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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
You have a week of suffering vrs. a life-time of bad references. Unless you think the new job is going to carry you on through retirement then I would put in my finest week of work ever!
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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
I did the same thing when I came here, gave notice, and worked hard to write documentation on all my work to date before I left. They never looked at it. Quite simply, if you've been proactive in trying to get things to work for them over the past few weeks, I'd be pointing that out, and if they want you to put in 20 hour days from now until then, I'd be letting them know what my contract rates are for excess hours ( I'd probably offer my contract rates for more work after I left as well ). Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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You have a week of suffering vrs. a life-time of bad references. Unless you think the new job is going to carry you on through retirement then I would put in my finest week of work ever!
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: You have a week of suffering vrs. a life-time of bad references. I understand that, but I hate having to scramble because they dropped the ball. Besides :) ,did I mention that I loathe this place? Terry O`Nolley wrote: Unless you think the new job is going to carry you on through retirement Actually, my wife and I own a small real estate investment company that will do that for me. Thanks for your comments. I'll think it through some more after dinner. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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I did the same thing when I came here, gave notice, and worked hard to write documentation on all my work to date before I left. They never looked at it. Quite simply, if you've been proactive in trying to get things to work for them over the past few weeks, I'd be pointing that out, and if they want you to put in 20 hour days from now until then, I'd be letting them know what my contract rates are for excess hours ( I'd probably offer my contract rates for more work after I left as well ). Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: gave notice, and worked hard to write documentation on all my work to date before I left. They never looked at it. Exactly! I've even place special Notes for the people following up to look for. Not to mention re-factoring and cleaning up as much code as I can. Christian Graus wrote: I'd be letting them know what my contract rates are for excess hours Too bad I am an exempt employee; they wouldn't even dream of offering me extra pay. Christian Graus wrote: I'd probably offer my contract rates for more work after I left as well I've actually already began this process. My big problem is that my wife and I run a real-estate investment company and often our weekends and nights are spent scouting out potential deals. There isn't much fuel left in my tank after that. Thanks for the comments. I'll take them into consideration. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Christian Graus wrote: gave notice, and worked hard to write documentation on all my work to date before I left. They never looked at it. Exactly! I've even place special Notes for the people following up to look for. Not to mention re-factoring and cleaning up as much code as I can. Christian Graus wrote: I'd be letting them know what my contract rates are for excess hours Too bad I am an exempt employee; they wouldn't even dream of offering me extra pay. Christian Graus wrote: I'd probably offer my contract rates for more work after I left as well I've actually already began this process. My big problem is that my wife and I run a real-estate investment company and often our weekends and nights are spent scouting out potential deals. There isn't much fuel left in my tank after that. Thanks for the comments. I'll take them into consideration. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote: Too bad I am an exempt employee Aren't we all ? But the ball park has changed - if you've done all you can for these people and they try to push you around, then there's no reason you need to fall victim to their incompetence. I'd suggest to them reasonably that I have nothing to lose in my final week, and that if they want to try to leave me exausted on my first week of a new job, they're going to have to pay for that privilege. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
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Chris Austin wrote: Too bad I am an exempt employee Aren't we all ? But the ball park has changed - if you've done all you can for these people and they try to push you around, then there's no reason you need to fall victim to their incompetence. I'd suggest to them reasonably that I have nothing to lose in my final week, and that if they want to try to leave me exausted on my first week of a new job, they're going to have to pay for that privilege. Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder
Christian Graus wrote: I'd suggest to them reasonably that I have nothing to lose in my final week, and that if they want to try to leave me exausted on my first week of a new job, they're going to have to pay for that privilege. Just the kind of comment to remind me that I do have some leverage in this whole scenario. I can't believe that I let myself fall into the "dependent on their pay" type of role. I must need some sleep or something. Thanks again, Chris Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Chris Austin wrote: They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine Well, first off, don't imagine the worst. Worrying is a major waste of energy. Read some Dale Carnegie. It'll just put you in a bad mood. They might come with a counter offer, or might simply want to know if you'll be available for consulting, and at what price. Of course, you may be right too. So don't give in to their demands. As to a bad reference, there are a lot of laws regarding providing references. They simply cannot say anything negative about you because you can sue their ass, and win. Things like performance evaluations that you have signed off on and attendance are acceptable. Anything else is not. Chris Austin wrote: I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. Never, ever, assume that management will treat you with respect, dignity, and in an ethical manner. In order to walk out of the situation with a "win" for yourself, YOU must be the person to act ethically. You must ALSO maintain your dignity and self-respect by not compromising regarding ridiculous demands, accusations, etc. Stay calm, in the face of stupidity, simply don't say anything. Let the other people talk themselves until they are blue in the face. That is, after all, what they want to do most--listen to themselves until they feel better. All you have to do is sit there. Awkward silences can be VERY powerful. Another useful technique is to say "I understand your perspective". Validation without taking on any responsibility or putting yourself in a bad situation. If asked to come up with a "plan" or commit to helping them out, do the Japanese style of negotiation--"I will take what you've said into consideration and I will get back to you tomorrow/next week, whenever". This way, you give yourself breathing room to consider your actions. Communication need not be face to face either. A letter is a very useful "middle man". That's my 2c. I'm curious to know how it turned out. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
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Chris Austin wrote: They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine Well, first off, don't imagine the worst. Worrying is a major waste of energy. Read some Dale Carnegie. It'll just put you in a bad mood. They might come with a counter offer, or might simply want to know if you'll be available for consulting, and at what price. Of course, you may be right too. So don't give in to their demands. As to a bad reference, there are a lot of laws regarding providing references. They simply cannot say anything negative about you because you can sue their ass, and win. Things like performance evaluations that you have signed off on and attendance are acceptable. Anything else is not. Chris Austin wrote: I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. Never, ever, assume that management will treat you with respect, dignity, and in an ethical manner. In order to walk out of the situation with a "win" for yourself, YOU must be the person to act ethically. You must ALSO maintain your dignity and self-respect by not compromising regarding ridiculous demands, accusations, etc. Stay calm, in the face of stupidity, simply don't say anything. Let the other people talk themselves until they are blue in the face. That is, after all, what they want to do most--listen to themselves until they feel better. All you have to do is sit there. Awkward silences can be VERY powerful. Another useful technique is to say "I understand your perspective". Validation without taking on any responsibility or putting yourself in a bad situation. If asked to come up with a "plan" or commit to helping them out, do the Japanese style of negotiation--"I will take what you've said into consideration and I will get back to you tomorrow/next week, whenever". This way, you give yourself breathing room to consider your actions. Communication need not be face to face either. A letter is a very useful "middle man". That's my 2c. I'm curious to know how it turned out. Marc Microsoft MVP, Visual C# MyXaml MyXaml Blog
Marc Clifton wrote: Worrying is a major waste of energy. Read some Dale Carnegie. It'll just put you in a bad mood. :laugh: I had to read that twice. Marc Clifton wrote: If asked to come up with a "plan" or commit to helping them out, do the Japanese style of negotiation--"I will take what you've said into consideration and I will get back to you tomorrow/next week, whenever". Thats great! I've always enjoyed sitting on the same side of the negotiating table with someone who was able to do that consistently. I usually try to keep a lot of what you said in mind when dealing with a (potentially) contentious situation. I am afraid that I let myself get *disappointed* at the way they have reacted to my moving on. I'll keep all of this good advice in mind when I sit down with the "ladies" tomorrow morning. Thanks a lot, Chris Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Always remember that you have leverage. They need you to do a job, that's why they hired you over everyone else. Now that you have a new job, your needs have changed, but their needs have not. They still need you right now, but you don't need them.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
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Always remember that you have leverage. They need you to do a job, that's why they hired you over everyone else. Now that you have a new job, your needs have changed, but their needs have not. They still need you right now, but you don't need them.
"Live long and prosper." - Spock
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blogJason Henderson wrote: Now that you have a new job, your needs have changed, but their needs have not. They still need you right now, but you don't need them. Thats a great way to look at it. I'll keep it in mind. Thanks for the advice. Too bad it looks like we are ganging up on Terry :) Chris Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: You have a week of suffering vrs. a life-time of bad references. I understand that, but I hate having to scramble because they dropped the ball. Besides :) ,did I mention that I loathe this place? Terry O`Nolley wrote: Unless you think the new job is going to carry you on through retirement Actually, my wife and I own a small real estate investment company that will do that for me. Thanks for your comments. I'll think it through some more after dinner. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
If you are set then drop off your keys and don't shop up after next week. You did your job and you aren't a slave. The only reason for doing all that extra work should be self-interest. Knowing you'll never need them for a reference, you should do the minimum amount of work you feel you owe them and can do with a clear conscience.
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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
I assume you have a contract of emplyment which specifes you notice period? In the UK it is a legal requirement. As long as you are conforming to this contract no problem, I assume from you email it is one weeks notice? If so at the meeting say the new compmany wants you ASAP so you are considereing only giving the minimym contract period. Plus as has been mentioned simply state you are prepared to give them X hours free consultancy, but only with the agreement of your new company, the same with paid consultancy. In the UK contracts of employment can preclude this sort of extra curicular activity. But keep in mind if they wanted to make you redundant, would they hesitate? It has happened to me and some friends of mine where we have been told to clear our desks leave the premises in 30 minutes. As an aside one of my friends was the only person who knew the combination of the backup safe! Plus he currently had the accounts software in pieces, it took the best part of a month for them to sort that out without him, the safe took far longer!
"Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet." - Dave Barry
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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
They can ask what they want, but legally you are not required to work more than something like 40 hours a week (depends on where you live and your contract). Stick to EXACTLY the number of hours you were working before, and tell them they get to figgure out how to use that time. They can have you do whatever they want, though you should suggest something that would be useful for the transisition.
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... for trying to be nice. I was recently offered a new position (literally) out of the blue that I could not pass up. The commute will be 30 minutes shorter each way, the benefits are just as good, the work is far more interesting, & it's an fair increase in pay. Trying not to burn any bridges by giving notice at the last minute, I gave my current employer almost three weeks notice. I would like to have given more but, the new employer wants me on pretty quickly and I find my current work mind-numbing. The only catch is that we (being me) are in the final stages of year long project. The reason that I gave as much notice as I did was to transition this project to my co-workers. But, management has done nothing to expedite this despite my insistence. Now, almost two weeks after giving notice they are beginning to panic and look like they are going to try and play rough. They have scheduled a meeting for 8:00 am tomorrow morning & I imagine they are going ask me to give it the old night and day crap through next Thursday. But, I just will not do it. Please forgive this rant but, I am just unsure what to do about this. I honestly want(ed) to part on good term with this place. But, I am afraid that push will come to shove tomorrow morning and in all my years as a professional I have never been faced with such a situation. How would you folks handle this? Any comments, suggestions, or insults :) are welcome. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
I'd say be happy with your decision to leave. Do what you can during the last 40 hrs, and bid adieu with a wink and a smile. Don't fall for the "Can we call you if we have issues?" bit either unless of course they are willing to pay you for the time. BW The Biggest Loser
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I assume you have a contract of emplyment which specifes you notice period? In the UK it is a legal requirement. As long as you are conforming to this contract no problem, I assume from you email it is one weeks notice? If so at the meeting say the new compmany wants you ASAP so you are considereing only giving the minimym contract period. Plus as has been mentioned simply state you are prepared to give them X hours free consultancy, but only with the agreement of your new company, the same with paid consultancy. In the UK contracts of employment can preclude this sort of extra curicular activity. But keep in mind if they wanted to make you redundant, would they hesitate? It has happened to me and some friends of mine where we have been told to clear our desks leave the premises in 30 minutes. As an aside one of my friends was the only person who knew the combination of the backup safe! Plus he currently had the accounts software in pieces, it took the best part of a month for them to sort that out without him, the safe took far longer!
"Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet." - Dave Barry
Ted Ferenc wrote: I assume you have a contract of emplyment which specifes you notice period? Actually, I believe the term used here is 'At Will' employment. Basically, they are not required to give me any notice nor I them. The typical "curtsey" one gives their current employer is 2 weeks. Technically, I could up and quit this moment and not be beholding to them in any way Ted Ferenc wrote: Plus as has been mentioned simply state you are prepared to give them X hours free consultancy, but only with the agreement of your new company, the same with paid consultancy. To be honest, I am not prepared to give them anything for free. If I do decided to help the once I gone it will be at a minimum of 2x my current pay. This is simply because I have very little free time in the evenings and my weekends are typically full. Thanks for the advice.....meeting in 20 minutes :) Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Marc Clifton wrote: Worrying is a major waste of energy. Read some Dale Carnegie. It'll just put you in a bad mood. :laugh: I had to read that twice. Marc Clifton wrote: If asked to come up with a "plan" or commit to helping them out, do the Japanese style of negotiation--"I will take what you've said into consideration and I will get back to you tomorrow/next week, whenever". Thats great! I've always enjoyed sitting on the same side of the negotiating table with someone who was able to do that consistently. I usually try to keep a lot of what you said in mind when dealing with a (potentially) contentious situation. I am afraid that I let myself get *disappointed* at the way they have reacted to my moving on. I'll keep all of this good advice in mind when I sit down with the "ladies" tomorrow morning. Thanks a lot, Chris Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
Don't worry or feel guilty for the company either. Everything will work out ok. One thing I learned is that no employer needs a single employee to save the whole company, no matter how good the employee is. I am sure you are doiong an excellent job, but to your boss or the upper management you are probably just another senior developer. I once left a company and felt guilty about leaving all the work with nobody to take over. Later I learned that my boss hired 5 new programmers to continue on what I did, they just thought the work I did was easy and now they started to tackle the more difficult part. As a result, the boss got promoted and became a lot happier (I was the only one reporting to him before I left).