CP Voting Trends
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It seems as if anyone who posts liberal, new-age, open-minded, tolerant messages here gets voted a 5, and anyone who posts conservative, moral, right-vs-wrong type posts gets voted 1. So I suppose most CPians are of the pinkie-liberal type? Is this the nature of SW developers in general, or just the nature of the most-actives who openly express their opinions here? I ask because with our new on-line counter thingie, even 30 votes on a thread is only about 1% of those usually online. What thinks the other 99%? OP
i have precious little respect for forum voters here. i don't take it seriously, and have seen little evidence that anyone else does either. IMNSHO, few posts deserve a '5', even fewer a '1' - most would be worth no vote at all, the rest 2's or 4's. However, i tend to abuse this system, 5ing posts i want to draw attention to (either because i like them, or because they draw on a point of view that is popular but wrong and needs to be beaten on), and 1ing posts i feel have drawn too much attention. Also, though i don't engage in it personally, there seems to be strong evidence in pointing to the existence of a subgroup who consistently 1-vote posts they don't agree with, in leu of a rebuttal. This is really a shame, as it stomps on the whole point of a discussion board in the first place (which is discussion). No matter how utterly wrong you feel a Stan Shannon, Mike Mullikin, or Chris Losinger post to be, down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. oh, and past experience suggests that some posts get votes based entirely on their subject lines - i have great hopes that this idiocy has been outgrown however. How do you move in a world of fog, That's always changing things? Makes me wish that i could be a dog, When i see the price that you pay.
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You have pretty well summed it up. I think a lot of the posters here are of the "I am hip and educated and a computer geek and I have a gay friend and I think lynching afro-americans is wrong and I drink cafee latte therefore I am a liberal and whenever I see a post that fails to recognize the rights of terrosists to murder whoever I want I must put on my ACLU hat and vote that post down" type.
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Generally speaking we have as much liberal as we have conservative people here, according to all the polls we have done. It is probably easier to recognize right-wing extremists than it is to recognize left-wing extremists and that probably influences peoples voting behaviour here. jhaga --------------------------------- Every generation laughs at the old fashions, but follows religiously the new. Henry David Thoreau, "Walden", 1854
jhaga wrote: It is probably easier to recognize right-wing extremists than it is to recognize left-wing extremists :laugh: Ya Think?!!! "In the final analysis, secularism is little more than another religion the first amendment should be protecting the American people against."
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i have precious little respect for forum voters here. i don't take it seriously, and have seen little evidence that anyone else does either. IMNSHO, few posts deserve a '5', even fewer a '1' - most would be worth no vote at all, the rest 2's or 4's. However, i tend to abuse this system, 5ing posts i want to draw attention to (either because i like them, or because they draw on a point of view that is popular but wrong and needs to be beaten on), and 1ing posts i feel have drawn too much attention. Also, though i don't engage in it personally, there seems to be strong evidence in pointing to the existence of a subgroup who consistently 1-vote posts they don't agree with, in leu of a rebuttal. This is really a shame, as it stomps on the whole point of a discussion board in the first place (which is discussion). No matter how utterly wrong you feel a Stan Shannon, Mike Mullikin, or Chris Losinger post to be, down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. oh, and past experience suggests that some posts get votes based entirely on their subject lines - i have great hopes that this idiocy has been outgrown however. How do you move in a world of fog, That's always changing things? Makes me wish that i could be a dog, When i see the price that you pay.
Shog9 wrote: No matter how utterly wrong you feel a Stan Shannon, Mike Mullikin, or Chris Losinger post to be, down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. Kewl! I've been mentioned with Stan and Chris. I'm truly honored. :) I'd like to thank the academy. I need to thank Chris Maunder for creating CP. David Cunningham and everybody at Dundas for hosting CP in the early years. Of course I need to thank the masters of posting Nish, Paul, Christian and David - without you, none of this would have been possible. I need to thank my late parents for their understanding in my early Commodore 64 years. I want to thank my wife for allowing me the budget for broadband at home to hone my posting skills. <The orchestra starts playing really lame music> Oh, and my children. I need to thank my children for being my sounding boards. Oooh and Jack Nicholson, cuz' I've always admired Jack and thanking him is the cat's ass! <Music gets louder and Mike finally walks away hoping to get free booze at the post party> We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. ~ H.L. Mencken
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i have precious little respect for forum voters here. i don't take it seriously, and have seen little evidence that anyone else does either. IMNSHO, few posts deserve a '5', even fewer a '1' - most would be worth no vote at all, the rest 2's or 4's. However, i tend to abuse this system, 5ing posts i want to draw attention to (either because i like them, or because they draw on a point of view that is popular but wrong and needs to be beaten on), and 1ing posts i feel have drawn too much attention. Also, though i don't engage in it personally, there seems to be strong evidence in pointing to the existence of a subgroup who consistently 1-vote posts they don't agree with, in leu of a rebuttal. This is really a shame, as it stomps on the whole point of a discussion board in the first place (which is discussion). No matter how utterly wrong you feel a Stan Shannon, Mike Mullikin, or Chris Losinger post to be, down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. oh, and past experience suggests that some posts get votes based entirely on their subject lines - i have great hopes that this idiocy has been outgrown however. How do you move in a world of fog, That's always changing things? Makes me wish that i could be a dog, When i see the price that you pay.
Shog9 wrote: down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. It's also rather cowardly, like flipping the school bully the bird from the safety of Mom's back seat. I like to use a 5 to draw attention to posts that I think merit a look, whether I agree with the poster or not. Many a good argument has been presented here that I consider just plain wrong, but that doesn't invalidate the point of view presented. Quality should be rewarded.:-D Of course, anything that causes me to fall off my chair laughing is an automatic 5 - that's usually all I'm capable of posting until the spasms subside. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
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You have pretty well summed it up. I think a lot of the posters here are of the "I am hip and educated and a computer geek and I have a gay friend and I think lynching afro-americans is wrong and I drink cafee latte therefore I am a liberal and whenever I see a post that fails to recognize the rights of terrosists to murder whoever I want I must put on my ACLU hat and vote that post down" type.
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What's the latest butt-scratch count? Check it out!Terry, when you say things like Terry O`Nolley wrote: whenever I see a post that fails to recognize the rights of terrosists to murder whoever I want I must put on my ACLU hat and vote that post down" type. you make yourself an idiot. I doubt anyone anywhere ever suggests that terrorists have a right to murder anyone, and the building of straw men speaks of an inability to address the actual issues. Why else would you invent a position you're more easily able to tear down ? By saying: Terry O`Nolley wrote: and I think lynching afro-americans is wrong you also imply that you disagree. Where you drunk when you wrote this ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Terry, when you say things like Terry O`Nolley wrote: whenever I see a post that fails to recognize the rights of terrosists to murder whoever I want I must put on my ACLU hat and vote that post down" type. you make yourself an idiot. I doubt anyone anywhere ever suggests that terrorists have a right to murder anyone, and the building of straw men speaks of an inability to address the actual issues. Why else would you invent a position you're more easily able to tear down ? By saying: Terry O`Nolley wrote: and I think lynching afro-americans is wrong you also imply that you disagree. Where you drunk when you wrote this ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: the building of straw men i hereby propose a new category of logical fallacy: the O'Nolley. the O'Nolley is a straw man holding a firehose spraying insults at anyone at anyone who tries to confront it. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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i have precious little respect for forum voters here. i don't take it seriously, and have seen little evidence that anyone else does either. IMNSHO, few posts deserve a '5', even fewer a '1' - most would be worth no vote at all, the rest 2's or 4's. However, i tend to abuse this system, 5ing posts i want to draw attention to (either because i like them, or because they draw on a point of view that is popular but wrong and needs to be beaten on), and 1ing posts i feel have drawn too much attention. Also, though i don't engage in it personally, there seems to be strong evidence in pointing to the existence of a subgroup who consistently 1-vote posts they don't agree with, in leu of a rebuttal. This is really a shame, as it stomps on the whole point of a discussion board in the first place (which is discussion). No matter how utterly wrong you feel a Stan Shannon, Mike Mullikin, or Chris Losinger post to be, down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. oh, and past experience suggests that some posts get votes based entirely on their subject lines - i have great hopes that this idiocy has been outgrown however. How do you move in a world of fog, That's always changing things? Makes me wish that i could be a dog, When i see the price that you pay.
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Christian Graus wrote: the building of straw men i hereby propose a new category of logical fallacy: the O'Nolley. the O'Nolley is a straw man holding a firehose spraying insults at anyone at anyone who tries to confront it. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
The trouble is that I don't believe there are any standard international units of measure where the maximum possible value is 1. Who could possibly be so irrational to rate more than 1 O'Nolley ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Shog9 wrote: down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. It's also rather cowardly, like flipping the school bully the bird from the safety of Mom's back seat. I like to use a 5 to draw attention to posts that I think merit a look, whether I agree with the poster or not. Many a good argument has been presented here that I consider just plain wrong, but that doesn't invalidate the point of view presented. Quality should be rewarded.:-D Of course, anything that causes me to fall off my chair laughing is an automatic 5 - that's usually all I'm capable of posting until the spasms subside. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
Roger Wright wrote: I like to use a 5 to draw attention to posts that I think merit a look, whether I agree with the poster or not. Agreed. I will say in addition to the above, I do vote 1's sometimes when I feel the respondent made special effort to ignore the context of initial statement to allow justification of their biased view to be presented or form a cheap shot against the poster. In those cases I also generally feel a conversation is pointless so yes I skip responding. Anyways that is my justification for the action. Roger Wright wrote: Of course, anything that causes me to fall off my chair laughing is an automatic 5 That seldoms happens to me. I guess I have lost much of my sense of humor. Oh well. :sigh:
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It seems as if anyone who posts liberal, new-age, open-minded, tolerant messages here gets voted a 5, and anyone who posts conservative, moral, right-vs-wrong type posts gets voted 1. So I suppose most CPians are of the pinkie-liberal type? Is this the nature of SW developers in general, or just the nature of the most-actives who openly express their opinions here? I ask because with our new on-line counter thingie, even 30 votes on a thread is only about 1% of those usually online. What thinks the other 99%? OP
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Shog9 wrote: No matter how utterly wrong you feel a Stan Shannon, Mike Mullikin, or Chris Losinger post to be, down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. Kewl! I've been mentioned with Stan and Chris. I'm truly honored. :) I'd like to thank the academy. I need to thank Chris Maunder for creating CP. David Cunningham and everybody at Dundas for hosting CP in the early years. Of course I need to thank the masters of posting Nish, Paul, Christian and David - without you, none of this would have been possible. I need to thank my late parents for their understanding in my early Commodore 64 years. I want to thank my wife for allowing me the budget for broadband at home to hone my posting skills. <The orchestra starts playing really lame music> Oh, and my children. I need to thank my children for being my sounding boards. Oooh and Jack Nicholson, cuz' I've always admired Jack and thanking him is the cat's ass! <Music gets louder and Mike finally walks away hoping to get free booze at the post party> We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. ~ H.L. Mencken
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). What on Earth did someone dislike about this post?? :laugh: :laugh: We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. ~ H.L. Mencken
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). What on Earth did someone dislike about this post?? :laugh: :laugh: We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. ~ H.L. Mencken
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It seems as if anyone who posts liberal, new-age, open-minded, tolerant messages here gets voted a 5, and anyone who posts conservative, moral, right-vs-wrong type posts gets voted 1. So I suppose most CPians are of the pinkie-liberal type? Is this the nature of SW developers in general, or just the nature of the most-actives who openly express their opinions here? I ask because with our new on-line counter thingie, even 30 votes on a thread is only about 1% of those usually online. What thinks the other 99%? OP
That's just the nature of people who spend enough time on their computer that they can post such threads.
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). What on Earth did someone dislike about this post?? :laugh: :laugh: We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. ~ H.L. Mencken
Mike Mullikin wrote: Score: 1.0 (1 vote). What on Earth did someone dislike about this post?? Can't imagine. I thought it was very funny. John Carson "I wish to propose for the reader's favourable consideration a doctrine which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and subversive. The doctrine in question is this: that it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true." - Bertrand Russell
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It seems as if anyone who posts liberal, new-age, open-minded, tolerant messages here gets voted a 5, and anyone who posts conservative, moral, right-vs-wrong type posts gets voted 1. So I suppose most CPians are of the pinkie-liberal type? Is this the nature of SW developers in general, or just the nature of the most-actives who openly express their opinions here? I ask because with our new on-line counter thingie, even 30 votes on a thread is only about 1% of those usually online. What thinks the other 99%? OP
Do you mind if I point out that in the rest of the world, outside of the USA, political alignment can be measured over three axis, the left, the center (or centre) and the right. To the far right we have Fascism To the Middle right we have Conservatism In the middle we have Liberalism To the Middle Left we have Socialism To the Far left we have Communism I know American political history since the 1960's and the American political map mean that you don't fully understand this so i thought I'd clear it up as it's very annoying. There is no such thing as a 'Liberal leftie', the concepts are vastly different, so for your further information, here's some definitions for you. [u]conservatism[/u] A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order. [u]liberalism[/u] A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority. [u]socialism[/u] Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. And if you're interested in a measure of your own stance... http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Apologies for that but it has annoyed me for a long time that America, (a gros over-generalisation I know and maybe a little unfair), doesn't actually comprehend the World of politics, only the world of conservative politics. Edit - I should learn to spell!
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The trouble is that I don't believe there are any standard international units of measure where the maximum possible value is 1. Who could possibly be so irrational to rate more than 1 O'Nolley ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: standard international units of measure It would be a percentage per volume, like alcoholic beverages. He is 18.5% O'Nolley, or he is pure O'Nolley. BW CP Member Homepages
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Terry, when you say things like Terry O`Nolley wrote: whenever I see a post that fails to recognize the rights of terrosists to murder whoever I want I must put on my ACLU hat and vote that post down" type. you make yourself an idiot. I doubt anyone anywhere ever suggests that terrorists have a right to murder anyone, and the building of straw men speaks of an inability to address the actual issues. Why else would you invent a position you're more easily able to tear down ? By saying: Terry O`Nolley wrote: and I think lynching afro-americans is wrong you also imply that you disagree. Where you drunk when you wrote this ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: By saying: Terry O`Nolley wrote: and I think lynching afro-americans is wrong you also imply that you disagree. Wrong. What I did was offer a statement that was an obvious truth - that the commission of hate murders was wrong. I wasn't implying anything. I was pointing out that some people see themselves as enlightened bleeding hearts just because they espouse obvious views. THose same people then begin to transmogrify into some sort of super-liberal bleeding heart bufoon because they think they are so progressive. This leads them to automatically oppose any point of view that mentions minorities in anything other than abject veneration. They knock each other over in their attempt to show the world how hip and progressive they are. And you stepped right up to bat with a clear example of what I was talking about - and it is hilarious. What I said can also be stated as "Hey dumbass - just because you recognize that hate murder is wrong doesn't mean that you are a super liberal" "I think lyniching african-americans is wrong" And what do I get? Why I'm called a bigot of course by a member of the "I'm so progressive that I get there before I leave" crowd. Hey Ghandi, take a chill pill.
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Shog9 wrote: down-voting without replying only elevates their respective positions. It's also rather cowardly, like flipping the school bully the bird from the safety of Mom's back seat. I like to use a 5 to draw attention to posts that I think merit a look, whether I agree with the poster or not. Many a good argument has been presented here that I consider just plain wrong, but that doesn't invalidate the point of view presented. Quality should be rewarded.:-D Of course, anything that causes me to fall off my chair laughing is an automatic 5 - that's usually all I'm capable of posting until the spasms subside. Will Build Nuclear Missile For Food - No Target Too Small
I tend to vote posts 5 I totally agree with and save my 1's for posts that I disagree with that have been voted 5. I am .......... The Equalizer!
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Do you mind if I point out that in the rest of the world, outside of the USA, political alignment can be measured over three axis, the left, the center (or centre) and the right. To the far right we have Fascism To the Middle right we have Conservatism In the middle we have Liberalism To the Middle Left we have Socialism To the Far left we have Communism I know American political history since the 1960's and the American political map mean that you don't fully understand this so i thought I'd clear it up as it's very annoying. There is no such thing as a 'Liberal leftie', the concepts are vastly different, so for your further information, here's some definitions for you. [u]conservatism[/u] A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order. [u]liberalism[/u] A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority. [u]socialism[/u] Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy. And if you're interested in a measure of your own stance... http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Apologies for that but it has annoyed me for a long time that America, (a gros over-generalisation I know and maybe a little unfair), doesn't actually comprehend the World of politics, only the world of conservative politics. Edit - I should learn to spell!
Rhys666 wrote: Do you mind if I point out that in the rest of the world, outside of the USA, political alignment can be measured over three axis, the left, the center (or centre) and the right. Isn't that just 1 axis? Rhys666 wrote: [u]liberalism[/u] A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority. How is it a theory? Are scientists doing experiments and hope to some day prove liberalism? How convenient that liberalism just happens to be in the dead center of your single-axis 3-axis spectrum. And lookie, lookie at the words used to define conservatism: respect, distrust, opposition, order And liberalism: goodness, liberties, consent, protection :) Please tell me you aren't too blind to understand that whoever wrote that was very obviously pushing an agenda. I won't even get into to all of the other things wrong with that model. At least you can relax - you didn't write that garbage, some other idiot did.
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