ban on assault weapons lifted
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/08/assault.weapons.ap/index.html[^] Everything achieved by Clinton is finally undone! Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/08/assault.weapons.ap/index.html[^] Everything achieved by Clinton is finally undone! Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
pankajdaga wrote: ban on assault weapons lifted :jig: Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/08/assault.weapons.ap/index.html[^] Everything achieved by Clinton is finally undone! Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
DeLay said the ban was "a feel-good piece of legislation" that does nothing to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. Someone ahould ask him : "what can HE do to keep those weapons out of criminals" It's the same kind of weird logic that W. said about taxing the rich ... ( I don't have the exact quote ... ) "It's no use increasing the taxes on rich people, they will always find ways to no pay them"
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/08/assault.weapons.ap/index.html[^] Everything achieved by Clinton is finally undone! Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/08/assault.weapons.ap/index.html[^] Everything achieved by Clinton is finally undone! Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
Why would anyone need to utilize a 800 rounds per minute firing rate? Killing mice? ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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pankajdaga wrote: ban on assault weapons lifted :jig: Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Next time you see a police officer, ask him what he thinks about the ban being lifted. Better yet, ask his family. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Why would anyone need to utilize a 800 rounds per minute firing rate? Killing mice? ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
personal safety :~ Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
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pankajdaga wrote: ban on assault weapons lifted :jig: Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Next time you see a police officer, ask him what he thinks about the ban being lifted. Better yet, ask his family. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
- Does a police officer have anything to fear from a law abiding citizen owning an assault rifle? No 2) Does a ban keep a criminal from obtaining one? No Nearly all hunting rifle cartridges are more deadly than your typical assault rifle cartridge. The number of rounds a magazine holds is a distant second, in terms of killing, to being able to place a shot on target. If you do that, there is absolutely no need for a second shot (no matter how quickly I can get it off). I can cycle a bolt action, "fast enough." Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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- Does a police officer have anything to fear from a law abiding citizen owning an assault rifle? No 2) Does a ban keep a criminal from obtaining one? No Nearly all hunting rifle cartridges are more deadly than your typical assault rifle cartridge. The number of rounds a magazine holds is a distant second, in terms of killing, to being able to place a shot on target. If you do that, there is absolutely no need for a second shot (no matter how quickly I can get it off). I can cycle a bolt action, "fast enough." Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote: 1) Does a police officer have anything to fear from a law abiding citizen owning an assault rifle? No Yes, when that citizen decides to go postal one day. Gary Kirkham wrote: 2) Does a ban keep a criminal from obtaining one? No I disagree. Gary Kirkham wrote: Nearly all hunting rifle cartridges are more deadly than your typical assault rifle cartridge. Agreed. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Why would anyone need to utilize a 800 rounds per minute firing rate? Killing mice? ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Jeff Bogan wrote: Why would anyone need to utilize a 800 rounds per minute firing rate? Nothing like opening up in a crowded subway station at rush hour. Think of all the great terrorist uses! X| Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
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Why would anyone need to utilize a 800 rounds per minute firing rate? Killing mice? ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Jeff Bogan wrote: 800 rounds per minute firing rate That is fairly ridiculous. Semi-Automatic weapons (which are the type of weapons covered by the ban) do not fire at that rate. You simply cannot squeeze and release a trigger that quickly. You are referring to automatic weapons. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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personal safety :~ Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
Who's safety?
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Why would anyone need to utilize a 800 rounds per minute firing rate? Killing mice? ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Jeff Bogan wrote: 800 rounds per minute firing rate Impossible. You have to physically squeeze the trigger every time. Semi-Autos are actually quite fun for target practice. Especially if there is a small pond behind your house. :)
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Why would anyone need to utilize a 800 rounds per minute firing rate? Killing mice? ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
You obviously have never fired one. Such numerical 'statistics' are pure fantasy. "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
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Gary Kirkham wrote: 1) Does a police officer have anything to fear from a law abiding citizen owning an assault rifle? No Yes, when that citizen decides to go postal one day. Gary Kirkham wrote: 2) Does a ban keep a criminal from obtaining one? No I disagree. Gary Kirkham wrote: Nearly all hunting rifle cartridges are more deadly than your typical assault rifle cartridge. Agreed. Marc MyXaml Advanced Unit Testing
Gary Kirkham wrote: 2) Does a ban keep a criminal from obtaining one? No Marc Clifton wrote: I disagree. While a ban does may it more difficult, a determined criminal can still obtain illegal weapons. Look at the UK where just about everything to do with owning guns became illegal after the Dunblane shooting in the mid-90s (where a nutter entered a primary school and shot dead several students and a teacher). Very few people are actually, legally, permitted to own a gun of any sort. However, the number of gun related crimes (other than simple possesion - which is of course a crime) has increased over the last 10 years despite the ban.
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Who's safety?
I was being sarcastic. Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/08/assault.weapons.ap/index.html[^] Everything achieved by Clinton is finally undone! Pankaj /** I'm the one who's gonna have to die When it's time for me to die So let me live my life The way I want to - Jimi Hendrix */
pankajdaga wrote: Everything achieved by Clinton is finally undone! LOL!!! Thank God for that! This law accomplished nothing, other than to make law-abiding people into de facto criminals. The so-called assault weapons it banned are no more than hunting rifles that have clips which hold more ammunition than usual. Despite efforts by the media to deliberately confuse the public, they are not automatic weapons. They fire one shot per pull of the trigger, just like any other rifle allowed to the public, and they aren't all that accurate. They are, however, fun to shoot for practice, and potentially more useful for home defense than standard sporting guns, though I question that particular point of view. Personally, I think a well aimed 9mm pistol is far more practical for defense, but each to his own. The real issue here is that the ever more invidious government is losing one of its many tools to harrass good citizens, and that's a good thing. Of course police departments are against lifting the ban - they're police, and a police state is a good thing to them. Injuries caused by criminals to police officers are most often inflicted by the same weapon that the cops carry - a 9mm pistol. Reports of police being killed by assault weapons are mostly fictitious, and in those very few cases where it has happenned the media has jumped on the sensationalism that such events cause. I applaud Congress' decision not to renew an absurd, unnecessary ban on a non-issue. It's the first sign of intelligence I've seen come out of Washington, DC in my lifetime. "My kid was Inmate of the Month at Adobe Mountain Juvenile Corrections Center" - Bumper Sticker in Bullhead City
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Jeff Bogan wrote: 800 rounds per minute firing rate That is fairly ridiculous. Semi-Automatic weapons (which are the type of weapons covered by the ban) do not fire at that rate. You simply cannot squeeze and release a trigger that quickly. You are referring to automatic weapons. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
The article doesn't mention whether the ban was for semi-automatic or automatic weapons. When I hear "assault weapon", I think of semi-automatic as well as automatic weapons. If I were to assault anyone, I'd use a semi-automatic weapon for long range assaults, and an automatic weapon for short range/inhouse assaults. Ideally, the weapon should have a semi/full switch, allowing one to adjust to the situation. For extremely long ranges, I'd use a sniper rifle with manual loading. Anyway, I don't see how Jeff's post is in conflict with the article. In fact, the picture in the article shows at least 3 weapons which I know are capable of full automatic reloading. -- Arigato gozaimashita!
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Jeff Bogan wrote: 800 rounds per minute firing rate That is fairly ridiculous. Semi-Automatic weapons (which are the type of weapons covered by the ban) do not fire at that rate. You simply cannot squeeze and release a trigger that quickly. You are referring to automatic weapons. Gary Kirkham A working Program is one that has only unobserved bugs He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
The M-16 for example, the standard issue for the US army, which is certainly classified as an assault rifle, is automatic. I am referring to the cyclic firing rate which, yes, you would and could not sustain because the barrel starts to over-heat, and you quickly run out of ammo. You fire in short bursts anyways, even with an automatic. My point is what do we need it for? The only case that can really be made is that it lends fire-power to the people (the "militia") so that if the U.S. does in some improbable manner get taken over by hordes of criminals and barbarians, the average person can readily defend themselves. Is this what these people are thinking? I ask because I have searched high and low for arguments on both sides of the argument and they are extemely thin. No one seems to explain their position in the gun debate. ----------------------------- All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.