Women priests?
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Smitha Vijayan wrote: See CG's reply. There is a difference
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Nishant S wrote: CG is a Christian who’s Christian name is Christian, And when a Christian’s Christian name is Christian, You know the Christian’s thoughts on Christian priests, Will be as Christian as a Christian’s thoughts can be. Excellent! :) jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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Smitha Vijayan wrote: Are women priests common in other places? Yes, most new priests are now women because the salary is not so good. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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Smitha Vijayan wrote: Are women priests common in other places? That depends. AFAIK, we don't have many around here, regardless of billboards wishing for the contrary. Christian churches aren't supposed to have women officiating, though that wouldn't be the first deviation to be allowed. As for other religions... well, an old send-up of a certain gospel song reminds us:
In the church of Aphrodite, The priestess wears a see-through nightie, She's a mighty righteous sightie, And she's good enough for me!
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1 Timothy 2:12-15 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
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David Stone wrote: But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. !!! Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
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Smitha Vijayan wrote: Are women priests common in other places? Yes, most new priests are now women because the salary is not so good. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
jhaga wrote: Yes, most new priests are now women because the salary is not so good. And are women priests allowed to marry? Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
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There are quite a lot of women ordained in the UK now. Sadly, there is still a lot of prejudice amongst some parts of the church :(( Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: Sadly, there is still a lot of prejudice amongst some parts of the church A lot of prejudices still exist against women...it's sad :( Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
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David Stone wrote: But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. !!! Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
It sounds a little harsher than it actually is Smitha. You gotta remember that this was written back when Rome still ruled the world and they enjoyed crucifiying people for theivery. Yeah...real advanced. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, it's all their fault! I bet Judas was a woman too.. :rolleyes: -- So let's just walk from place to place, as long as we don't talk face to face.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Yeah, it's all their fault! Well of course...why do you think they're the ones that have the "joy" of child-bearing. ;) Actually, Paul makes it clear that sin only happened after Adam ate of the fruit. So there's really a greater responsibility on the man in that, regardless of whether or not the woman had sinned, it was the man who made the final decision as to the action taken. Kinda interesting when looked at with respect to the Jewish law that if a wife made a decision, her husband had three days to ratify or reject the decision before they would actually be held accountable for it. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I bet Judas was a woman too.. Well, he did throw that bag of silver back at their feet...and most guys I know have a lot better aim than that. :rolleyes:
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It could be said that all who submit to Christ are priests: 1 Peter 2:4-6[^] Rev 1:5-7[^] But Jesus is the High Priest. It's like the term "saints", all christians are saints, yet the Catholic Church has made it into a special designation. I have a problem with ministers being called Reverend or Father. Those terms are reserved for God only.
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blogJason Henderson wrote: I have a problem with ministers being called Reverend or Father. Those terms are reserved for God only. We all call our rector Jeremy. ;) Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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Hi all, The front page of BBC shows a pic of a woman priest. We don't have women priests in the churches in our city [I am not a Christian but I have gone to churches]. Are women priests common in other places? Cheers Smitha Every person, all the events of your life, are there because you have drawn them there. What you choose to do with them is up to you. -- Richard Bach
I can't justify it in scripture but personally I have no problem with female ministers/priests. But then I'd be very happy to see a woman as Archbishop of Canterbury so maybe that's not surprising... ;P Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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jhaga wrote: Yes, most new priests are now women because the salary is not so good. And are women priests allowed to marry? Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
Yes, in the Lutheran Church where I belong the women priests can marry and live a normal life. In the Catholic Church things are very much different. For example,my ex-wife is katholic and we got married in Spain and later divorced in Finland. But I have the feeling that we will be forever considered married in Spain...:omg: jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
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I can't justify it in scripture but personally I have no problem with female ministers/priests. But then I'd be very happy to see a woman as Archbishop of Canterbury so maybe that's not surprising... ;P Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I can't justify it in scripture but personally I have no problem with female ministers/priests. I have a question - if it can't be justified in scripture, why would you not have a problem with it ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Hi all, The front page of BBC shows a pic of a woman priest. We don't have women priests in the churches in our city [I am not a Christian but I have gone to churches]. Are women priests common in other places? Cheers Smitha Every person, all the events of your life, are there because you have drawn them there. What you choose to do with them is up to you. -- Richard Bach
About three years ago my church, a United Methodist Church, had a woman pastor, she did just as good as the other pastor and associate pastor. But sense then we have not had a woman pastor in that position. -Steven Hicks
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I can't justify it in scripture but personally I have no problem with female ministers/priests. I have a question - if it can't be justified in scripture, why would you not have a problem with it ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
The short answer is I don't pretend to know. So much of the Bible appears contradictory at first glance that it sometimes takes time to work out where we each stand....and it's all too easy to miss an all-important verse which might have helped all the pieces fit together. I added the qualification to my post after seeing yours regarding the position of women in the Church. If you tell me which verses specifically you were referring to I'll go and refresh my memory and work out if it changes what I feel. :) Personally, I always find it astonishing that so many churches make a big issue out of homosexuality (which Jesus Himself didn't speak about as far as I can see in the Gospels) but sanction divorce (a subject He was quite unambiguous about) without any real complaint. Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
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The short answer is I don't pretend to know. So much of the Bible appears contradictory at first glance that it sometimes takes time to work out where we each stand....and it's all too easy to miss an all-important verse which might have helped all the pieces fit together. I added the qualification to my post after seeing yours regarding the position of women in the Church. If you tell me which verses specifically you were referring to I'll go and refresh my memory and work out if it changes what I feel. :) Personally, I always find it astonishing that so many churches make a big issue out of homosexuality (which Jesus Himself didn't speak about as far as I can see in the Gospels) but sanction divorce (a subject He was quite unambiguous about) without any real complaint. Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Personally, I always find it astonishing that so many churches make a big issue out of homosexuality (which Jesus Himself didn't speak about as far as I can see in the Gospels) but sanction divorce (a subject He was quite unambiguous about) without any real complaint. I couldn't agree more and it's a subject that goes to the heart of why I hate 'christians' trying to push their morals to others. I would not consider divorce as an option, because of what Jesus said. Does that mean there should be a law so that a woman who is beaten by her husband cannot leave him, even though neither of them professes to be a Christian ? As for the issue at hand, the churches seem by and large willing to moralise according to the status quo, instead of the Bible. Which is why they ordain women. 1 Timothy from memory - ' I suffer not a woman to preach or have authority over men'. Somewhere else it says a leader needs to be the husband of one wife. ( and this is the point, women DO have a role in leadership, a man can't do it alone ). Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Personally, I always find it astonishing that so many churches make a big issue out of homosexuality (which Jesus Himself didn't speak about as far as I can see in the Gospels) but sanction divorce (a subject He was quite unambiguous about) without any real complaint. I couldn't agree more and it's a subject that goes to the heart of why I hate 'christians' trying to push their morals to others. I would not consider divorce as an option, because of what Jesus said. Does that mean there should be a law so that a woman who is beaten by her husband cannot leave him, even though neither of them professes to be a Christian ? As for the issue at hand, the churches seem by and large willing to moralise according to the status quo, instead of the Bible. Which is why they ordain women. 1 Timothy from memory - ' I suffer not a woman to preach or have authority over men'. Somewhere else it says a leader needs to be the husband of one wife. ( and this is the point, women DO have a role in leadership, a man can't do it alone ). Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
That was quick! Just when I was thinking of going to bed too (it's 3am here lol)...:rolleyes: Christian Graus wrote: I couldn't agree more and it's a subject that goes to the heart of why I hate 'christians' trying to push their morals to others. I would not consider divorce as an option, because of what Jesus said. Does that mean there should be a law so that a woman who is beaten by her husband cannot leave him, even though neither of them professes to be a Christian ? I don't like divorce either, yet I can see the need for it. It's something I do struggle with - despite (or maybe because of?) being divorced myself. One thing makes perfect sense though. If the partners are right for each other in the first place, there's no need for it. Sadly, many marriages - including my own - don't have such a firm foundation. That's the real tragedy. Christian Graus wrote: 1 Timothy from memory - ' I suffer not a woman to preach or have authority over men'. Somewhere else it says a leader needs to be the husband of one wife. ( and this is the point, women DO have a role in leadership, a man can't do it alone ). It's time for me to re-read that book then. :) It's 1-Timothy 2 verse 12. "I do not let women teach. I do not let them have authority over men. They must be quiet." 1-Corinthians 15, verses 34-35 is a little more detailed: "Women should remain silent in the meetings. They are not allowed to speak. They must follow the lead of those in authority, as the Law says. If they have a question about something, they should ask their own husbands at home. It is shamefull for women to speak in church meetings" (NIrV) I can understand these verses in the context of the society of the time, but not today. To me, this seems in the same territory as Paul's teaching that men should not have long hair and women should (1-Corinthians 11, verses 13-16)...appropriate for the society of the time, but not for today. As I said, we all have to work out where we are but not be afraid to change it when we become aware of information relevant to the subject. Having now read the scripture you referred to, I think I'll stick with my original position for now. ;) What we know now is not complete. What we prophesy now is not perfect. But when the perfect comes, the things that are not perfect will pass away... Anna :rose: Homepage |
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That was quick! Just when I was thinking of going to bed too (it's 3am here lol)...:rolleyes: Christian Graus wrote: I couldn't agree more and it's a subject that goes to the heart of why I hate 'christians' trying to push their morals to others. I would not consider divorce as an option, because of what Jesus said. Does that mean there should be a law so that a woman who is beaten by her husband cannot leave him, even though neither of them professes to be a Christian ? I don't like divorce either, yet I can see the need for it. It's something I do struggle with - despite (or maybe because of?) being divorced myself. One thing makes perfect sense though. If the partners are right for each other in the first place, there's no need for it. Sadly, many marriages - including my own - don't have such a firm foundation. That's the real tragedy. Christian Graus wrote: 1 Timothy from memory - ' I suffer not a woman to preach or have authority over men'. Somewhere else it says a leader needs to be the husband of one wife. ( and this is the point, women DO have a role in leadership, a man can't do it alone ). It's time for me to re-read that book then. :) It's 1-Timothy 2 verse 12. "I do not let women teach. I do not let them have authority over men. They must be quiet." 1-Corinthians 15, verses 34-35 is a little more detailed: "Women should remain silent in the meetings. They are not allowed to speak. They must follow the lead of those in authority, as the Law says. If they have a question about something, they should ask their own husbands at home. It is shamefull for women to speak in church meetings" (NIrV) I can understand these verses in the context of the society of the time, but not today. To me, this seems in the same territory as Paul's teaching that men should not have long hair and women should (1-Corinthians 11, verses 13-16)...appropriate for the society of the time, but not for today. As I said, we all have to work out where we are but not be afraid to change it when we become aware of information relevant to the subject. Having now read the scripture you referred to, I think I'll stick with my original position for now. ;) What we know now is not complete. What we prophesy now is not perfect. But when the perfect comes, the things that are not perfect will pass away... Anna :rose: Homepage |
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: It's something I do struggle with - despite (or maybe because of?) being divorced myself. I'm divorced myself, my wife left me. The Bible also clarifies that a Christian who is married to a non-Christian who wants to leave is not obliged to try and make them stay. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: That's the real tragedy. I agree, and I tend to think that the Bible model works in helping people work through their problem who already had the respect for marriage to know it was forever, and who also have Christ in common to help them through any troubles they will inevitably have. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: 1-Corinthians 15, verses 34-35 is a little more detailed: But it has nothing to do with women priests, it's about people calling out and interrupting meetings. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: can understand these verses in the context of the society of the time, but not today. No offence, but I tend to take Christianity to mean that what God says is right works outside the confines of how our society changes. The verses I was refering to also point out that a man and woman together take an overseers role. Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: What we know now is not complete. What we prophesy now is not perfect. But when the perfect comes, the things that are not perfect will pass away... 1 Cor 13 - fabulous chapter, especially when understood in context. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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I can't justify it in scripture but personally I have no problem with female ministers/priests. But then I'd be very happy to see a woman as Archbishop of Canterbury so maybe that's not surprising... ;P Anna :rose: Homepage | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work. Trouble with resource IDs? Try the Resource ID Organiser Visual C++ Add-In
Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Archbishop of Canterbury Heard abt the title in Agatha Christie novels :) Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach
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Yes, in the Lutheran Church where I belong the women priests can marry and live a normal life. In the Catholic Church things are very much different. For example,my ex-wife is katholic and we got married in Spain and later divorced in Finland. But I have the feeling that we will be forever considered married in Spain...:omg: jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
But isn't divorce given by a court of law? Or is it still by the church? Here in India, divorces are through courts. So if you get divorced through court, you get a valid divorce. But of course marriages can take place through registered religious organisations. Smitha Every problem has a gift for you in its hands. -- Richard Bach