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    Chris Losinger
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    ... or lame fearmongering? http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19416/[^] Software | Cleek

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      ... or lame fearmongering? http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19416/[^] Software | Cleek

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      both. There are strong(er) strains (generally referred to as, "chronic")that are available from Canadian sources. This poses a danger to preteens and young teens that are still developing the ability to think and reason. I'm not a Dr. so this is more along the lines of hearsay, passed on to me from my brother who teaches in grades 7 thru 9. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are. Me

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        ... or lame fearmongering? http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19416/[^] Software | Cleek

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        PJ Arends
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        Just another pro-weed article by another junkie with a Phd. I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!?


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        ](http://www.canucks.com)"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03 "Obviously ???  You're definitely a superstar!!!" mYkel - 21 Jun '04 Within you lies the power for good - Use it!

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          ... or lame fearmongering? http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/19416/[^] Software | Cleek

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          So people who smoke more potent marijuana smoke less – the same way most drinkers consume a smaller amount of vodka than they would of beer – and incur less chance of smoking-related damage to their lungs. stupid, stupid argument ... you're still drunk ... and you're still high ... and you might do something stupid like drive ...


          Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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            Just another pro-weed article by another junkie with a Phd. I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!?


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            ](http://www.canucks.com)"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03 "Obviously ???  You're definitely a superstar!!!" mYkel - 21 Jun '04 Within you lies the power for good - Use it!

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            PJ Arends wrote: I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!? while not a dues-paying member of the "pro-weed" crowd, i feel i can answer this on behalf of all anti-authoritarians:

            because

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              Just another pro-weed article by another junkie with a Phd. I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!?


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              or simply when people do it responsibly ... and for the why ? I don't know ... for the high ? for the illusion ? it's all personal


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                So people who smoke more potent marijuana smoke less – the same way most drinkers consume a smaller amount of vodka than they would of beer – and incur less chance of smoking-related damage to their lungs. stupid, stupid argument ... you're still drunk ... and you're still high ... and you might do something stupid like drive ...


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                Maximilien wrote: and you might do something stupid like drive ... ... or maybe you'll just sit on the couch and watch Barney Miller. Software | Cleek

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                  Maximilien wrote: and you might do something stupid like drive ... ... or maybe you'll just sit on the couch and watch Barney Miller. Software | Cleek

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                  or the telletubies ... ;P


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                    or the telletubies ... ;P


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                    ...and just about anything else, too. Software | Cleek

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                      PJ Arends wrote: I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!? while not a dues-paying member of the "pro-weed" crowd, i feel i can answer this on behalf of all anti-authoritarians:

                      because

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                      Chris Losinger wrote: because That stupid answer does not explain to me why any one wants to scrammble their brains. I know to many people who seemed to be reasonably intelligent when they were younger and now can't hold down a minimum skill job because their brains are all messed up. Their lives are totally ruined because of drug abuse. From what I have seen, absolutely no good comes from it, and a lot of bad. Drugs are a lose-lose situation. Until someone can give me a logical, well thought out reason why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) is a good or neccesary thing I will continue to oppose them, and continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. 1


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                        Just another pro-weed article by another junkie with a Phd. I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!?


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                        ](http://www.canucks.com)"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03 "Obviously ???  You're definitely a superstar!!!" mYkel - 21 Jun '04 Within you lies the power for good - Use it!

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                        PJ Arends wrote: WHY?!? What difference would any answer make to you? people do all sort of things to themselves that probably falls outside of your defined reasonable behaviour, doesn't make any of good or bad. I hope the day people strictly live logical lives happens well after my death. BW The Biggest Loser


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                          Chris Losinger wrote: because That stupid answer does not explain to me why any one wants to scrammble their brains. I know to many people who seemed to be reasonably intelligent when they were younger and now can't hold down a minimum skill job because their brains are all messed up. Their lives are totally ruined because of drug abuse. From what I have seen, absolutely no good comes from it, and a lot of bad. Drugs are a lose-lose situation. Until someone can give me a logical, well thought out reason why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) is a good or neccesary thing I will continue to oppose them, and continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. 1


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                          PJ Arends wrote: know to many people who seemed to be reasonably intelligent when they were younger and now can't hold down a minimum skill job because their brains are all messed up. yep. it happens. hundreds of people ruin their own lives in hundreds of ways, everyday. PJ Arends wrote: Until someone can give me a logical, well thought out reason why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) ) drug is a good or neccesary thing I will continue to oppose them "necessary" ? i imagine opposing everything that isn't necessary probably keeps you very very busy. marijuana is good in the same way any other non-addictive drug is good. i'm having a hard time naming many non-addictive drugs, though - all the well-loved legal ones (alcohol, nicotine, caffeine) are very addictive. but, as with those three, it's a recreational device. people enjoy the effect, and the vast majority of users don't turn into vegetables or frothing lunatics. that said, i'm not a big fan of it myself. but i don't think it's my place to tell other people what to do with their lives. Software | Cleek

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                            So people who smoke more potent marijuana smoke less – the same way most drinkers consume a smaller amount of vodka than they would of beer – and incur less chance of smoking-related damage to their lungs. stupid, stupid argument ... you're still drunk ... and you're still high ... and you might do something stupid like drive ...


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                            Maximilien wrote: you might do something stupid like drive :laugh: :laugh: oh.. sorry that was a serious argument against use wasn't it? BW The Biggest Loser


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                              PJ Arends wrote: I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!? while not a dues-paying member of the "pro-weed" crowd, i feel i can answer this on behalf of all anti-authoritarians:

                              because

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                              Or because, now pass the potatoe chips. :-D

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                                Just another pro-weed article by another junkie with a Phd. I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!?


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                                PJ Arends wrote: I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!? WEED IS EVIL!!! EVERYBODY RUNNNN!!!! Ah wait, just see a doctor and get a legal prescription first, then it's not evil. jeez:rolleyes: <side note: JoeSox's drug of choice is caffeine, and lately Rockstar Energy drinks:cool:> Later, JoeSox "Chrissy: You know, if women ran the world there'd be none of these stupid wars! Stanley Roper: Yeah, all the countries would nag each other to death!" --Three's Company joeswammi.com ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest

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                                  ...and just about anything else, too. Software | Cleek

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                                  2hrs later... heeey, who's got the remote? :rolleyes:

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                                    Just another pro-weed article by another junkie with a Phd. I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. I have only one question for the pro-weed crowd, WHY?!?


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                                    ](http://www.canucks.com)"You're obviously a superstar." - Christian Graus about me - 12 Feb '03 "Obviously ???  You're definitely a superstar!!!" mYkel - 21 Jun '04 Within you lies the power for good - Use it!

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                                    Cur non? People are sent in jail, have their life broken, just because they want to do something which doesn't have any consequence on others' freedom. Why is weed forbidden in western nations? Because we didn't cultivate cannabis sativa under our latitudes, only third world countries did. No medical or moral reasons there. It is more than time to stop the hypocrisy and to face the problems caused by prohibition. IMHO, they are much more higher than the ones caused by a legalization process. PJ Arends wrote: I dream of the day when goverments do not have to spend money on anti-drug law enforcement because the market for the garbage has dried up. You can dream for centuries, it will never happen. Like for alcohol, and for the same reasons.


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                                      Is it possible to find now a stronger weed than some years ago? Yes, definitively. I've tasted things coming from Holland which were hallucinating (no pun intended :) ). The question is, is this weed more dangerous? Hum, I don't think so. Is whisky more dangerous than beer? Hard to say if you don't mention the associated quantity... Is weed harmless? No, of course. If it doesn't create any physical dependencies, it may "create" a psychological one (and IMO then weed isn't the main factor, somebody with such an addiction would have found another product if it wasn't weed). Moreover, some people are much more sensitive to THC, and may develop psychological failures, as paranoïa and schizophrenia. Sadly, because of the politization of the subject, it's hard to find a scientific, non partisan study on this. Nonetheless, I don't believe prohibition is the solution. Look at France, for example: we have the thougher laws against the use of cannabis in all Europe, and we have also the higher proportion of young people smoking marijuana...go figure! The product has side effects, but seems to me much less dangerous than alcohol or tobacco, both legal products. That's why I am for the legalization, that is the definition of a legal frame to the consumption of hemp, something different from depenalization. Young people must be protected, because they don't have experience enough to control the use of weed and its consequences. It would remove a lot of money from a criminal business, provide a new source of money for the government, and enable a control of the quality of the product (you can't imagine what you can find in a bar of cannabis :mad: )


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                                        Maximilien wrote: and you might do something stupid like drive ... ... or maybe you'll just sit on the couch and watch Barney Miller. Software | Cleek

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                                        My roomates in college always watched Cops when they were stoned.


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                                          Chris Losinger wrote: because That stupid answer does not explain to me why any one wants to scrammble their brains. I know to many people who seemed to be reasonably intelligent when they were younger and now can't hold down a minimum skill job because their brains are all messed up. Their lives are totally ruined because of drug abuse. From what I have seen, absolutely no good comes from it, and a lot of bad. Drugs are a lose-lose situation. Until someone can give me a logical, well thought out reason why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) is a good or neccesary thing I will continue to oppose them, and continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. 1


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                                          PJ Arends wrote: why marijuana (or any other hallucinagenic(sp?) drug) Dope is not an hallucinagen. LSD is, magic mushrooms can be ( only were for me the first time, and I took a LOT that time ). If you're anti dope, I hope you don't drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. If you do, you're kind of a hypocrite. Personally, I don't do any of them, but I don't care what is and isn't legal. To me, it's all just a form of natural selection, and I'd rate dope as less of a problem than either of the legal drugs I mentioned. PJ Arends wrote: continue to vote for the political party that holds the same view. You'd prefer to vote for a party that wants to spend all your money prosecuting victimless crime ? Christian I have drunk the cool-aid and found it wan and bitter. - Chris Maunder

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