couples in California is against the law. In fact, it is a criminal offense. So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Furthermore, since the licenses were obtained illegally then they aren't binding right? So those couples who thought they got married really aren't? This is not a post about whether or not same sex marriages should be legal. I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California.
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Can someone explain this to me. I understand that issuing a marriage license to same sex couples in California is against the law. In fact, it is a criminal offense. So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Furthermore, since the licenses were obtained illegally then they aren't binding right? So those couples who thought they got married really aren't? This is not a post about whether or not same sex marriages should be legal. I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California.
Laws? instead of worring abou gay people getting married, i guess ppl should so something about the Guns that is available like toys.
Prakash, India.
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Laws? instead of worring abou gay people getting married, i guess ppl should so something about the Guns that is available like toys.
Prakash, India.
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Laws? instead of worring abou gay people getting married, i guess ppl should so something about the Guns that is available like toys.
Prakash, India.
Perhaps you should start a thread discussing gun control, and the pros/cons of realistic looking toys. ;) BW CP Member Homepages
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Can someone explain this to me. I understand that issuing a marriage license to same sex couples in California is against the law. In fact, it is a criminal offense. So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Furthermore, since the licenses were obtained illegally then they aren't binding right? So those couples who thought they got married really aren't? This is not a post about whether or not same sex marriages should be legal. I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California.
Brian Gideon wrote: So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Though I admit I'm not really following that issue, I wondered about this bit myself. Seems pretty cut and dried to me. Even if noone goes to trial, it seems a statement that the licenses are not inding would be in order. BW CP Member Homepages
"...take what you need and leave the rest..."
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Laws? instead of worring abou gay people getting married, i guess ppl should so something about the Guns that is available like toys.
Prakash, India.
But but, people do do something about the "Guns that is available like toys". They either buy them or they don't. They have a choice. Do you have that choice? Do you like having choices? Tell us Mr.Prakash, we're dying to know. ;P Regards, Alvaro BTW, last I checked buying a toy truck does not require a waiting period or background check.
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Thank you for clearing this up. I had no idea that the proliferation of guns played such an important role in marriage laws.
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Can someone explain this to me. I understand that issuing a marriage license to same sex couples in California is against the law. In fact, it is a criminal offense. So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Furthermore, since the licenses were obtained illegally then they aren't binding right? So those couples who thought they got married really aren't? This is not a post about whether or not same sex marriages should be legal. I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California.
Brian Gideon wrote: So why isn't anyone getting arrested? the mayor apparently claims it's not illegal, or that the law forbidding it is unconstitutional (CA state constitution). so it's not really clear if he's breaking a law or not. there are lawsuits pending on both sides of the issue. at least that's what the news networks tell me. if Schwollenpecker wanted to send in the CA state troopers to arrest the mayor, he probably could - after all, he did say they represent "an imminent risk to civil order". Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Can someone explain this to me. I understand that issuing a marriage license to same sex couples in California is against the law. In fact, it is a criminal offense. So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Furthermore, since the licenses were obtained illegally then they aren't binding right? So those couples who thought they got married really aren't? This is not a post about whether or not same sex marriages should be legal. I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California.
Brian Gideon wrote: I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California. I also wonder..:wtf: how such sexual relations (out of mariage) are not forbidden ?
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Can someone explain this to me. I understand that issuing a marriage license to same sex couples in California is against the law. In fact, it is a criminal offense. So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Furthermore, since the licenses were obtained illegally then they aren't binding right? So those couples who thought they got married really aren't? This is not a post about whether or not same sex marriages should be legal. I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California.
What is doubly interesting is what occured when a judge in Alabama broke the law in defense of traditional values juxtaposed to what happens in California when an official breaks the law to subvert those values. In the former case, the feds wasted no time in ignoring states rights to intervene to stop the judge. In the latter case, even the state authorities are loath to take any legal action what so ever. Very interesting. Very revealing. The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under then name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened. - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential candidate
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Can someone explain this to me. I understand that issuing a marriage license to same sex couples in California is against the law. In fact, it is a criminal offense. So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Furthermore, since the licenses were obtained illegally then they aren't binding right? So those couples who thought they got married really aren't? This is not a post about whether or not same sex marriages should be legal. I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California.
AFAIK, Newsom is claiming that the law against same-sex marriage is unconstitutional because it violates equal protection rights, so he's in effect demanding that the law be struck down. It is similar to Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka[^], bringing up the issue of "Separate but Equal" not really being equal.
Jon Sagara Vegetarianism is unhealthy. Humans need protein, and lots of it. Put down those sprouts and pick up a T-bone! -- Michael Moore
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Brian Gideon wrote: So why isn't anyone getting arrested? the mayor apparently claims it's not illegal, or that the law forbidding it is unconstitutional (CA state constitution). so it's not really clear if he's breaking a law or not. there are lawsuits pending on both sides of the issue. at least that's what the news networks tell me. if Schwollenpecker wanted to send in the CA state troopers to arrest the mayor, he probably could - after all, he did say they represent "an imminent risk to civil order". Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
Chris Losinger wrote: Schwollenpecker :laugh: Did you come up with that one? Regards, Alvaro
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What is doubly interesting is what occured when a judge in Alabama broke the law in defense of traditional values juxtaposed to what happens in California when an official breaks the law to subvert those values. In the former case, the feds wasted no time in ignoring states rights to intervene to stop the judge. In the latter case, even the state authorities are loath to take any legal action what so ever. Very interesting. Very revealing. The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under then name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened. - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential candidate
Stan Shannon wrote: Very interesting. Very revealing. Touché. Thanks for bringing that up. [EDIT] I think the distinction is that in Alabama, the judge's actions were deemed to be in violation of the Constitution, whereas in CA the mayor is using the state constitution to override a state statute. So in AL the judge was automatically in violation of the law, but in CA it is not yet clear whether Newsom is violating the law. [/EDIT]
Jon Sagara Vegetarianism is unhealthy. Humans need protein, and lots of it. Put down those sprouts and pick up a T-bone! -- Michael Moore
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What is doubly interesting is what occured when a judge in Alabama broke the law in defense of traditional values juxtaposed to what happens in California when an official breaks the law to subvert those values. In the former case, the feds wasted no time in ignoring states rights to intervene to stop the judge. In the latter case, even the state authorities are loath to take any legal action what so ever. Very interesting. Very revealing. The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under then name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened. - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential candidate
Stan Shannon wrote: the feds wasted no time in ignoring states rights to intervene to stop the judge you're full of it. he unveiled the monument August 1, 2001. the ACLU, not "the feds" sued in Jan 02. the federal district court didn't rule against Moore until November 2002 - that's more than a year afterwards. and, then the order was stayed, by the same judge in Jan 03. and the thing stayed there until late 03. that's more than two years, of course. yeah, no time wasted at all. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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What is doubly interesting is what occured when a judge in Alabama broke the law in defense of traditional values juxtaposed to what happens in California when an official breaks the law to subvert those values. In the former case, the feds wasted no time in ignoring states rights to intervene to stop the judge. In the latter case, even the state authorities are loath to take any legal action what so ever. Very interesting. Very revealing. The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under then name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened. - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential candidate
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Chris Losinger wrote: Schwollenpecker :laugh: Did you come up with that one? Regards, Alvaro
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nope. :) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Can someone explain this to me. I understand that issuing a marriage license to same sex couples in California is against the law. In fact, it is a criminal offense. So why isn't anyone getting arrested? Furthermore, since the licenses were obtained illegally then they aren't binding right? So those couples who thought they got married really aren't? This is not a post about whether or not same sex marriages should be legal. I'm simply asking for clarification on how laws work in California.
F*ck the law, the laws need to be changed. People need to make decisions about what should and shouldn't be by using valid reasoning about what is right and wrong. Any form of prejudice is flat-out wrong. Have you all lost the ability to think for yourselves? There probably still exist racially-prejudice laws that noone has gotten around to officially erasing. Would you question why these law are no longer enforced? Complete legalizing of homosexuality is inevitable. Being somewhat conservative, America is a bit behind some other countries in recognition of homosexuality as a valid type of relationship, equal in every way to hetero relationships and hetero marriages. America will catch up with the times eventually though. This issue will continue to be debated until the laws are corrected. Ooooh... this is sure to spark some debate! ;P Why is the phrase "It's none of my business" always followed by "BUT..." ;P
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Stan Shannon wrote: the feds wasted no time in ignoring states rights to intervene to stop the judge you're full of it. he unveiled the monument August 1, 2001. the ACLU, not "the feds" sued in Jan 02. the federal district court didn't rule against Moore until November 2002 - that's more than a year afterwards. and, then the order was stayed, by the same judge in Jan 03. and the thing stayed there until late 03. that's more than two years, of course. yeah, no time wasted at all. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
I won't quibble over what "wasted no time" means, but I still think the differences in attitudes towards two acts of defying legal authority is telling. Clearly, the only moral agenda in our society which is sanctioned by the state, and defended by the full power of the legal system, is that of secularism. The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under then name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened. - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential candidate
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Laws? instead of worring abou gay people getting married, i guess ppl should so something about the Guns that is available like toys.
Prakash, India.
This is plain dumb. Just because the US has one pressing social issue, does that mean that nothing else can be discussed ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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F*ck the law, the laws need to be changed. People need to make decisions about what should and shouldn't be by using valid reasoning about what is right and wrong. Any form of prejudice is flat-out wrong. Have you all lost the ability to think for yourselves? There probably still exist racially-prejudice laws that noone has gotten around to officially erasing. Would you question why these law are no longer enforced? Complete legalizing of homosexuality is inevitable. Being somewhat conservative, America is a bit behind some other countries in recognition of homosexuality as a valid type of relationship, equal in every way to hetero relationships and hetero marriages. America will catch up with the times eventually though. This issue will continue to be debated until the laws are corrected. Ooooh... this is sure to spark some debate! ;P Why is the phrase "It's none of my business" always followed by "BUT..." ;P
AdventureBoy wrote: this is sure to spark some debate! Ok, here you go. AdventureBoy wrote: People need to make decisions about what should and shouldn't be by using valid reasoning about what is right and wrong. They did. AdventureBoy wrote: Have you all lost the ability to think for yourselves? So unless we agree with you we aren't thinking for ourselves? AdventureBoy wrote: There probably still exist racially-prejudice laws that noone has gotten around to officially erasing. Would you question why these law are no longer enforced? Red Herring. AdventureBoy wrote: legalizing of homosexuality is inevitable. Being somewhat conservative, America is a bit behind some other countries in recognition of homosexuality as a valid type of relationship, equal in every way to hetero relationships and hetero marriages. Does every form of sexual perverson deserve its own set of special rights? And will we all be forced by the law to accept behavior we find morally unacceptable simply because the state tells us we have to. Sure, the U.S. is behind the rest of the world - in tyranny, we would kind of like to keep it that way. AdventureBoy wrote: America will catch up with the times eventually though. This issue will continue to be debated until the laws are corrected. Unfortunantly, you are probably right. We will be forced down the same statest path as Canada. Whatever the state says is normal, is normal, and to hell with free exercise of religion. The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism, but under then name of Liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program until one day America will be a Socialist nation without knowing how it happened. - Norman Thomas, Socialist Party Presidential candidate