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Scum[^] I could have said "subhumans" but many find that offensive. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
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Scum[^] I could have said "subhumans" but many find that offensive. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
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Scum[^] I could have said "subhumans" but many find that offensive. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
Hey the Saudi's and Iran have both spent years supporting terrorism. Lets give them 72 hours to hand over the leaders of Hamas, Hezzbollah, and Al Quada. If they don't we retaliate and turn ther countries into parking lots. Its pretty obvious they aren't with us, so obviously they are against us. At the same time we should give Russia the nod in how they are to deal with the Chechen rebels. Short of killing these guys there really is no good way to deal with them. After Tehran and Riyhad are smoking holes the idea of assisting terrorists might not be so appealing. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Hey the Saudi's and Iran have both spent years supporting terrorism. Lets give them 72 hours to hand over the leaders of Hamas, Hezzbollah, and Al Quada. If they don't we retaliate and turn ther countries into parking lots. Its pretty obvious they aren't with us, so obviously they are against us. At the same time we should give Russia the nod in how they are to deal with the Chechen rebels. Short of killing these guys there really is no good way to deal with them. After Tehran and Riyhad are smoking holes the idea of assisting terrorists might not be so appealing. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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How far do you think we should go? If we gave them a list of people to hand over and a solid deadline would you be willing to say we bomb the hell out of 'em or nuke 'em? I'm really getting to the point that I think we need to do that. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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How far do you think we should go? If we gave them a list of people to hand over and a solid deadline would you be willing to say we bomb the hell out of 'em or nuke 'em? I'm really getting to the point that I think we need to do that. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: If we gave them a list of people to hand over and a solid deadline would you be willing to say we bomb the hell out of 'em or nuke 'em? i like the list idea. and i'd be happy to start with some economic pressure, first; and a little international public humiliation and calling-out, too. see how it goes from there. Software | Cleek
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Doug Goulden wrote: If we gave them a list of people to hand over and a solid deadline would you be willing to say we bomb the hell out of 'em or nuke 'em? i like the list idea. and i'd be happy to start with some economic pressure, first; and a little international public humiliation and calling-out, too. see how it goes from there. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: like the list idea. and i'd be happy to start with some economic pressure, first; and a little international public humiliation and calling-out, too. see how it goes from there It would be nice if it worked, but I don't think that when it comes gut check time that countries like NK and China (and maybe some European countries) would stick with it. I'm thinking that making a couple of examples might work better.... Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Scum[^] I could have said "subhumans" but many find that offensive. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
Sounds like something you might see on the evening news. They are all-too-human if you ask me.
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Scum[^] I could have said "subhumans" but many find that offensive. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
It amazes me that there are still people who want to just click their heels together three times and wish themselves into a world that can ignore those bastards. "Yo DUDE!!!!!!! Like if it weren't for our TOTAL dependence on foreign oil then we could like blow off that whole downer middle-east place man! Peace brother!" These idiots don't seem to realize that the world is where it is and prefer to live in a fantasy world where all of the terrorism would go away and the radical mulim freaks would love America if everyone traded in their car for a Vespa or a Segway. They sit their with the technology that wouldn't be possible without oil, 99% of them drive oil burning cars. They all use plastics and other petroleum based products. If they were anything other than clueless hypocrites they would move to the Australian outback, start a commune with lots of sandals and hairy women and plant soybeans and talk about how groovy everything was. THen you have the "Like you Americans are too aggressive eh. Why don't you mellow out, eh? You don't see us being attacked by Al Queda, eh?" Brainiacs. They fail to realize that without the USA, radical muslim freaks would be over running many countries. Why do they target the USA? Because why bother targetting a mouse? No publicity there. And finally the supreme idiots - the "Bring our troops home now" dumbfucks. Do these asswipes actually believe that if the USA came home we would be SAFER?!?!?! That if the US left the region all of the muslim extremist freaks would just settle down and go back to playing tiddly-winks and holding Koran quote trivia contests? THis is so wrong that I have no respect for the people that say this. What would happen would be all of the governments in the middle east would turn into fundamentalist Christian,,, I mean Taliban countries. And in those countries terrorist training camps would spring up and we would be attacked continously. Anyone who doesn't want to fight back and kill a thousand of them for every one of us killed is the friend of my enemy.
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Hey the Saudi's and Iran have both spent years supporting terrorism. Lets give them 72 hours to hand over the leaders of Hamas, Hezzbollah, and Al Quada. If they don't we retaliate and turn ther countries into parking lots. Its pretty obvious they aren't with us, so obviously they are against us. At the same time we should give Russia the nod in how they are to deal with the Chechen rebels. Short of killing these guys there really is no good way to deal with them. After Tehran and Riyhad are smoking holes the idea of assisting terrorists might not be so appealing. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
It's interesting you mention the saudi's. I saw a documentary the other night, where former and present CIA officers spoke about the unwritten law in the white house: You may not criticize the Saudi's, for they are our friends with lots of oil. According to the documentary, it started with George Sr, not stopping with Clinton, and still going strong with GWB. Clinton was even approached by the Sudanese government to hand over Usama bin Laden. Since the US did not have the needed evidence to apprehend Usama, the only logical choice was to turn him over to Saudi Arabia, where they could have done whatever they do at their courts. But Saudi Arabia was much too important to be bothered with such deals. You guys really need to examine your leaders, because obviously, oil is first priority, followed by the security of the people. You don't have to be a hard core communist to find that despicable. -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
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It's interesting you mention the saudi's. I saw a documentary the other night, where former and present CIA officers spoke about the unwritten law in the white house: You may not criticize the Saudi's, for they are our friends with lots of oil. According to the documentary, it started with George Sr, not stopping with Clinton, and still going strong with GWB. Clinton was even approached by the Sudanese government to hand over Usama bin Laden. Since the US did not have the needed evidence to apprehend Usama, the only logical choice was to turn him over to Saudi Arabia, where they could have done whatever they do at their courts. But Saudi Arabia was much too important to be bothered with such deals. You guys really need to examine your leaders, because obviously, oil is first priority, followed by the security of the people. You don't have to be a hard core communist to find that despicable. -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: You guys really need to examine your leaders, because obviously, oil is first priority, followed by the security of the people. That seems to follow what I saw on a BBC report earlier today. Saudi Arabia holds 25% of the world's oil reserves. How would Americans driver their Hummers without all that oil?
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
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It amazes me that there are still people who want to just click their heels together three times and wish themselves into a world that can ignore those bastards. "Yo DUDE!!!!!!! Like if it weren't for our TOTAL dependence on foreign oil then we could like blow off that whole downer middle-east place man! Peace brother!" These idiots don't seem to realize that the world is where it is and prefer to live in a fantasy world where all of the terrorism would go away and the radical mulim freaks would love America if everyone traded in their car for a Vespa or a Segway. They sit their with the technology that wouldn't be possible without oil, 99% of them drive oil burning cars. They all use plastics and other petroleum based products. If they were anything other than clueless hypocrites they would move to the Australian outback, start a commune with lots of sandals and hairy women and plant soybeans and talk about how groovy everything was. THen you have the "Like you Americans are too aggressive eh. Why don't you mellow out, eh? You don't see us being attacked by Al Queda, eh?" Brainiacs. They fail to realize that without the USA, radical muslim freaks would be over running many countries. Why do they target the USA? Because why bother targetting a mouse? No publicity there. And finally the supreme idiots - the "Bring our troops home now" dumbfucks. Do these asswipes actually believe that if the USA came home we would be SAFER?!?!?! That if the US left the region all of the muslim extremist freaks would just settle down and go back to playing tiddly-winks and holding Koran quote trivia contests? THis is so wrong that I have no respect for the people that say this. What would happen would be all of the governments in the middle east would turn into fundamentalist Christian,,, I mean Taliban countries. And in those countries terrorist training camps would spring up and we would be attacked continously. Anyone who doesn't want to fight back and kill a thousand of them for every one of us killed is the friend of my enemy.
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Terry O`Nolley wrote: Anyone who doesn't want to fight back and kill a thousand of them for every one of us killed is the friend of my enemy. Good rant and I couldn't agree more. While I am a huge admirer of Reagan the opportunity to stop this was dodged on his watch. It was also ignored on Bush #1's watch and on Clinton's as well. With luck stopping it has started on Bush 2's watch. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
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It amazes me that there are still people who want to just click their heels together three times and wish themselves into a world that can ignore those bastards. "Yo DUDE!!!!!!! Like if it weren't for our TOTAL dependence on foreign oil then we could like blow off that whole downer middle-east place man! Peace brother!" These idiots don't seem to realize that the world is where it is and prefer to live in a fantasy world where all of the terrorism would go away and the radical mulim freaks would love America if everyone traded in their car for a Vespa or a Segway. They sit their with the technology that wouldn't be possible without oil, 99% of them drive oil burning cars. They all use plastics and other petroleum based products. If they were anything other than clueless hypocrites they would move to the Australian outback, start a commune with lots of sandals and hairy women and plant soybeans and talk about how groovy everything was. THen you have the "Like you Americans are too aggressive eh. Why don't you mellow out, eh? You don't see us being attacked by Al Queda, eh?" Brainiacs. They fail to realize that without the USA, radical muslim freaks would be over running many countries. Why do they target the USA? Because why bother targetting a mouse? No publicity there. And finally the supreme idiots - the "Bring our troops home now" dumbfucks. Do these asswipes actually believe that if the USA came home we would be SAFER?!?!?! That if the US left the region all of the muslim extremist freaks would just settle down and go back to playing tiddly-winks and holding Koran quote trivia contests? THis is so wrong that I have no respect for the people that say this. What would happen would be all of the governments in the middle east would turn into fundamentalist Christian,,, I mean Taliban countries. And in those countries terrorist training camps would spring up and we would be attacked continously. Anyone who doesn't want to fight back and kill a thousand of them for every one of us killed is the friend of my enemy.
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Then this and the previous two administrations who let the saudis finance terrorist acts, including 9/11, can't be friends of yours... -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: You guys really need to examine your leaders, because obviously, oil is first priority, followed by the security of the people. That seems to follow what I saw on a BBC report earlier today. Saudi Arabia holds 25% of the world's oil reserves. How would Americans driver their Hummers without all that oil?
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
Therein lies the deception. It's not like these powerful men are making deals for the benefit of Hummer drivers. Maybe I'm getting more paranoid with age, but I when I see people in power, I get the feeling that they're just there to ensure their own future, and not of the ones who elected them. Sometimes I wonder what is ethically more correct: Being screwed by someone who tells you in the face "I am screwing you" (the typical dictator), or being screwed by the one who promised you everything, but took most of it themselves. And oh yeah.. I wonder how many in the US government owns shares in biometric device companies.. :) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
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It amazes me that there are still people who want to just click their heels together three times and wish themselves into a world that can ignore those bastards. "Yo DUDE!!!!!!! Like if it weren't for our TOTAL dependence on foreign oil then we could like blow off that whole downer middle-east place man! Peace brother!" These idiots don't seem to realize that the world is where it is and prefer to live in a fantasy world where all of the terrorism would go away and the radical mulim freaks would love America if everyone traded in their car for a Vespa or a Segway. They sit their with the technology that wouldn't be possible without oil, 99% of them drive oil burning cars. They all use plastics and other petroleum based products. If they were anything other than clueless hypocrites they would move to the Australian outback, start a commune with lots of sandals and hairy women and plant soybeans and talk about how groovy everything was. THen you have the "Like you Americans are too aggressive eh. Why don't you mellow out, eh? You don't see us being attacked by Al Queda, eh?" Brainiacs. They fail to realize that without the USA, radical muslim freaks would be over running many countries. Why do they target the USA? Because why bother targetting a mouse? No publicity there. And finally the supreme idiots - the "Bring our troops home now" dumbfucks. Do these asswipes actually believe that if the USA came home we would be SAFER?!?!?! That if the US left the region all of the muslim extremist freaks would just settle down and go back to playing tiddly-winks and holding Koran quote trivia contests? THis is so wrong that I have no respect for the people that say this. What would happen would be all of the governments in the middle east would turn into fundamentalist Christian,,, I mean Taliban countries. And in those countries terrorist training camps would spring up and we would be attacked continously. Anyone who doesn't want to fight back and kill a thousand of them for every one of us killed is the friend of my enemy.
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"And finally the supreme idiots - the "Bring our troops home now" dumbf***s. Do these asswipes actually believe that if the USA came home we would be SAFER?!?!?! That if the US left the region all of the muslim extremist freaks would just settle down and go back to playing tiddly-winks and holding Koran quote trivia contests? THis is so wrong that I have no respect for the people that say this." You have a singular lack of ability to respect other people, then. It is a truism that the political anger of the average person is directly related to what immediately affects them in their daily lives. When the average Arab no longer sees the United States ham-handededly messing with their political system, then the United States will begin to fade in their minds. That has happened in the past. It will happen in the future. But then, that would go against your premise, which is that (a) You are angry, right, and ready for revenge, and (b) Those who oppose you are wrong and (c) Your enemies (a broad term encompassing even those who disagree with your political opinions) are implacable, evil, and wholly non-human. In your bloodthirsty cry for revenge, in which a thousand of "them" die for every one of "us" (regardless of any legal due process), I wonder if, were a Muslim country to succesfully occupy America, that you would be the one self-righteously beheading one of the occupiers in revenge for the wrongs they have rained on your head. When I read about the death of Mr. Johnson, I felt inexpressible sadness. But I did not for one moment imagine that the grief suffered by his family was any less than the grief suffered by ANY family of someone who has died. The calls for revenge on this board and elsewhere are perpetuations of the same kind of violent idiocy that leads to these kinds of killings. Do not forget that Johnson's killing was in revenge for other killings, and that those killings were in revenge for other killings. It is satisfying to feel angry, and it is satisfying to call for revenge, but it is not right. Your closing statement, that "Anyone who doesn't want to fight back and kill a thousand of them for every one of us killed is the friend of the enemy" shows that your morals are pretty much on the same level as those exhibited by Johnson's killers. Why? Look at it this way. Johnson was killed because he was (a) a Westerner and (b) a technician for Apache attack helicopters. Both of those meant that he was, to the members of al Quaeda, a "friend of the enemy". Innocent pe
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Therein lies the deception. It's not like these powerful men are making deals for the benefit of Hummer drivers. Maybe I'm getting more paranoid with age, but I when I see people in power, I get the feeling that they're just there to ensure their own future, and not of the ones who elected them. Sometimes I wonder what is ethically more correct: Being screwed by someone who tells you in the face "I am screwing you" (the typical dictator), or being screwed by the one who promised you everything, but took most of it themselves. And oh yeah.. I wonder how many in the US government owns shares in biometric device companies.. :) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Maybe I'm getting more paranoid with age, but I when I see people in power, I get the feeling that they're just there to ensure their own future I get that feeling too. But they have to answer to the electorate so that tempers any great abuses. However, if the electorate get apathetic then that balance is lost. In the European elections last week the "You Chicken" party* won several seats. This threatens the UKs involvement in the EU as "You Chicken" want the UK to withdraw fully. The remaining politians realise that the main European issue at the moment is the constitution and people are unhappy with it. (I'm pro-EU and I'm unhappy with the proposed constitution, but I'm in support of their being one) So, the remaining political parties will want to retain power (and they've got to like power in Brussels) so they will, I hope, make the proper adjustments so that at the next election "You Chicken" go back into the hole the climbed out of. * I call the UK Independence Party (UKIP) "You Chicken" because in Dutch U == You and KIP == Chicken.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar The Second EuroCPian Event will be in Brussels on the 4th of September Can't manage to P/Invoke that Win32 API in .NET? Why not do interop the wiki way! My Blog
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"And finally the supreme idiots - the "Bring our troops home now" dumbf***s. Do these asswipes actually believe that if the USA came home we would be SAFER?!?!?! That if the US left the region all of the muslim extremist freaks would just settle down and go back to playing tiddly-winks and holding Koran quote trivia contests? THis is so wrong that I have no respect for the people that say this." You have a singular lack of ability to respect other people, then. It is a truism that the political anger of the average person is directly related to what immediately affects them in their daily lives. When the average Arab no longer sees the United States ham-handededly messing with their political system, then the United States will begin to fade in their minds. That has happened in the past. It will happen in the future. But then, that would go against your premise, which is that (a) You are angry, right, and ready for revenge, and (b) Those who oppose you are wrong and (c) Your enemies (a broad term encompassing even those who disagree with your political opinions) are implacable, evil, and wholly non-human. In your bloodthirsty cry for revenge, in which a thousand of "them" die for every one of "us" (regardless of any legal due process), I wonder if, were a Muslim country to succesfully occupy America, that you would be the one self-righteously beheading one of the occupiers in revenge for the wrongs they have rained on your head. When I read about the death of Mr. Johnson, I felt inexpressible sadness. But I did not for one moment imagine that the grief suffered by his family was any less than the grief suffered by ANY family of someone who has died. The calls for revenge on this board and elsewhere are perpetuations of the same kind of violent idiocy that leads to these kinds of killings. Do not forget that Johnson's killing was in revenge for other killings, and that those killings were in revenge for other killings. It is satisfying to feel angry, and it is satisfying to call for revenge, but it is not right. Your closing statement, that "Anyone who doesn't want to fight back and kill a thousand of them for every one of us killed is the friend of the enemy" shows that your morals are pretty much on the same level as those exhibited by Johnson's killers. Why? Look at it this way. Johnson was killed because he was (a) a Westerner and (b) a technician for Apache attack helicopters. Both of those meant that he was, to the members of al Quaeda, a "friend of the enemy". Innocent pe
Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
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It's interesting you mention the saudi's. I saw a documentary the other night, where former and present CIA officers spoke about the unwritten law in the white house: You may not criticize the Saudi's, for they are our friends with lots of oil. According to the documentary, it started with George Sr, not stopping with Clinton, and still going strong with GWB. Clinton was even approached by the Sudanese government to hand over Usama bin Laden. Since the US did not have the needed evidence to apprehend Usama, the only logical choice was to turn him over to Saudi Arabia, where they could have done whatever they do at their courts. But Saudi Arabia was much too important to be bothered with such deals. You guys really need to examine your leaders, because obviously, oil is first priority, followed by the security of the people. You don't have to be a hard core communist to find that despicable. -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
Unfortunately you are right. If our leadership had half a brain we would be going full speed towards other sources of energy, including nuclear. Sadly the right and left sides of our political spectrum have to many of their own agendas. We haven't built a nuclear power plant for many many years, and our industries don't want to spend the money to retrofit coal burning equipment to operate cleanly. BTW, I'm far from a hard core communist. ;) The problem is that people have it so good that they have no reason to worry about issues outside of their own lives. I doubt that that is something Americans suffer from alone, but it is sad when people are to short sighted to even try to change things like this. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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It's interesting you mention the saudi's. I saw a documentary the other night, where former and present CIA officers spoke about the unwritten law in the white house: You may not criticize the Saudi's, for they are our friends with lots of oil. According to the documentary, it started with George Sr, not stopping with Clinton, and still going strong with GWB. Clinton was even approached by the Sudanese government to hand over Usama bin Laden. Since the US did not have the needed evidence to apprehend Usama, the only logical choice was to turn him over to Saudi Arabia, where they could have done whatever they do at their courts. But Saudi Arabia was much too important to be bothered with such deals. You guys really need to examine your leaders, because obviously, oil is first priority, followed by the security of the people. You don't have to be a hard core communist to find that despicable. -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
There was an article on US/Saudi relations in the Reader's Digest recently. I couldn't find the book, but I did find a copy of the article online: http://www.msoa.com/teachers/Mr_Y/Saudi%20Arabia/Saudi-page.htm This passage sums things up well: Just to make sure no one upsets this system, perhaps by meddling in Saudi affairs, Saudi Arabia keeps as much as a trillion dollars in U.S. banks. The Saudis hold another trillion or so in the U.S. stock market. This gives them remarkable leverage in Washington. T-r-i-l-l-i-o-n! Yikes.
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Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times Loyal member of the vast right wing conspiracy Me "Kerry is a girl's name." Conan O'Brian "I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are." J.F.Kerry
I suppose you could say that (re-reading my post), though I am not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination. I am, certainly, an idiot, as much as I try not to be. Do you have something more substantive to say? Chris Same feller as Chris Q, couldn't find my login info this morning