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Mr.Prakash wrote: you get my 5 Well, big fat hairy stinkin' deal. I so wish it was me who could have your '5'. Seriously, can't you see the difference between leaving old VB6 articles here, and accepting new ones ? Can't you see the lack of any sort of netiquette in taking this private exchange and posting it here ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
I believed that CodeProject is all about Microsoft Technology so why not accept old or new articles on VB? Personally i dont like VB that much, but so many times I have found my problem's solution in VB (while searching throught the net) and then I had worked it out in VC++ coz I have the idea how to solve the problem.
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I believed that CodeProject is all about Microsoft Technology so why not accept old or new articles on VB? Personally i dont like VB that much, but so many times I have found my problem's solution in VB (while searching throught the net) and then I had worked it out in VC++ coz I have the idea how to solve the problem.
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Mr.Prakash wrote: I believed that CodeProject is all about Microsoft Technology so why not accept old or new articles on VB? Because VB6 is obsolete. Would you have them accept articles on MFC 1.0 ? How about a huge section on Win32 programming ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Mr.Prakash wrote: I believed that CodeProject is all about Microsoft Technology so why not accept old or new articles on VB? Because VB6 is obsolete. Would you have them accept articles on MFC 1.0 ? How about a huge section on Win32 programming ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: Would you have them accept articles on MFC 1.0 humm, as long as the idea of the article is good and it compiles with VC6 ;P,yes. Christian Graus wrote: How about a huge section on Win32 programming ? I would die for good win32 articles and there are great articles on them here at CP.
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Wow - you can be stupid about something other than politics. Amazing. 1. VB6 is totally obsolete 2. It's not a language, nor was it ever 3. CP is not run or owned by Microsoft. Posting VB6 articles would just make them look antiquated. Microsoft would love for us to all move from C++ to C#, but CP still takes C++ articles, because people want them. They still use C++. How many projects are started today in VB6 ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Did a VB programmer bully you when you were at school Christian? Every time a language war crops up, you're always the first to slate VB.... Christian Graus wrote: 1. VB6 is totally obsolete Utter rubbish - many MANY new projects (yes-by proper developers / software houses and EVERYTHING - not just your pool boy) are being written in VB!! Christian Graus wrote: 2. It's not a language, nor was it ever Here we go again.... Christian Graus wrote: How many projects are started today in VB6 ? I can think of at least threee that my company have started in the past two months... Not wanting to start a flame war obviously, but perhaps a little more tolerence may be in order... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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Did a VB programmer bully you when you were at school Christian? Every time a language war crops up, you're always the first to slate VB.... Christian Graus wrote: 1. VB6 is totally obsolete Utter rubbish - many MANY new projects (yes-by proper developers / software houses and EVERYTHING - not just your pool boy) are being written in VB!! Christian Graus wrote: 2. It's not a language, nor was it ever Here we go again.... Christian Graus wrote: How many projects are started today in VB6 ? I can think of at least threee that my company have started in the past two months... Not wanting to start a flame war obviously, but perhaps a little more tolerence may be in order... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
RichardGrimmer wrote: Did a VB programmer bully you when you were at school Christian? There was no such thing when I went to school. I actually programmed mostly BASIC in school. RichardGrimmer wrote: many MANY new projects (yes-by proper developers / software houses and EVERYTHING - not just your pool boy) are being written in VB!! VB6 ??? I find that easy to believe, actually. It's still obsolete. RichardGrimmer wrote: I can think of at least threee that my company have started in the past two months... For internal, or external use ? Of what size ? Why was VB6 chosen, was it based on the ability of the language, or the ability of your programmers ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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RichardGrimmer wrote: Did a VB programmer bully you when you were at school Christian? There was no such thing when I went to school. I actually programmed mostly BASIC in school. RichardGrimmer wrote: many MANY new projects (yes-by proper developers / software houses and EVERYTHING - not just your pool boy) are being written in VB!! VB6 ??? I find that easy to believe, actually. It's still obsolete. RichardGrimmer wrote: I can think of at least threee that my company have started in the past two months... For internal, or external use ? Of what size ? Why was VB6 chosen, was it based on the ability of the language, or the ability of your programmers ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
OK - didn't want to, but here goes... Christian Graus wrote: VB6 ??? I find that easy to believe, actually. It's still obsolete. Yes - VB6...just because something is not on the bleeding edge does not mean that it's obsolete - YOU may not use it, but there are more than a few who do..obviously not as skilled and experienced as you, but then we can't all be superheroes can we... Christian Graus wrote: For internal, or external use ? Of what size ? Why was VB6 chosen, was it based on the ability of the language, or the ability of your programmers ? External use Full blown enterprise class applications with both web and desktop front ends, and before you say it - yes, both the business objects and data access tiers use VB EXCLUSIVELY. (I can almost HEAR you shaping up with a comeback to that one...) The reason(s) that VB was chosen was chosen are many and varied - and not one of them had to do with the ability of the programmers, all of whom are skilled in a variety of languages, including C++, Java, C# and VB.NET - known commonly as diversity - in fact, you may find it hard to believe, but there are actually a couple of us who don't make decisions based on language snobbery, but prefer to get the job done with the CORRECT TOOL FOR THE JOB....but then am sure you know all about that - after all a C++ developer will do any job better than anyone else on the planet won't they... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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OK - didn't want to, but here goes... Christian Graus wrote: VB6 ??? I find that easy to believe, actually. It's still obsolete. Yes - VB6...just because something is not on the bleeding edge does not mean that it's obsolete - YOU may not use it, but there are more than a few who do..obviously not as skilled and experienced as you, but then we can't all be superheroes can we... Christian Graus wrote: For internal, or external use ? Of what size ? Why was VB6 chosen, was it based on the ability of the language, or the ability of your programmers ? External use Full blown enterprise class applications with both web and desktop front ends, and before you say it - yes, both the business objects and data access tiers use VB EXCLUSIVELY. (I can almost HEAR you shaping up with a comeback to that one...) The reason(s) that VB was chosen was chosen are many and varied - and not one of them had to do with the ability of the programmers, all of whom are skilled in a variety of languages, including C++, Java, C# and VB.NET - known commonly as diversity - in fact, you may find it hard to believe, but there are actually a couple of us who don't make decisions based on language snobbery, but prefer to get the job done with the CORRECT TOOL FOR THE JOB....but then am sure you know all about that - after all a C++ developer will do any job better than anyone else on the planet won't they... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
RichardGrimmer wrote: just because something is not on the bleeding edge does not mean that it's obsolete VB.NET has been with us for a number of years now, it's hardly 'bleeding edge'. RichardGrimmer wrote: obviously not as skilled and experienced as you, but then we can't all be superheroes can we... That is not my implication at all. I'd more suggest that I'm too lazy to use tools that are clunky. RichardGrimmer wrote: (I can almost HEAR you shaping up with a comeback to that one...) No, my mind is reeling from the horror of it all. I have nothing to say. RichardGrimmer wrote: in fact, you may find it hard to believe, but there are actually a couple of us who don't make decisions based on language snobbery, but prefer to get the job done with the CORRECT TOOL FOR THE JOB ROTFL. I can't imagine any world in which VB6 could be the 'correct tool for the job' that you're describing over C++, C# and VB.NET. RichardGrimmer wrote: but then am sure you know all about that - after all a C++ developer will do any job better than anyone else on the planet won't they... There are good VB programmers, they are simply outnumbered to a far greater degree than in any other language by hacks. And for what it's worth, I hardly ever write C++ code anymore, I use C# almost exclusively, simply because it's the 'best tool' for the work that I do most of the time. I've recently used C++ because it was better suited to the task at hand. I've used VB6, and VB.NET, I find both very ugly, VB.NET is syntactically as ugly and redundant as it's parentage would imply, and so long as both compile to IL, there is no reason I can see not to use C# instead. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Wow - you can be stupid about something other than politics. Amazing. 1. VB6 is totally obsolete 2. It's not a language, nor was it ever 3. CP is not run or owned by Microsoft. Posting VB6 articles would just make them look antiquated. Microsoft would love for us to all move from C++ to C#, but CP still takes C++ articles, because people want them. They still use C++. How many projects are started today in VB6 ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Thanks for taking the time to research this before answering! 1) If by obsolete, you mean it has been supplanted by a new product dreamed up by MS marketing then I agree with you. If, by obsolete, you mean that (as the dictionary says) VB6 is "no longer in use or no longer useful" then I disagree. Not only are there plenty of job postings looking for VB6 developers, but VB6 still compiles code that runs on todays computers. Amazing, truly amazing..... 2) I'll have to take your word that Visual Basic contains none of the features or characteristics that define programming languages 3) I never said CP was run by Microsoft. I said that MS disincentivized websites that failed to adopt their newest marketing creations. I understand that this has been shown wrong - witnessed by your response to my post for surely you wouldn't waste my time talking out of your ass without first contacting someone at MS to disprove what I said. How many projects today are started in VB6? I have no idea. But I am sure you do or you wouldn't be stadning there at the microphone orating like some latter day Daniel Webster wannabe.
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Thanks for taking the time to research this before answering! 1) If by obsolete, you mean it has been supplanted by a new product dreamed up by MS marketing then I agree with you. If, by obsolete, you mean that (as the dictionary says) VB6 is "no longer in use or no longer useful" then I disagree. Not only are there plenty of job postings looking for VB6 developers, but VB6 still compiles code that runs on todays computers. Amazing, truly amazing..... 2) I'll have to take your word that Visual Basic contains none of the features or characteristics that define programming languages 3) I never said CP was run by Microsoft. I said that MS disincentivized websites that failed to adopt their newest marketing creations. I understand that this has been shown wrong - witnessed by your response to my post for surely you wouldn't waste my time talking out of your ass without first contacting someone at MS to disprove what I said. How many projects today are started in VB6? I have no idea. But I am sure you do or you wouldn't be stadning there at the microphone orating like some latter day Daniel Webster wannabe.
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- Thanks for that nit pick. You can still write code in assembler that will run on todays PC's, does that make this a viable way to develop a commercial product ? 2) You just do that. 3) How does Microsoft provide disincentives to CP, pray tell ? Are you claiming that Microsoft send death threats to Chris, or withdraw advertising support if a site with thousands of articles runs one on VB6 ? Terry O`Nolley wrote: How many projects today are started in VB6? Probably a ton, some because people don't want to evolve, some because they don't know any thing else and their target market doesn't have the .NET runtime, some in order to reuse existing code. However, I don't see why anyone who didn't have one of the barriers I just mentioned would choose it. This started because someone was surprised that CP no longer accepts VB6 articles. That fact alone would suggest to me that the people who run this site generally agree with my point of view regarding VB6. Or we can run with your conspiracy theory, suits me either way. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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- Thanks for that nit pick. You can still write code in assembler that will run on todays PC's, does that make this a viable way to develop a commercial product ? 2) You just do that. 3) How does Microsoft provide disincentives to CP, pray tell ? Are you claiming that Microsoft send death threats to Chris, or withdraw advertising support if a site with thousands of articles runs one on VB6 ? Terry O`Nolley wrote: How many projects today are started in VB6? Probably a ton, some because people don't want to evolve, some because they don't know any thing else and their target market doesn't have the .NET runtime, some in order to reuse existing code. However, I don't see why anyone who didn't have one of the barriers I just mentioned would choose it. This started because someone was surprised that CP no longer accepts VB6 articles. That fact alone would suggest to me that the people who run this site generally agree with my point of view regarding VB6. Or we can run with your conspiracy theory, suits me either way. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: 1) Thanks for that nit pick You are welcome. I didn't want you to look bad by saying something so silly and I wanted to give the chance to recant. Christian Graus wrote: 2) You just do that. A programming language is a standardized set of tokens which can be compiled or interpreted in order to send instructions to a CPU to accomplish a specific task. I still don't see how VB6 fails to do that. Christian Graus wrote: 3) How does Microsoft provide disincentives to CP, pray tell ? I don't know that they do. I just said that they disincentivize in general. They would have to be marketing idiots to not do so. Every other successfull company knows to do this. It is a very basic marketing tactic. My question is how do you know they don't? What makes you think that MS has made the conscious decision to not engage in this common marketing tactic?
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Christian Graus wrote: 1) Thanks for that nit pick You are welcome. I didn't want you to look bad by saying something so silly and I wanted to give the chance to recant. Christian Graus wrote: 2) You just do that. A programming language is a standardized set of tokens which can be compiled or interpreted in order to send instructions to a CPU to accomplish a specific task. I still don't see how VB6 fails to do that. Christian Graus wrote: 3) How does Microsoft provide disincentives to CP, pray tell ? I don't know that they do. I just said that they disincentivize in general. They would have to be marketing idiots to not do so. Every other successfull company knows to do this. It is a very basic marketing tactic. My question is how do you know they don't? What makes you think that MS has made the conscious decision to not engage in this common marketing tactic?
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: I didn't want you to look bad by saying something so silly and I wanted to give the chance to recant. LOL - I've been told to recant in a religious forum before, but never in a programming one. Terry O`Nolley wrote: I still don't see how VB6 fails to do that. I'd have thought you'd be the first one able to recognise rhetoric around here. VB6 is a programming language in the same way that Baywatch Nights was a TV program, by the skin of it's teeth and the narrowest of definitions. Terry O`Nolley wrote: I don't know that they do. I just said that they disincentivize in general. Ah, so you're making it up as you go along ? Excellent. Terry O`Nolley wrote: They would have to be marketing idiots to not do so. Every other successfull company knows to do this. It is a very basic marketing tactic. Sure - if I make cars, it's in my interest not to sell too many parts for my old models, because I want people to need a new car. Microsoft almost certainly no longer sell VB6, or promote it. However, I don't see car manufacturers as either likely or even able to stop a second hand car yard from selling used cars, any more than Microsoft is likely to try and bully this site into not supporting VB6. Had such bullying occured successfully, you'd think that old VB6 articles would also be pulled. Terry O`Nolley wrote: My question is how do you know they don't? What makes you think that MS has made the conscious decision to not engage in this common marketing tactic? Unless you can explain a meangingful way in which Microsoft could stop Code Project from running VB6 articles, despite their desire to do so, this conversation is dumb. I don't see any way they can do this legally, and it makes far more sense to me that they simply decided to stop supporting an outdated product. The site is getting to a point where the number of articles makes it hard to search for things at times, and there will be more people looking for VB.NET articles who won't want VB6 stuff coming up in their searches. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder