What a classy group
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Here we go again... trot out the "Values" issue from the Party that elected a (two) President from the family with way less than stellar values history http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A35297-2003Dec27?language=printer[^] Like i said before... you guys are a F**king joke
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
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palbano wrote: trot out the "Values" issue Exactly where did I mention anything about the values of Bush, his father or the GOP? If you'd like to argue whether or not the Kerry fundraiser was as described, I'm listening. palbano wrote: Like i said before... you guys are a F**king joke Yeah, but at least we can discuss issues without resorting to profanity. "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
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Celebs Turn Out for Kerry-Edwards[^] Whoopi Goldberg delivered an X-rated rant full of sexual innuendoes against President Bush last night at a Radio City gala that raised $7.5 million for the newly minted Democratic ticket of John Kerry and John Edwards. Waving a bottle of wine, she fired off a stream of vulgar sexual wordplays on Bush's name in a riff about female genitalia, and boasted that she'd refused to let Team Kerry clear her material. ... Kerry could be seen laughing uproariously during part of Goldberg's tirade — and neither he nor Edwards voiced a single objection to its tone when they spoke to the crowd. They hailed the fund-raiser as a great event. Edwards said it was "a great honor" to be there and insisted, "This campaign will be a celebration of real American values." Kerry thanked all the performers for "an extraordinary evening," hailed the "great producers" — Harvey Weinstein of Miramax and Jann Wenner - and said "every performer tonight ... conveyed to you the heart and soul of our country." Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Where did we go wrong that spam-sucking trailer trash is the best we can put in the whitehouse? "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Exactly. And it is exactly because of this crowd that I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. Forget Iraq, these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country to be exactly the pile of crap they want it to be. As long as supporting a democrat means supporting that, I'll never support a democrat. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Exactly. And it is exactly because of this crowd that I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. Forget Iraq, these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country to be exactly the pile of crap they want it to be. As long as supporting a democrat means supporting that, I'll never support a democrat. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Kerry/Edwards don't do anything for me in any regard. Stan Shannon wrote: I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. I am so tired of voting against someone... THIS STINKS :mad:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Kerry/Edwards don't do anything for me in any regard. Stan Shannon wrote: I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. I am so tired of voting against someone... THIS STINKS :mad:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
palbano wrote: The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. What extremism? Specifics? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Exactly. And it is exactly because of this crowd that I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. Forget Iraq, these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country to be exactly the pile of crap they want it to be. As long as supporting a democrat means supporting that, I'll never support a democrat. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. what do you mean by "extremism" ? this kind:
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Li'l Annie Coulter. "When you get through, you say, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom [ie. the State Department], I think that's the answer,' and you say, 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" The Reverend Pat Robertson. "Oh, you're one of the sodomites... You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it." Michael Savage.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Kerry/Edwards don't do anything for me in any regard. Stan Shannon wrote: I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. I am so tired of voting against someone... THIS STINKS :mad:
"No matter where you go, there your are." - Buckaroo Banzai
-pete
palbano wrote: The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. Unless you mean "extremist" concepts such as capitalism and the constitutional right to free exercise of religion - I don't know what extremism you are referring to. I think the Repbulicans have done an outstanding job of separating themselves from whatever extremism exists on the right (In any case, "extremist conservatism" is an oxymoron. ) "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Kinda makes me understand how despite GW's record, Kerry still can't get a decent lead in the polls. Exactly. And it is exactly because of this crowd that I find it so damned difficult to vote for a democrat. As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. Forget Iraq, these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country to be exactly the pile of crap they want it to be. As long as supporting a democrat means supporting that, I'll never support a democrat. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: these guys don't like anything about the social and political traditions of this country and will do what ever it takes to re-package the entire country Skip some of your stronger wording but in a nutshell. Ditto, at least at the national level. I do not mind getting old. It beats all the other options that can think of.
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Stan Shannon wrote: As a party, they have got to find some way to separate themselves from this kind of extremism. what do you mean by "extremism" ? this kind:
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." Li'l Annie Coulter. "When you get through, you say, 'If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom [ie. the State Department], I think that's the answer,' and you say, 'We've got to blow that thing up.' I mean, is it as bad as you say?" The Reverend Pat Robertson. "Oh, you're one of the sodomites... You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it." Michael Savage.
When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? well, that is why i asked what you meant by extremism... you weren't very clear . and, maybe there have been such comments made at R fund raisers - by some "major league asshole", perhaps. i don't have any links handy, but if i run across some, i'll be sure to post them here. ;) in any case, swearing and insulting people is not "extremism" Software | Cleek
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Just how old are you ? Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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palbano wrote: trot out the "Values" issue Exactly where did I mention anything about the values of Bush, his father or the GOP? If you'd like to argue whether or not the Kerry fundraiser was as described, I'm listening. palbano wrote: Like i said before... you guys are a F**king joke Yeah, but at least we can discuss issues without resorting to profanity. "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
Mike Mullikin wrote: Yeah, but at least we can discuss issues without resorting to profanity. Umm - does "we" include the vice-president? Whoopi Goldberg is a comedian - a not-very-good one, IMHO - who relies on profanity to seem funny. Ozzie and Harriet ended their run 50 years ago; get over it.
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palbano wrote: The extremism of the Republican party does the same thing for me. What extremism? Specifics? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
Mike Gaskey wrote: What extremism? Specifics? Man, you're dense. Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you?
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Yeah, but at least we can discuss issues without resorting to profanity. Umm - does "we" include the vice-president? Whoopi Goldberg is a comedian - a not-very-good one, IMHO - who relies on profanity to seem funny. Ozzie and Harriet ended their run 50 years ago; get over it.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: Umm - does "we" include the vice-president? In retrospect "we" means "me, myself and I". :-O Jim A. Johnson wrote: Ozzie and Harriet ended their run 50 years ago; get over it. I'm hardly a prude. I just think her comments were juvenile and lacked class. If you feel overwise, please explain. "President Bush has promised he's going to establish elections in Iraq, he's going to rebuild the infrastructure and he's going to create jobs. And he said if it works there, he'll try it here." David Letterman
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When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." Nothing obscene there, of coruse, other than the reality behind the comments. Repubs save obscene words for the halls of Congress.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: What extremism? Specifics? Man, you're dense. Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you?
Defending the country from terrorism is extremism? :confused: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Mike Gaskey wrote: What extremism? Specifics? Man, you're dense. Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you?
Jim A. Johnson wrote: Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you? Yes. I remain thrilled that we no longer have self indulgent children running the country. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Jim A. Johnson wrote: Has anything that has happened in the last four years made an impression on you? Yes. I remain thrilled that we no longer have self indulgent children running the country. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me
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Stan Shannon wrote: When were such comments made at a fund raising event attended by Republican presidential candidates? "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." Nothing obscene there, of coruse, other than the reality behind the comments. Repubs save obscene words for the halls of Congress.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: "This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores," quipped the GOP standard-bearer. "Some people call you the elites; I call you my base." That really compels me to vote for such common, average Joe's like Kerry and Edwards supported by middle class people like Goldberg... :rolleyes: Jim A. Johnson wrote: Repubs save obscene words for the halls of Congress. Yeah, Kerry has had a bad influence on Cheney! :laugh: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Chris Losinger wrote: Mike Mullikin wrote: Where did we go wrong that spam-sucking trailer trash is the best we can put in the whitehouse? it's been that way as long as i've been alive. I won't disagree with you but just what sort of person are you looking for in the role of president? What qualifies someone for the job? Successful... Businessman? Lawyer? Senator? Governor? Actor? Wrestler? Mayor? Garbage man? Photomat attendant? What qualifications are necessary for POTUS? Dave
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Defending the country from terrorism is extremism? :confused: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: Defending the country from terrorism They're not doing that.. Key points to remember: 1) bin Laden was enemy number 1 for aboyt 9 months; after that, Bush said (paraphrasing) "I'm not giving much thought to him." He's still at large. 2) Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, had no weapons of mass destruction, was not a threat to anyone (except its own people), and had never launched an attack on the US. Our invasion of that country had nothing to do with the "war on terror".