hitler and the left - hatred or merely race for same votes?
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Nice comparision of symbolism of national socialists with symbolism of socialists (incl. some modern day neosocialists) and parallels between the groups. http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler.htm[^] http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler2.htm[^] Tomaz
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Nice comparision of symbolism of national socialists with symbolism of socialists (incl. some modern day neosocialists) and parallels between the groups. http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler.htm[^] http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler2.htm[^] Tomaz
I have read your contributions to this SoapBox and I have a question for you : would you consider French minister of Economy, Mr Sarkozy as a leftist? Hint: he forced Aventis to merge within Sanofi-Synthelabo to build a French champion and not to let Novartis get it. He also France will help Alstom (that is to say putting money from tax to a private company) so it won't be bought by Siemens. Callixte.[^]
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I have read your contributions to this SoapBox and I have a question for you : would you consider French minister of Economy, Mr Sarkozy as a leftist? Hint: he forced Aventis to merge within Sanofi-Synthelabo to build a French champion and not to let Novartis get it. He also France will help Alstom (that is to say putting money from tax to a private company) so it won't be bought by Siemens. Callixte.[^]
I don't know enough about the man to judge. I know he gave blessing and moral support to the Strategy of economic development of Slovenia by Slovenian liberal democrats two weeks ago (liberal democrats called him as sort of European "authority" - which is when they commonly do when they don't want to discuss programs with libertarian economists - we call it "Argumentum pro EU" which says "if they have it in the EU then we must have it too") But as I said - I don't know the man well enough. What I do know is what you told me and this sounds like goverment interventionism - a left or etatist policy. Tomaz
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I don't know enough about the man to judge. I know he gave blessing and moral support to the Strategy of economic development of Slovenia by Slovenian liberal democrats two weeks ago (liberal democrats called him as sort of European "authority" - which is when they commonly do when they don't want to discuss programs with libertarian economists - we call it "Argumentum pro EU" which says "if they have it in the EU then we must have it too") But as I said - I don't know the man well enough. What I do know is what you told me and this sounds like goverment interventionism - a left or etatist policy. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: this sounds like goverment interventionism - a left or etatist policy. That was my point: the equation "government interventionism = left" does not mean anything at least in France. Interventionism was part of nearly every government policy from totalitarian kings (beginning with Hugues Capet circa 990 and a climax with Louis XIV) to revolutionary regime such as the Terror or socialist governments with François Mitterand under the Vth République, let alone Napoleon and the 1st Empire. Callixte.[^]
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Nice comparision of symbolism of national socialists with symbolism of socialists (incl. some modern day neosocialists) and parallels between the groups. http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler.htm[^] http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler2.htm[^] Tomaz
clearly, mere parallels and coincidence constitutes rock-solid proof. so, therefore, i will now prove that Bush == Hitler: http://www.awitness.org/journal/bush_hitler.html[^] don't even bother arguing. there are too many parallels for this to be anything but indisuputable proof. are you convinced? Software | Cleek
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clearly, mere parallels and coincidence constitutes rock-solid proof. so, therefore, i will now prove that Bush == Hitler: http://www.awitness.org/journal/bush_hitler.html[^] don't even bother arguing. there are too many parallels for this to be anything but indisuputable proof. are you convinced? Software | Cleek
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Chris Losinger wrote: i will now prove that Bush == Hitler: Go Fuyck yourself! Best regards, Bill
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Nice comparision of symbolism of national socialists with symbolism of socialists (incl. some modern day neosocialists) and parallels between the groups. http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler.htm[^] http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler2.htm[^] Tomaz
"the Nazi campaign against the Jews we must go back to Marx and his ideas." Hey why stop there seeing as we're making general suppositions and talking complete crap lets take another step back. If we accept for one second that what this piece of garbage you seem to think is worth wasting my valuable time on lets follow it through to its natural. You see because Marx and Hitler apparently shared the same ideas lets examine where those ideas actually came from and see What Edward Longshanks was up to becuase here unlike in the crap you've suggested we read there is actual historical proof of connection in that it was Longshanks who borrowed all the money off the Jews and then when he couldn't afford to pay them back persectuted them before finally kicking Jews out of the country. ( He came up with the yellow star idea that the Nazis found so convenient ) So all we have to do now is wrap it up in some total bullsh**. I know hitler and Marx really wanted to be crowned the king of England and all the rest of what they were on about was a sham to confuse the English monarchy so that when the time was right they could both eventually take the crown of Edward Longshanks since they both so obviously stole his ideas. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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"the Nazi campaign against the Jews we must go back to Marx and his ideas." Hey why stop there seeing as we're making general suppositions and talking complete crap lets take another step back. If we accept for one second that what this piece of garbage you seem to think is worth wasting my valuable time on lets follow it through to its natural. You see because Marx and Hitler apparently shared the same ideas lets examine where those ideas actually came from and see What Edward Longshanks was up to becuase here unlike in the crap you've suggested we read there is actual historical proof of connection in that it was Longshanks who borrowed all the money off the Jews and then when he couldn't afford to pay them back persectuted them before finally kicking Jews out of the country. ( He came up with the yellow star idea that the Nazis found so convenient ) So all we have to do now is wrap it up in some total bullsh**. I know hitler and Marx really wanted to be crowned the king of England and all the rest of what they were on about was a sham to confuse the English monarchy so that when the time was right they could both eventually take the crown of Edward Longshanks since they both so obviously stole his ideas. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
Hilter was a vegetarian...and so was Bambi! The horror, the horror!
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Nice comparision of symbolism of national socialists with symbolism of socialists (incl. some modern day neosocialists) and parallels between the groups. http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler.htm[^] http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/marx_hitler2.htm[^] Tomaz
I think this misses the point that differences between left and right ideologies can dwindle to insignificance in the face of other aspects of a regime. Fascism was extreme nationalism, totalitarianism, and racism with a slant towards business. The argument that left wing policies lead somehow to this type of government looks to be completely unsupported. There are other aspects of a government that lead to extremist governments. Corruption, authoritarianism, infiltration by a foreign power are all independant aspects. These can combine with either the left or the right as we have seen from both communism and fascism, and tend to be minor influences compared to the overall platform. ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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I think this misses the point that differences between left and right ideologies can dwindle to insignificance in the face of other aspects of a regime. Fascism was extreme nationalism, totalitarianism, and racism with a slant towards business. The argument that left wing policies lead somehow to this type of government looks to be completely unsupported. There are other aspects of a government that lead to extremist governments. Corruption, authoritarianism, infiltration by a foreign power are all independant aspects. These can combine with either the left or the right as we have seen from both communism and fascism, and tend to be minor influences compared to the overall platform. ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Heh. Don't bother correcting either Tomaz or Stan. I think the correct term form them is zealot. Kind of like "Linux rules, windows sucks!"-zealots. Get my point? :) -- Ich bin Joachim von Hassel, und ich bin Pilot der Bundeswehr. Welle: Erdball - F104-G Starfighter
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Hilter was a vegetarian...and so was Bambi! The horror, the horror!
Ahh so that's why Kurtz lost it. He knew the truth about Bambi.:-D pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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Tomaž Štih wrote: this sounds like goverment interventionism - a left or etatist policy. That was my point: the equation "government interventionism = left" does not mean anything at least in France. Interventionism was part of nearly every government policy from totalitarian kings (beginning with Hugues Capet circa 990 and a climax with Louis XIV) to revolutionary regime such as the Terror or socialist governments with François Mitterand under the Vth République, let alone Napoleon and the 1st Empire. Callixte.[^]
Indeed. I always speak in terms of Nolan chart where left is by definition the side that limits or even does not recognize individuals freedom to produce and keep results of his work. They differ from the etatists in civil liberties. Tomaz
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I think this misses the point that differences between left and right ideologies can dwindle to insignificance in the face of other aspects of a regime. Fascism was extreme nationalism, totalitarianism, and racism with a slant towards business. The argument that left wing policies lead somehow to this type of government looks to be completely unsupported. There are other aspects of a government that lead to extremist governments. Corruption, authoritarianism, infiltration by a foreign power are all independant aspects. These can combine with either the left or the right as we have seen from both communism and fascism, and tend to be minor influences compared to the overall platform. ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Fascism was extreme nationalism, totalitarianism, and racism with a slant towards business. The argument that left wing policies lead somehow to this type of government looks to be completely unsupported. Pol Pot? Mao? Stalin? Lenin? Milosevic? Allende? Hussein? Castro? Tomaz