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Marc Clifton wrote: I'm not sure I totally buy into the "Democrats are smarter" conclusion. you could also interpret that as ... "smart people live in states that went to Gore". or... "Gore voters live in states with smart people". or, "not-exceptionally-smart people congregate in states that went to Bush"... :) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
Chris Losinger wrote: you could also interpret that as ... "smart people live in states that went to Gore". or... "Gore voters live in states with smart people". or, "not-exceptionally-smart people live in states that went to Bush"... Or possibly even: people that do real work instead of having wimpy hi-tech jobs, vote for Bush. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
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IQ averages by state.... and who they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm[^] :) tee hee hee. snicker snicker snicker. -c (doin my best to raise NC's average IQ) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Chris Losinger wrote: you could also interpret that as ... "smart people live in states that went to Gore". or... "Gore voters live in states with smart people". or, "not-exceptionally-smart people live in states that went to Bush"... Or possibly even: people that do real work instead of having wimpy hi-tech jobs, vote for Bush. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
it's probably something like: states with high incomes supported Gore. (which i guess is the flip side of what you just said) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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IQ averages by state.... and who they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm[^] :) tee hee hee. snicker snicker snicker. -c (doin my best to raise NC's average IQ) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
hmm... strange that it lists Florida as having voted for Gore (#26) --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- If my rhyme was a drug, I'd sell it by the gram.
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Marc Clifton wrote: I'm not sure I totally buy into the "Democrats are smarter" conclusion. you could also interpret that as ... "smart people live in states that went to Gore". or... "Gore voters live in states with smart people". or, "not-exceptionally-smart people congregate in states that went to Bush"... :) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
Or you could interperet it that "Bush appeals to dumb people" *Elaine takes a flying leap into the bunker* The tigress is here :-D
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I would guess that Cali has more undereducated aliens "fresh off the boat" than CT. (Note: I'm not trying to imply that immigrants are dumb, only that they tend to be less educated than their counterparts who have been here for a generation or two.)
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My ArticlesJon Sagara wrote: only that they tend to be less educated IQ has nothing to do with education -FYI Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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hmm... strange that it lists Florida as having voted for Gore (#26) --Mike-- Personal stuff:: Ericahist | Homepage Shareware stuff:: 1ClickPicGrabber | RightClick-Encrypt CP stuff:: CP SearchBar v2.0.2 | C++ Forum FAQ ---- If my rhyme was a drug, I'd sell it by the gram.
yeah. let the Bushies have America's Wang (AvgIQ 98) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Just to fan some flames, how does that explain Idaho ? The tigress is here :-D
Potatoes cause brain damage :)
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Jon Sagara wrote: only that they tend to be less educated IQ has nothing to do with education -FYI Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
In theory, yes, it's supposed to measure your capacity to learn. In practice, however, unless you take a good test, they require more than trivial education. [mode:braggart]I've taken a slew of them, ranging from 140-150. Then again, I know people who essentially "flunked" the IQ test who have more creative potential in them than I could ever have[mode:normal]
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Potatoes cause brain damage :)
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Ignoring the voting bits, I'm surprised California would only be 14th. Surely all those ubergeeks in the Valley would have upped it more :-)
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It's balanced off by the airheads in Hollywood.
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It's balanced off by the airheads in Hollywood.
Jeff Bogan wrote: It's balance off by the airheads in Hollywood. Ah, of course :-)
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In theory, yes, it's supposed to measure your capacity to learn. In practice, however, unless you take a good test, they require more than trivial education. [mode:braggart]I've taken a slew of them, ranging from 140-150. Then again, I know people who essentially "flunked" the IQ test who have more creative potential in them than I could ever have[mode:normal]
Jeremy Kimball Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. (I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head)
Jeremy Kimball wrote: they require more than trivial education In what manner ? A true IQ test measures cognitive ability. For example ones score at different ages should not be very far apart when adjusted for a few age variables. Spatial awareness and reasoning ability normally is not a factor of education as it is a function of brain development. Oh well Richard ( a 23 year memeber of Mensa ) "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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IQ averages by state.... and who they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm[^] :) tee hee hee. snicker snicker snicker. -c (doin my best to raise NC's average IQ) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
A different take. The IQ data that was quoted was from the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations". That book seeks to draw a correlation between average IQ of a nation (or state) and the wealth of the nation (not voting record). The books conclusion is that there is a direct link between IQ and wealth. So one might conclude from this, that the Dems are the party of the rich, which flies in the face of the party line. More importantly, if you as a Democrat believe the conclusions of the book, then it forces you to admit that poor people are not as intelligent as more affluent people. I don't think that you really want to go there. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Who you are in Christ
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Jeremy Kimball wrote: they require more than trivial education In what manner ? A true IQ test measures cognitive ability. For example ones score at different ages should not be very far apart when adjusted for a few age variables. Spatial awareness and reasoning ability normally is not a factor of education as it is a function of brain development. Oh well Richard ( a 23 year memeber of Mensa ) "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
No, you're absolutely right. A true IQ test measures cognitive and spatial reasoning. The problem is the only true tests I've seen are the government-sponsored ones. Every other test I've seen relies on an accumulation of knowledge. Is MENSA actually worth joining? I got the nice letter after I took my first test (they screwed up - I was 6 at the time), but I've never looked into it any further... ps: you spelled "member" wrong ;)
Jeremy Kimball Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. (I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head)
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No, you're absolutely right. A true IQ test measures cognitive and spatial reasoning. The problem is the only true tests I've seen are the government-sponsored ones. Every other test I've seen relies on an accumulation of knowledge. Is MENSA actually worth joining? I got the nice letter after I took my first test (they screwed up - I was 6 at the time), but I've never looked into it any further... ps: you spelled "member" wrong ;)
Jeremy Kimball Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam. (I have a catapult. Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head)
Jeremy Kimball wrote: Is MENSA actually worth joining? I got the nice letter after I took my first test (they screwed up - I was 6 at the time), but I've never looked into it any further Its kinda fun. You get to meet some nice people and such stuff but thats about it. The discussions are QUITE eclectic ranging from micro tonal music composition to warping spacetime to exceed the speed of light on a local basis. Richard "The man that hath not music in himself and is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils; Let no man trust him." Shakespeare
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A different take. The IQ data that was quoted was from the book "IQ and the Wealth of Nations". That book seeks to draw a correlation between average IQ of a nation (or state) and the wealth of the nation (not voting record). The books conclusion is that there is a direct link between IQ and wealth. So one might conclude from this, that the Dems are the party of the rich, which flies in the face of the party line. More importantly, if you as a Democrat believe the conclusions of the book, then it forces you to admit that poor people are not as intelligent as more affluent people. I don't think that you really want to go there. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Who you are in Christ
Gary Kirkham wrote: The books conclusion is that there is a direct link between IQ and wealth. So one might conclude from this, that the Dems are the party of the rich, which flies in the face of the party line. i don't think it does. rich people are welcome in the Democratic party as well as poor people - it's what they want from their government that separates them from Republicans. rich or poor, Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. Gary Kirkham wrote: if you as a Democrat believe the conclusions of the book, then it forces you to admit that poor people are not as intelligent as more affluent people there's actually probably something to that. not that poor people are necessarily genetically stupid, but that richer people are probably more likely to have had a better education (...not just book-learnin, neither - but the whole developmental environment thang). tough topic to discuss without getting into prejudices and stereotypes. yuck. how that all ties into D v R , i dunno... Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
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Gary Kirkham wrote: The books conclusion is that there is a direct link between IQ and wealth. So one might conclude from this, that the Dems are the party of the rich, which flies in the face of the party line. i don't think it does. rich people are welcome in the Democratic party as well as poor people - it's what they want from their government that separates them from Republicans. rich or poor, Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. Gary Kirkham wrote: if you as a Democrat believe the conclusions of the book, then it forces you to admit that poor people are not as intelligent as more affluent people there's actually probably something to that. not that poor people are necessarily genetically stupid, but that richer people are probably more likely to have had a better education (...not just book-learnin, neither - but the whole developmental environment thang). tough topic to discuss without getting into prejudices and stereotypes. yuck. how that all ties into D v R , i dunno... Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
common misconception...(education != intelligence) Chris Losinger wrote: Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. The only "mechanism for positive change" I remember from the Democrats is the welfare system. It essentially enslaved a group of people and made them beholding to the government (i.e. Democrats) for their support. It gave them no hope of anything better. Most people (including some Democrats) look back on it as an abysmal failure, certainly not a "leg up". Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Who you are in Christ
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IQ averages by state.... and who they voted for in the 2000 presidential election. http://americanassembler.com/features/iq_state_averages.htm[^] :) tee hee hee. snicker snicker snicker. -c (doin my best to raise NC's average IQ) Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer
There's nothing quite like selective statistics, it tells nothing at all about the election but yet you can start a 40 messages debate and feed an ego of a democrat with it. :-D Tomaž
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common misconception...(education != intelligence) Chris Losinger wrote: Dems think the govt can be a mechanism for positive change - including helping poor people get a leg up. The only "mechanism for positive change" I remember from the Democrats is the welfare system. It essentially enslaved a group of people and made them beholding to the government (i.e. Democrats) for their support. It gave them no hope of anything better. Most people (including some Democrats) look back on it as an abysmal failure, certainly not a "leg up". Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Who you are in Christ
education and intelligence are related. intelligence is not 100% innate: it is something that can be nurtured and/or neglected, during a child's development. that's where wealth can make a difference - in the environment it provides a child to grow in. Gary Kirkham wrote: The only "mechanism for positive change" I remember from the Democrats is the welfare system. zzz. Gary Kirkham wrote: essentially enslaved a group of people and made them beholding to the government GOP propaganda. no, wait... idiotic GOP propaganda. paranoid parallel-universe fantasy nonsense. Gary Kirkham wrote: It gave them no hope of anything better. zzz. Gary Kirkham wrote: Most people (including some Democrats) look back on it as an abysmal failure, certainly not a "leg up". please, give me the survey citation for your "Most people". that "abysmal failure" helped me and my family through some pretty f'in hard times. without it, i'd never be where i am today. and, many of my friends came from pretty lousy circumstances, supported for a time by the govt., to make something pretty f'in good for themselves once they finally got their footing. Cleek | Losinger Designs | ClickPic | ThumbNailer