The Passion of the Christ
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Saw it last night. Absolutely stunning. Mel Gibson should be applauded for the risks he took and thanked for the results. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
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Saw it last night. Absolutely stunning. Mel Gibson should be applauded for the risks he took and thanked for the results. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
Jesus Lives! :-D I see they are crucifing you already, so here is a 5.:rolleyes: Later, JoeSox "Making the world safe for hypocrisy." - Thomas Wolfe joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Saw it last night. Absolutely stunning. Mel Gibson should be applauded for the risks he took and thanked for the results. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
another 5
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Saw it last night. Absolutely stunning. Mel Gibson should be applauded for the risks he took and thanked for the results. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
My five. I couldn't agree more that Mel should be applauded on many levels: Content Its not a movie that wastes the viewer's time and is just horrible like Torque, Eurotrip etc Type of movie A religious movie in the same market as other mainstrea movies. Expense He didn't get a producer that may would have changed the movie, he paid out of pocket. I have not seen it yet but I am going to go see it sometime this week. -Steven Hicks
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My five. I couldn't agree more that Mel should be applauded on many levels: Content Its not a movie that wastes the viewer's time and is just horrible like Torque, Eurotrip etc Type of movie A religious movie in the same market as other mainstrea movies. Expense He didn't get a producer that may would have changed the movie, he paid out of pocket. I have not seen it yet but I am going to go see it sometime this week. -Steven Hicks
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Isn't the paranoia surrounding this movie incredible? In my entire life I have never encountered anti-semitism based on the notion that the "Jews killed Christ". I've encountered a lot based on the notion that the "Jews own all the banks" or other such nonsense, but nothing that related back to the bible. In fact, every good Christian I now understands that Christ died for the sins of the entire human race, thus we are all equally responsible. "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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Isn't the paranoia surrounding this movie incredible? In my entire life I have never encountered anti-semitism based on the notion that the "Jews killed Christ". I've encountered a lot based on the notion that the "Jews own all the banks" or other such nonsense, but nothing that related back to the bible. In fact, every good Christian I now understands that Christ died for the sins of the entire human race, thus we are all equally responsible. "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
I think this has come about because of his father saying the Holocaust didn't happen... The tigress is here :-D
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I think this has come about because of his father saying the Holocaust didn't happen... The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: I think this has come about because of his father saying the Holocaust didn't happen... I think it goes a lot deeper than that. His dad is apparently a loony toons nobody, so why should anyone care so much about his opinions unless they had specific evidence that the son was trying to promulgate the father's beliefs? Gibson continues to be on a sort of moralistic adventure which started back with Braveheart. I think that Hollywood specifically, but the artistic community in general, consider him a threat to the message they are trying to sell and are looking for excuses to ruin him in the eyes of the public. Gibson, IMO, is in open rebellion against Hollywood. "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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Isn't the paranoia surrounding this movie incredible? In my entire life I have never encountered anti-semitism based on the notion that the "Jews killed Christ". I've encountered a lot based on the notion that the "Jews own all the banks" or other such nonsense, but nothing that related back to the bible. In fact, every good Christian I now understands that Christ died for the sins of the entire human race, thus we are all equally responsible. "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
Stan Shannon wrote: Isn't the paranoia surrounding this movie incredible? I think thats an understatement.... From different reports on the television (bias .. really?) I have seen this: 1 Jews protesting it in concentration camp uniforms claiming this movie promotes this and will "bring it back" From the Bible Jesus was sentenced to death by Jewish priest "Then the chief priest and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. "But not during the Feast," they said, "or there may be a riot among the people."" Matthew 26:3-5 (NIV) 2 The Black Panthers (I believe thats the group) proclaiming that this movie is interpeted as literal fact and trying to say that Jesus was black... oh come on he was born in lower Eastern Europe area, also the skin color is really pretty irelivent as indicated by the teachings and influence he had over people. If anything I am led to believe that this group is racist based on their statement. 3. Vegiterian fundimentalist trying to useleach of the movie's popularity/message and trying to proclaim that Jesus would have promoted vegaterian only and angainst animal "cruelity" (where animals are used as food).. ugh ... lets see.. feeding of the 5000 (fish and bread), old testament animal scrafice... etc I think that this movie is something that should be looked at by every single American (at least) as something to humble themselves with. The majority of the movies produced today are "surval of the fittest" (run over/kill as many people as possible in order to be "successfull" [i.e. money, fame, sex]) satires at political adgendas, and just idleness [in biblical terms] as seen with Eurotrip (ugh i have not and will not see the movie). Also from this movie I hope it has influence of the media and culture [don't get me started on that or it will be an exponentially larger post]. -Steven Hicks
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I think this has come about because of his father saying the Holocaust didn't happen... The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: I think this has come about because of his father saying the Holocaust didn't happen... Media has attempted to "harm" Mel Gibson by going after his father, a man in his 80's and not quite all there. I'm not sure what you've heard about the film in your part of the world, but Mel Gibson has been under atack for the last year as information of his work has been made public. Up to about 3, maybe 4 months ago he didn't even have a distributer for the film. "Critics" have tried to kill interest in it by 1) calling it needlessly violent [not sure how it could be anything but] 2) calling it anti-sementic My personal opinion is that there is a significant number of folks who are deathly afraid of the film because it has the power to move people away from secular views and back to a good versus evil view of life. This is one good sized skirmish in the cultural war that is underway here as the secularists fight the swing back that has been underway for the last couple of years. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
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Trollslayer wrote: I think this has come about because of his father saying the Holocaust didn't happen... I think it goes a lot deeper than that. His dad is apparently a loony toons nobody, so why should anyone care so much about his opinions unless they had specific evidence that the son was trying to promulgate the father's beliefs? Gibson continues to be on a sort of moralistic adventure which started back with Braveheart. I think that Hollywood specifically, but the artistic community in general, consider him a threat to the message they are trying to sell and are looking for excuses to ruin him in the eyes of the public. Gibson, IMO, is in open rebellion against Hollywood. "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
Stan Shannon wrote: a threat to the message they are trying to sell and are looking for excuses to ruin him in the eyes of the public. Gibson, IMO, is in open rebellion against Hollywood. That deserves a standing ovation just for Mel. If he is pure in heart in the creation of this movie and following through.. he will come out of this crap that the industry is throwing as the successful, in the long run. :) I personally can't wait to see the day. -Steven Hicks
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Trollslayer wrote: I think this has come about because of his father saying the Holocaust didn't happen... Media has attempted to "harm" Mel Gibson by going after his father, a man in his 80's and not quite all there. I'm not sure what you've heard about the film in your part of the world, but Mel Gibson has been under atack for the last year as information of his work has been made public. Up to about 3, maybe 4 months ago he didn't even have a distributer for the film. "Critics" have tried to kill interest in it by 1) calling it needlessly violent [not sure how it could be anything but] 2) calling it anti-sementic My personal opinion is that there is a significant number of folks who are deathly afraid of the film because it has the power to move people away from secular views and back to a good versus evil view of life. This is one good sized skirmish in the cultural war that is underway here as the secularists fight the swing back that has been underway for the last couple of years. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
Mike Gaskey wrote: This is one good sized skirmish in the cultural war that is underway here as the secularists fight the swing back that has been underway for the last couple of years. Odd how the secularists have to fight.... -Steven Hicks
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Isn't the paranoia surrounding this movie incredible? In my entire life I have never encountered anti-semitism based on the notion that the "Jews killed Christ". I've encountered a lot based on the notion that the "Jews own all the banks" or other such nonsense, but nothing that related back to the bible. In fact, every good Christian I now understands that Christ died for the sins of the entire human race, thus we are all equally responsible. "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
Stan Shannon wrote: In my entire life I have never encountered anti-semitism based on the notion that the "Jews killed Christ". Seriously ? I've read KKK propaganda along those lines. Stan Shannon wrote: In fact, every good Christian I now understands that Christ died for the sins of the entire human race, thus we are all equally responsible. Quite obviously, Jesus died because He chose to, no-one hog tied Him and forced Him into it. I don't think anyone seriously thinks otherwise unless their stating point is anti-Semitic. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Stan Shannon wrote: Isn't the paranoia surrounding this movie incredible? I think thats an understatement.... From different reports on the television (bias .. really?) I have seen this: 1 Jews protesting it in concentration camp uniforms claiming this movie promotes this and will "bring it back" From the Bible Jesus was sentenced to death by Jewish priest "Then the chief priest and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. "But not during the Feast," they said, "or there may be a riot among the people."" Matthew 26:3-5 (NIV) 2 The Black Panthers (I believe thats the group) proclaiming that this movie is interpeted as literal fact and trying to say that Jesus was black... oh come on he was born in lower Eastern Europe area, also the skin color is really pretty irelivent as indicated by the teachings and influence he had over people. If anything I am led to believe that this group is racist based on their statement. 3. Vegiterian fundimentalist trying to useleach of the movie's popularity/message and trying to proclaim that Jesus would have promoted vegaterian only and angainst animal "cruelity" (where animals are used as food).. ugh ... lets see.. feeding of the 5000 (fish and bread), old testament animal scrafice... etc I think that this movie is something that should be looked at by every single American (at least) as something to humble themselves with. The majority of the movies produced today are "surval of the fittest" (run over/kill as many people as possible in order to be "successfull" [i.e. money, fame, sex]) satires at political adgendas, and just idleness [in biblical terms] as seen with Eurotrip (ugh i have not and will not see the movie). Also from this movie I hope it has influence of the media and culture [don't get me started on that or it will be an exponentially larger post]. -Steven Hicks
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You have convinced me that the world really has been invaded by idiots ( the people you're talking about, not you ). (Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: If anything I am led to believe that this group is racist based on their statement. It's simple - people in minorities who are vocal about their 'rights' are usually racist themselves, and keen to use the racist accusation whenever they are forced to live by the same rules as everyone else Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Stan Shannon wrote: In my entire life I have never encountered anti-semitism based on the notion that the "Jews killed Christ". Seriously ? I've read KKK propaganda along those lines. Stan Shannon wrote: In fact, every good Christian I now understands that Christ died for the sins of the entire human race, thus we are all equally responsible. Quite obviously, Jesus died because He chose to, no-one hog tied Him and forced Him into it. I don't think anyone seriously thinks otherwise unless their stating point is anti-Semitic. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: Seriously ? I've read KKK propaganda along those lines. Could be, I don't keep up much with the Klan's propaganda, but I understand they are much more "nazi" like than they used to be. However, I was raised by deeply religious, and very backwoods, southerners and all I was ever taught about Jews is that they were "God's choosen people" (in the old testament sense) and were to be respected. I don't think that was an uncommon opinion. I can still hear my mom warning me that God would punish a 1000 fold anyone who harmed a Jew. Which was an odd warning considering there were probably no Jews within fifty miles of where we lived. "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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Stan Shannon wrote: Isn't the paranoia surrounding this movie incredible? I think thats an understatement.... From different reports on the television (bias .. really?) I have seen this: 1 Jews protesting it in concentration camp uniforms claiming this movie promotes this and will "bring it back" From the Bible Jesus was sentenced to death by Jewish priest "Then the chief priest and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. "But not during the Feast," they said, "or there may be a riot among the people."" Matthew 26:3-5 (NIV) 2 The Black Panthers (I believe thats the group) proclaiming that this movie is interpeted as literal fact and trying to say that Jesus was black... oh come on he was born in lower Eastern Europe area, also the skin color is really pretty irelivent as indicated by the teachings and influence he had over people. If anything I am led to believe that this group is racist based on their statement. 3. Vegiterian fundimentalist trying to useleach of the movie's popularity/message and trying to proclaim that Jesus would have promoted vegaterian only and angainst animal "cruelity" (where animals are used as food).. ugh ... lets see.. feeding of the 5000 (fish and bread), old testament animal scrafice... etc I think that this movie is something that should be looked at by every single American (at least) as something to humble themselves with. The majority of the movies produced today are "surval of the fittest" (run over/kill as many people as possible in order to be "successfull" [i.e. money, fame, sex]) satires at political adgendas, and just idleness [in biblical terms] as seen with Eurotrip (ugh i have not and will not see the movie). Also from this movie I hope it has influence of the media and culture [don't get me started on that or it will be an exponentially larger post]. -Steven Hicks
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(Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: oh come on he was born in lower Eastern Europe area wait... Bethlehem, Israel is "lower Eastern Europe" ? Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Saw it last night. Absolutely stunning. Mel Gibson should be applauded for the risks he took and thanked for the results. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
Well I was going to go see it today but it's sold out at both of the local theaters. :( Maybe next weekend. Jeremy Falcon
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Jesus Lives! :-D I see they are crucifing you already, so here is a 5.:rolleyes: Later, JoeSox "Making the world safe for hypocrisy." - Thomas Wolfe joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
I'm an atheist, and I gave him a five. I just don't understand some of these down-voters. Jeremy Falcon
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You have convinced me that the world really has been invaded by idiots ( the people you're talking about, not you ). (Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: If anything I am led to believe that this group is racist based on their statement. It's simple - people in minorities who are vocal about their 'rights' are usually racist themselves, and keen to use the racist accusation whenever they are forced to live by the same rules as everyone else Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Not everyone is but there are a lot out there.... Christian Graus wrote: It's simple - people in minorities who are vocal about their 'rights' are usually racist themselves, and keen to use the racist accusation whenever they are forced to live by the same rules as everyone else But what is there rigtht to make false accusations that are completely unfounded to spread idiotcy. -Steven Hicks
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Saw it last night. Absolutely stunning. Mel Gibson should be applauded for the risks he took and thanked for the results. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy
I haven't seen the movie yet, I've only read the book. Please don't ruin it for me!!!! :)
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(Steven Hicks)n+1 wrote: oh come on he was born in lower Eastern Europe area wait... Bethlehem, Israel is "lower Eastern Europe" ? Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
Chris Losinger wrote: wait... Bethlehem, Israel is "lower Eastern Europe" ? Apparently. People want Jesus to be an aryan with short hair and a business suit rather than an itenerant jew who befriended prostitutes.
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