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You are making the assumption that they have told the truth about the time spent at the camp. Whilst no one doubts that they may have been treated harshly it is a large leap to get to the levels of treatment described - note that these men will, no doubt, attempt to use the report to claim compensation The other side of the coin is that the US is entitled to use whatever means necessary to elicit intelligence from these people to try and ensure the future safety of the American people. Do these murdering terrorists and fanatics really feel that it is okay for them to take innocent lives in cruel, cowardly and degrading ways then, if caught, get a slap on the wrist, a cup of tea and a heated cell with cable?
[yawn] Do you cowardly chicken s**t righties have a central source that you get ths stuff from? Anonymous wrote: The other side of the coin is that the US is entitled to use whatever means necessary to elicit intelligence from these people to try and ensure the future safety of the American people. No, no, NO! Not in the name of this American. If we do this we're no better than the jack-boot thugs who terrorized Europe. Anonymous wrote: Do these murdering terrorists and fanatics really feel that it is okay for them to take innocent lives in cruel, cowardly and degrading ways then, if caught, get a slap on the wrist, a cup of tea and a heated cell with cable? Right.. anyone who we capture and torture is by definition a "murdering terrorist and fanatic".. and anything short of torture must be luxury condo living. Someone with a better education than mine must know the terms for this kind of invalid reasoning....
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Tony Blair wrote: we are under direct threat from islamic extremists whose avowed cause is to destroy western culture and you believe they're actually capable ? you think a few thousand people could "destroy western culture" ? how are they going to do that? as heinous as it is, knocking over buildings and killing thousands of people won't do it - WW-I killed something like 15 million, WW-II killed many times more than that. and that was western culture against itself. and look today, western culture is still going strong. stronger than ever, probably. that's why your cries "destroy western culture" are pure hyperbole. and destroy "freedom" ? that's even more hyperbolic. the only people who could take away our freedoms are ourselves. al-queda isn't going to invade, occupy the and enslave the 1,000,000,000 people in North America and Europe (and Australia, NZ, most of South America, etc.). but willfully giving government the power of indefinite detention and conviction without trial is a huge step towards destroying our freedom. if you want the UK to become a police state, then go at it - but i'll fight like hell to keep your absurd paranoia on that side of the Atlantic. fighting this enemy does not require us to give up that which we claim to be defending. Tony Blair wrote: 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.' 'They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security' - Ben Franklin (an actual person, not a plot device) Software | Cleek
Sadly, by the time Turkey joins the EU almost one third of the population of Europe will be moslem. For the most part these ar epeaceful people who threaten no one. However, there are a small minority who can cause havoc and chaos well beyond the perceived size of the threat. That is what terrorism is. You know, like starpping a bomb to a young man who then walks into a restaurant and destroys not just the lives of thiose he kills but their families and friends as well. And culture can be destroyed by other means - not just by invasion. Take the UK (please): there is a general feeling that we are being overwhelmed by immigrants (of all races and creeds) that have, within a few short years, chnaged the UK. The US is much larger and has always been able to take large numbers of immigrants with a smaller impact on the general population. The UK is not a police state; far from it and much to the chagrin of many that have lived here all of their lives and have seen it go from a peaceful tranquil nation into a violent, crime ridden society that is not policed at all. As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... Oh and we're both dullards for using absurd quotes to back up our arguments. t the end of the day I believe wehat I believe and you the same so only time will tell who's correct. And let me say I hope it is you but I fear it is me. Tony Blair
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Sadly, by the time Turkey joins the EU almost one third of the population of Europe will be moslem. For the most part these ar epeaceful people who threaten no one. However, there are a small minority who can cause havoc and chaos well beyond the perceived size of the threat. That is what terrorism is. You know, like starpping a bomb to a young man who then walks into a restaurant and destroys not just the lives of thiose he kills but their families and friends as well. And culture can be destroyed by other means - not just by invasion. Take the UK (please): there is a general feeling that we are being overwhelmed by immigrants (of all races and creeds) that have, within a few short years, chnaged the UK. The US is much larger and has always been able to take large numbers of immigrants with a smaller impact on the general population. The UK is not a police state; far from it and much to the chagrin of many that have lived here all of their lives and have seen it go from a peaceful tranquil nation into a violent, crime ridden society that is not policed at all. As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... Oh and we're both dullards for using absurd quotes to back up our arguments. t the end of the day I believe wehat I believe and you the same so only time will tell who's correct. And let me say I hope it is you but I fear it is me. Tony Blair
TONYBLAIR wrote: As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. Software | Cleek
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TONYBLAIR wrote: As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. I have to assume your attempting humour - if so, please stop - you're offending my immigrant ears. BTW, I said I lived in the UK I didn't say I was British. And how do you think it is that I can just trot back and live and work in the US? Could it be my shiny Yankee passport, perhaps? Oh and there's my memebership of the NRA...
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Chris Losinger wrote: stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. I have to assume your attempting humour - if so, please stop - you're offending my immigrant ears. BTW, I said I lived in the UK I didn't say I was British. And how do you think it is that I can just trot back and live and work in the US? Could it be my shiny Yankee passport, perhaps? Oh and there's my memebership of the NRA...
TONYBLAIR wrote: I have to assume your attempting humour no really. the last thing America needs is more people who would advocate throwing away our basic freedoms simply because they lack the ability to see threats in proportion. TONYBLAIR wrote: BTW, I said I lived in the UK I didn't say I was British no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". Software | Cleek
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TONYBLAIR wrote: As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. You might enjoy this article (strangely well written, given the source): http://www.livejournal.com/users/rfmcdpei/408410.html[^] The rumours of Europe's death may have been greatly exaggerated.
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TONYBLAIR wrote: I have to assume your attempting humour no really. the last thing America needs is more people who would advocate throwing away our basic freedoms simply because they lack the ability to see threats in proportion. TONYBLAIR wrote: BTW, I said I lived in the UK I didn't say I was British no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: no really. the last thing America needs is more people who would advocate throwing away our basic freedoms simply because they lack the ability to see threats in proportion. I would hate to lose our basic freedoms but, sometimes, freedom comes at a price. In this case it may be harsh but it will be worth it. And I think it is you that has it out of proportion to the point where you see no threat because to do so would be to admit the failings of 25 years of liberal nonsense and lies. Chris Losinger wrote: no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". I didn't say where I was raised did I? Thought not - you seem to make an awful lot of assumptions. Where do you live in the US? I must come and live there as well and become an activist with the Republican Party and get Micheal Moore sent to Alaska. Oh and I'm trying to larn how to spell rite so that I can be a good little citizen when I get there. How do you spell 'redneck'? It's been fun but I gotta go - my mom just caught me writing this drivel and she needs to msn her friends - cath you tomorrow, dude...
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Chris Losinger wrote: no really. the last thing America needs is more people who would advocate throwing away our basic freedoms simply because they lack the ability to see threats in proportion. I would hate to lose our basic freedoms but, sometimes, freedom comes at a price. In this case it may be harsh but it will be worth it. And I think it is you that has it out of proportion to the point where you see no threat because to do so would be to admit the failings of 25 years of liberal nonsense and lies. Chris Losinger wrote: no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". I didn't say where I was raised did I? Thought not - you seem to make an awful lot of assumptions. Where do you live in the US? I must come and live there as well and become an activist with the Republican Party and get Micheal Moore sent to Alaska. Oh and I'm trying to larn how to spell rite so that I can be a good little citizen when I get there. How do you spell 'redneck'? It's been fun but I gotta go - my mom just caught me writing this drivel and she needs to msn her friends - cath you tomorrow, dude...
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TONYBLAIR wrote: I have to assume your attempting humour no really. the last thing America needs is more people who would advocate throwing away our basic freedoms simply because they lack the ability to see threats in proportion. TONYBLAIR wrote: BTW, I said I lived in the UK I didn't say I was British no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". Well I wouldn't say that. English have always had trouble spelling certain words but in Texas we use the words "trot" and "yankee" quite a bit. For example you often hear "Trot over to the store and get a rope so we can hang a yankee". Sometimes we say 'mosey" in place of "trot" and sometimes we simply just say "run". Sometimes we mix them up like "Mosey over to the caddy and run to the store for some beer and then trot on down to the BBQ place on your way back - and be careful cause there are some damn yankees out there with drivers licenses that are plumb dangerous". Richard PS: If you live north of Oklahoma City then you ARE a yankee. :) "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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You seem to be awfully easy to wind up. And you must care - you kept on coming. Perhaps I could sell you some swamp land in Florida. And I will catch you. As often as I feel the need to have someone as easy as you to play with. Oh, BTW, Losinger... Doesn't sound much like an American name. You wouldn't be a fifth columnsit by any chance, would you, yankee boy?
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[yawn] Do you cowardly chicken s**t righties have a central source that you get ths stuff from? Anonymous wrote: The other side of the coin is that the US is entitled to use whatever means necessary to elicit intelligence from these people to try and ensure the future safety of the American people. No, no, NO! Not in the name of this American. If we do this we're no better than the jack-boot thugs who terrorized Europe. Anonymous wrote: Do these murdering terrorists and fanatics really feel that it is okay for them to take innocent lives in cruel, cowardly and degrading ways then, if caught, get a slap on the wrist, a cup of tea and a heated cell with cable? Right.. anyone who we capture and torture is by definition a "murdering terrorist and fanatic".. and anything short of torture must be luxury condo living. Someone with a better education than mine must know the terms for this kind of invalid reasoning....
Jim A. Johnson wrote: No, no, NO! Not in the name of this American. If we do this we're no better than the jack-boot thugs who terrorized Europe. If not your name then someone elses, perhaps? Jim A. Johnson wrote: Right.. anyone who we capture and torture is by definition a "murdering terrorist and fanatic".. and anything short of torture must be luxury condo living. Someone with a better education than mine must know the terms for this kind of invalid reasoning.... Funny, almost amusing, but not what I said. Perhaps you should reread to ensure that you have properly understood the argument since you have had to ask for someone with a better education to interpret for you.
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Tony Blair wrote: we are under direct threat from islamic extremists whose avowed cause is to destroy western culture and you believe they're actually capable ? you think a few thousand people could "destroy western culture" ? how are they going to do that? as heinous as it is, knocking over buildings and killing thousands of people won't do it - WW-I killed something like 15 million, WW-II killed many times more than that. and that was western culture against itself. and look today, western culture is still going strong. stronger than ever, probably. that's why your cries "destroy western culture" are pure hyperbole. and destroy "freedom" ? that's even more hyperbolic. the only people who could take away our freedoms are ourselves. al-queda isn't going to invade, occupy the and enslave the 1,000,000,000 people in North America and Europe (and Australia, NZ, most of South America, etc.). but willfully giving government the power of indefinite detention and conviction without trial is a huge step towards destroying our freedom. if you want the UK to become a police state, then go at it - but i'll fight like hell to keep your absurd paranoia on that side of the Atlantic. fighting this enemy does not require us to give up that which we claim to be defending. Tony Blair wrote: 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.' 'They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security' - Ben Franklin (an actual person, not a plot device) Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: the only people who could take away our freedoms are ourselves Agreed ! Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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You seem to be awfully easy to wind up. And you must care - you kept on coming. Perhaps I could sell you some swamp land in Florida. And I will catch you. As often as I feel the need to have someone as easy as you to play with. Oh, BTW, Losinger... Doesn't sound much like an American name. You wouldn't be a fifth columnsit by any chance, would you, yankee boy?
TONYBLAIR wrote: Doesn't sound much like an American name oh no, the diabolical Mr "Blair" has discovered my terrible secret. i admit it, i'm really a 7th generation Alsatian spy! and it's time the world learned that my ancestors were sent here in the mid 1800's to learn all about how the clever Americans managed to live in the backwoods of north-central Pennsylvania, and to report our findings back to Germany, or France or whoever owned Strasbourg at the time. our plan has been revealed! now our comrades in the Alsace will never learn the secrets of trout fishing and dairy farming ! blast you "Tony Blair". though we'll remain sworn enemies, i can now see that it was your brilliant but sinister intellect which earned you the title of Prime Minister. Software | Cleek
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A wise man once said "The level of civilization attained by a nation can be judged by the treatment of its prisoners". Using this as an axiom, I would say the U.S. is now a barbarian nation.
Jeff Bogan wrote: , I would say the U.S. is now a barbarian nation What do you mean by 'now'? We always have been, and proud of it. So it would probably be a good idea not to fuck with us. We will be content to ignore you otherwise. "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Chris Losinger wrote: no American would spell "humor" with two 'u's, use the word "trot" or describe his passport as "Yankee". Well I wouldn't say that. English have always had trouble spelling certain words but in Texas we use the words "trot" and "yankee" quite a bit. For example you often hear "Trot over to the store and get a rope so we can hang a yankee". Sometimes we say 'mosey" in place of "trot" and sometimes we simply just say "run". Sometimes we mix them up like "Mosey over to the caddy and run to the store for some beer and then trot on down to the BBQ place on your way back - and be careful cause there are some damn yankees out there with drivers licenses that are plumb dangerous". Richard PS: If you live north of Oklahoma City then you ARE a yankee. :) "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
Richard Stringer wrote: PS: If you live north of Oklahoma City then you ARE a yankee. So the northern Texas Panhandle is full of Yankees?!!! I dare you to go tell them that... ;P "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Anonymous wrote: You are making the assumption that they have told the truth about the time spent at the camp yes, i am. Anonymous wrote: the US is entitled to use whatever means necessary to elicit intelligence from these people to try and ensure the future safety of the American people no, the US isn't. there are laws and treaties which govern the treatment of prisoners. in none of those laws and treaties are we allowed to use "whatever means necessary". Anonymous wrote: Do these murdering terrorists and fanatics really feel that it is okay for them to take innocent lives in cruel, cowardly and degrading ways then, if caught, get a slap on the wrist, a cup of tea and a heated cell with cable? ah, so you've tried and convicted them already, even though the US army has determined these guys were innocent. what was it that convinced you that couldn't convince the Army ? -c Software | Cleek
Than you must be trully appalled that a confessed war criminal is now running for president as a Democrat. :laugh: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Than you must be trully appalled that a confessed war criminal is now running for president as a Democrat. :laugh: "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
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Richard Stringer wrote: PS: If you live north of Oklahoma City then you ARE a yankee. So the northern Texas Panhandle is full of Yankees?!!! I dare you to go tell them that... ;P "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God." James Madison, "Father of the U.S. Constitution"
Stan Shannon wrote: So the northern Texas Panhandle is full of Yankees?!!! I dare you to go tell them that... Well actually anyone who was born in the Great State of Texas is exempt - although I have noticed a great many furriners up in the panhandle lately and I am somewhat cautious about eating the food and drinking the water up there -one never knows if the cook is from New Mexico or Colorado or (shudder) Illinois. Best stick to beer and BBQ when in doubt. :) Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Sadly, by the time Turkey joins the EU almost one third of the population of Europe will be moslem. For the most part these ar epeaceful people who threaten no one. However, there are a small minority who can cause havoc and chaos well beyond the perceived size of the threat. That is what terrorism is. You know, like starpping a bomb to a young man who then walks into a restaurant and destroys not just the lives of thiose he kills but their families and friends as well. And culture can be destroyed by other means - not just by invasion. Take the UK (please): there is a general feeling that we are being overwhelmed by immigrants (of all races and creeds) that have, within a few short years, chnaged the UK. The US is much larger and has always been able to take large numbers of immigrants with a smaller impact on the general population. The UK is not a police state; far from it and much to the chagrin of many that have lived here all of their lives and have seen it go from a peaceful tranquil nation into a violent, crime ridden society that is not policed at all. As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... Oh and we're both dullards for using absurd quotes to back up our arguments. t the end of the day I believe wehat I believe and you the same so only time will tell who's correct. And let me say I hope it is you but I fear it is me. Tony Blair
TONYBLAIR wrote: As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... See ya Have fun with Stan. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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TONYBLAIR wrote: As it happens I am moving to the states to get away from all of that - as are many of my friends and colleagues. So, move over buddy, cos here we come... stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. Software | Cleek
Chris Losinger wrote: stay there. we don't want filthy immigrants like yourself diluting our precious racial and social purity. and you can keep your paranoid authoritarian ideas there, too - we don't want them. aww go on. You can send him to live with stan and they sit around in some cabin halfway up a mountain making up paranoid plots. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush