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Dream-o-crats[^] Puts it into perspective. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
The direction of this country in foreign policy sucks, imo. Any change would be a benefit. Bush's ads are ridiculous and not informative on what he is going to do for the next 4 years. Bush Sucks[^] Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Puts it into perspective. Yeah, well, looking at the world from the inside of a sewer puts it into a certain perspective, too. Krauthammer's nothing but another ranting right-wing ideologue. He's fairly new at this (I think) - certainly new on the national scene - but his 15 mintes will probably pass soon.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: Krauthammer's nothing but another ranting right-wing ideologue. difficulty dealing with logic? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
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Dream-o-crats[^] Puts it into perspective. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
Thanks for sharing, that was very good. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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The direction of this country in foreign policy sucks, imo. Any change would be a benefit. Bush's ads are ridiculous and not informative on what he is going to do for the next 4 years. Bush Sucks[^] Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
About the level of reparte one would expect considering the source. Simple short words in order not to confuse the gentle reader: Bush Sucks Kerry Blows. Yep high level politics at its best. Richard John Keyy at his "best" "Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war." letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991] And at the same time, he wrote this: "Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf." Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991] Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech Oct 9, 2002: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow him to prevail in that quest. johnkerry.com speeches Mar 16, 2004: "I actually did vote for his $87 billion, before I voted against it." Newsmax (Listen) (Listen) Mar 17, 2004: "For a President, the decision may be lonely, but that does not mean that America should go it alone." (Remarks At George Washington University, Washington, DC) And the list goes on and on and.......... but for your reading pleasure: John Kerry made a mistake of saying something embarrassing while a microphone was on. And now he's been backpedaling. So now he's hired a guy and his sole job is to make sure John Kerry's microphone is off. It's the same guy that used to watch Clinton's fly. - David Letterman Please, John Kerry, stop rolling up your sleeves like you're about to man a register at Costco. You're a Boston Brahmin who married not one, but two eccentric heiresses. You're not Joe Sixpack; you'
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About the level of reparte one would expect considering the source. Simple short words in order not to confuse the gentle reader: Bush Sucks Kerry Blows. Yep high level politics at its best. Richard John Keyy at his "best" "Thank you for contacting me to express your opposition ... to the early use of military force by the US against Iraq. I share your concerns. On January 11, I voted in favor of a resolution that would have insisted that economic sanctions be given more time to work and against a resolution giving the president the immediate authority to go to war." letter from Senator John Kerry to Wallace Carter of Newton Centre, Massachusetts, dated January 22 [1991] And at the same time, he wrote this: "Thank you very much for contacting me to express your support for the actions of President Bush in response to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. From the outset of the invasion, I have strongly and unequivocally supported President Bush's response to the crisis and the policy goals he has established with our military deployment in the Persian Gulf." Senator Kerry to Wallace Carter, January 31 [1991] Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech Oct 9, 2002: The Iraqi regime's record over the decade leaves little doubt that Saddam Hussein wants to retain his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and to expand it to include nuclear weapons. We cannot allow him to prevail in that quest. johnkerry.com speeches Mar 16, 2004: "I actually did vote for his $87 billion, before I voted against it." Newsmax (Listen) (Listen) Mar 17, 2004: "For a President, the decision may be lonely, but that does not mean that America should go it alone." (Remarks At George Washington University, Washington, DC) And the list goes on and on and.......... but for your reading pleasure: John Kerry made a mistake of saying something embarrassing while a microphone was on. And now he's been backpedaling. So now he's hired a guy and his sole job is to make sure John Kerry's microphone is off. It's the same guy that used to watch Clinton's fly. - David Letterman Please, John Kerry, stop rolling up your sleeves like you're about to man a register at Costco. You're a Boston Brahmin who married not one, but two eccentric heiresses. You're not Joe Sixpack; you'
Richard Stringer wrote: Bush Sucks Kerry Blows Agreed, but then again, no one is perfect. Richard Stringer wrote: Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume. Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Dream-o-crats[^] Puts it into perspective. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
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Jim A. Johnson wrote: Krauthammer's nothing but another ranting right-wing ideologue. difficulty dealing with logic? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
Logic's all nice and dandy, when it's based on objective observations and/or experiment results. :) -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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Richard Stringer wrote: Bush Sucks Kerry Blows Agreed, but then again, no one is perfect. Richard Stringer wrote: Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume. Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume I am sure that as a senior Senator he had access to the same intel that the President had. And reached the same conclusion. Only he has the luxury of being able to use his 20/20 hindsight because he had to take no responsibility for any actions while the President did. He just wants us to believe that he would have gone about it differently - and well he may - but his record says differently. Best of both worlds . He may really be more like Jimmy Carter - can't make up his mind and just sits paralized while the world falls around him. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Richard Stringer wrote: Bush Sucks Kerry Blows Agreed, but then again, no one is perfect. Richard Stringer wrote: Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume. Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume. that relied on the CIA and FBI organizations developped by Clinton. come'on Joe you can't have it both ways. had Lurch been president he would have been looking at the same intel. I guess what you're really saying is that Lurch was just another sheep in the flock, deciding to just go along. bad choice for leader of the free world if that is what you believe. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
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Logic's all nice and dandy, when it's based on objective observations and/or experiment results. :) -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Logic's all nice and dandy, when it's based on objective observations and/or experiment results. see any that you can dispute? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
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Richard Stringer wrote: Bush Sucks Kerry Blows Agreed, but then again, no one is perfect. Richard Stringer wrote: Oct 9, 2002: "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Senate Speech This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume. Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
JoeSox wrote: This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume. Hey the guy sat on the Senate Intelligence (boy those words sure don't belong together :-D ) Committee from 1993 to 2000. He had seen a lot of intel on Saddam - pre-Bush (or he would have if he hadn't missed 38 of the 49 meetings held during that time). Dave
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JoeSox wrote: This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume. Hey the guy sat on the Senate Intelligence (boy those words sure don't belong together :-D ) Committee from 1993 to 2000. He had seen a lot of intel on Saddam - pre-Bush (or he would have if he hadn't missed 38 of the 49 meetings held during that time). Dave
DRHuff wrote: He had seen a lot of intel on Saddam - pre-Bush (or he would have if he hadn't missed 38 of the 49 meetings held during that time). Why did he miss them? Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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JoeSox wrote: This decision was based off the intel approved by the Bush administration, I would assume. that relied on the CIA and FBI organizations developped by Clinton. come'on Joe you can't have it both ways. had Lurch been president he would have been looking at the same intel. I guess what you're really saying is that Lurch was just another sheep in the flock, deciding to just go along. bad choice for leader of the free world if that is what you believe. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
Mike Gaskey wrote: that relied on the CIA and FBI organizations developped by Clinton. :~ Mike Gaskey wrote: bad choice for leader of the free world if that is what you believe. Nothing can be worse than Bush's judgment, imo. I don't agree with most republican judgments to begin with. chew on this;P http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/16063_comment.php[^] Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
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Dream-o-crats[^] Puts it into perspective. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
He is a hypocrite at best - starts with a bigger a chip on his shoulder than that he accuses others of having. The tigress is here :-D
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Mike Gaskey wrote: that relied on the CIA and FBI organizations developped by Clinton. :~ Mike Gaskey wrote: bad choice for leader of the free world if that is what you believe. Nothing can be worse than Bush's judgment, imo. I don't agree with most republican judgments to begin with. chew on this;P http://houston.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/16063_comment.php[^] Later, JoeSox "My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended." --GWB May 1, 2003 CPMCv1.0 ↔ humanaiproject.org ↔ joeswammi.com/sinfest
Houston Independent Media Center wrote: Cities like Phoenix, Miami, Los Angeles and Chicago reported increases of around 50 percent between January 2001 and July 2003. Homeless shelters are overcrowded; in 2002, the U.S. Conference of Mayors reported that 30 percent of all requests for shelter went unmet. Great examples of progressive cities. Now how do you explain that? Show me what is happening in, say Dallas or some other reasonably conservative enclave. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: Those trends particularly increased in the first six months of 2003, as Bush’s cruel budget cuts and tax increases for the poor took greater effect, Shaft wrote. Some 60 percent of new homeless cases targeted single mothers with children in 2003. Tax increase for the poor? What the fuck is that? People on the low end were dropped from the tax rolls, there taxes were not increased. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: The lack of affordable housing leads the list of causes, according to the National Coalition for the Homeless. The Ford administration requested more than 400,000 Section 8 vouchers to help poor families obtain housing in 1976. The Bush regime’s 2003 budget request was for 34,000, despite a growth in poverty and homelessness since the 1970s. If there is a lack of affordable housing today then it was worse 8 years ago, not better. Interest rates are down and housing prices have moved very little. If someone wants to live in SF or LA and can't afford to it is there problem not mine. Housing is much cheaper in middle America. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: Workers with families who make the minimum wage just cannot afford the rising costs of housing, food, medical care and other necessities. This is plain stupid. Minimum wage jobs are entry level and are not designed to support families. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: The number of Americans without health insurance continues to grow, and what is Bush and other Republican leaders doing about that? Nothing. Not a damn thing. How many of these insurance-less folks are driving cars with spinners or watching a color TV? The # of people without insurce is a meaningless statistic unless you tell me how many of them have made other spending choices. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: Following years of decline, participation in the federal food st
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He is a hypocrite at best - starts with a bigger a chip on his shoulder than that he accuses others of having. The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote: He is a hypocrite at best - starts with a bigger a chip on his shoulder than that he accuses others of having. Great statement, now back it up. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Logic's all nice and dandy, when it's based on objective observations and/or experiment results. see any that you can dispute? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
Just look at the overall structure of the text. It just doesn't fit the bill for "logical reasoning". It's just a bunch of statements, and no premises. When I wrote my master's dissertation, I was given a quick course in the art of argumentation. I don't claim to be a master of that particular art (still haven't convinced you of anything ;)), but I do know a solid argument when I see one. Arguments are basically nothing but verbose logic statements. You start with some known facts, or premises. Then you reach a conclusion using those premises and a set of wisely chosen logical operators. I see nothing of that in that text. Hence I don't really see the "logic" in it. All I see in that text are a bunch of statements, which doesn't really lead anywhere. So to be clear; I'm not disputing its contents. I'm merely disputing that logic has anything to do with that particular text. -- ...Coca Cola, sometimes war...
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Trollslayer wrote: He is a hypocrite at best - starts with a bigger a chip on his shoulder than that he accuses others of having. Great statement, now back it up. Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
His first sentence is about a chess player who acted like a spoilt brat and then, having created this image in the readers mind starts to go on about whoever his target is. If his only way to carry out a political analysis is to try and blind people with irrelevant emotions then he should go back to his sandbox rather than pretend to be some great pundit. That is, at best, a hypocritical approach since is has just acted like the person he uses as a bad example. The tigress is here :-D
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Houston Independent Media Center wrote: Cities like Phoenix, Miami, Los Angeles and Chicago reported increases of around 50 percent between January 2001 and July 2003. Homeless shelters are overcrowded; in 2002, the U.S. Conference of Mayors reported that 30 percent of all requests for shelter went unmet. Great examples of progressive cities. Now how do you explain that? Show me what is happening in, say Dallas or some other reasonably conservative enclave. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: Those trends particularly increased in the first six months of 2003, as Bush’s cruel budget cuts and tax increases for the poor took greater effect, Shaft wrote. Some 60 percent of new homeless cases targeted single mothers with children in 2003. Tax increase for the poor? What the fuck is that? People on the low end were dropped from the tax rolls, there taxes were not increased. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: The lack of affordable housing leads the list of causes, according to the National Coalition for the Homeless. The Ford administration requested more than 400,000 Section 8 vouchers to help poor families obtain housing in 1976. The Bush regime’s 2003 budget request was for 34,000, despite a growth in poverty and homelessness since the 1970s. If there is a lack of affordable housing today then it was worse 8 years ago, not better. Interest rates are down and housing prices have moved very little. If someone wants to live in SF or LA and can't afford to it is there problem not mine. Housing is much cheaper in middle America. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: Workers with families who make the minimum wage just cannot afford the rising costs of housing, food, medical care and other necessities. This is plain stupid. Minimum wage jobs are entry level and are not designed to support families. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: The number of Americans without health insurance continues to grow, and what is Bush and other Republican leaders doing about that? Nothing. Not a damn thing. How many of these insurance-less folks are driving cars with spinners or watching a color TV? The # of people without insurce is a meaningless statistic unless you tell me how many of them have made other spending choices. Houston Independent Media Center wrote: Following years of decline, participation in the federal food st
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Jim A. Johnson wrote: Krauthammer's nothing but another ranting right-wing ideologue. difficulty dealing with logic? Mike "liberals are being driven crazy by the fact that Bush is so popular with Americans, and thus by the realization that anyone to the left of center is utterly marginal." JAMES TRAUB NY Times "I don't want a president who is friends with France or Germany" Me Paraphrasing Kerry: I've spoken to many world leaders - they all look at me and say, you've got to win. I just can't tell you who they are, I have a secret plan for Iraq Me
Jim A. Johnson wrote: Krauthammer's nothing but another ranting right-wing ideologue. Mike Gaskey wrote: difficulty dealing with logic? Yes, I'd say that aptly characterizes most right-wing ideologues (and some left wing ones as well).
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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