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'NO AL QAEDA-SADDAM LINK'[^] Opinions? Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
I found a link to the full transcript[^]. QUESTIONER: My name is Glenn Hutchins. Mr. Secretary, what exactly was the connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda? Here's what Rummsfeld said: I tell you, I'm not going to answer the question. I have seen the answer to that question migrate in the intelligence community over the period of a year in the most amazing way. Second, there are differences in the intelligence community as to what the relationship was. To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two. There are--I just read an intelligence report recently about one person who's connected to al Qaeda, who was in and out of Iraq, and there's the most tortured description of why he might have had a relationship, and why he might not have had a relationship. There are reports about people in Saddam Hussein's intelligence service meeting in one country or another with al Qaeda people from one person to another, which may have been indicative of something, or may not have been. It may have been something that was not representative of a hard linkage. What we do know is that Saddam Hussein was on the terrorist list. We do know they were giving $25,000 to suicide bombers. So, this is not the Little Sisters of the Poor. [Laughter.] But, what I would--to answer it, when I'm in Washington, I pull out a piece of paper and say, I don't know, because I'm not in that business, but I'll tell you what the CIA thinks, and I read it--the public version of it. If you want a--not terribly current now, but [former Director of Central Intelligence] George Tenet did testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee, and a version of it was unclassified--declassified--later which you can get and read if you want to see the answer that he gave. But it is--it is--the relationships between these folks are complicated. They evolve and change over time. In many cases, these different networks have common funders. In many cases, they cooperate not in a chain of command, but in a loose affiliation--a franchising arrangement almost, where they go do different things and cooperate, but they're not, in the case of al Qaeda, most--my impression is, most of the senior people have actually sw
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'NO AL QAEDA-SADDAM LINK'[^] Opinions? Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."
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I found a link to the full transcript[^]. QUESTIONER: My name is Glenn Hutchins. Mr. Secretary, what exactly was the connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda? Here's what Rummsfeld said: I tell you, I'm not going to answer the question. I have seen the answer to that question migrate in the intelligence community over the period of a year in the most amazing way. Second, there are differences in the intelligence community as to what the relationship was. To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two. There are--I just read an intelligence report recently about one person who's connected to al Qaeda, who was in and out of Iraq, and there's the most tortured description of why he might have had a relationship, and why he might not have had a relationship. There are reports about people in Saddam Hussein's intelligence service meeting in one country or another with al Qaeda people from one person to another, which may have been indicative of something, or may not have been. It may have been something that was not representative of a hard linkage. What we do know is that Saddam Hussein was on the terrorist list. We do know they were giving $25,000 to suicide bombers. So, this is not the Little Sisters of the Poor. [Laughter.] But, what I would--to answer it, when I'm in Washington, I pull out a piece of paper and say, I don't know, because I'm not in that business, but I'll tell you what the CIA thinks, and I read it--the public version of it. If you want a--not terribly current now, but [former Director of Central Intelligence] George Tenet did testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee, and a version of it was unclassified--declassified--later which you can get and read if you want to see the answer that he gave. But it is--it is--the relationships between these folks are complicated. They evolve and change over time. In many cases, these different networks have common funders. In many cases, they cooperate not in a chain of command, but in a loose affiliation--a franchising arrangement almost, where they go do different things and cooperate, but they're not, in the case of al Qaeda, most--my impression is, most of the senior people have actually sw
thanks, Jason. BW The Biggest Loser
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I found a link to the full transcript[^]. QUESTIONER: My name is Glenn Hutchins. Mr. Secretary, what exactly was the connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda? Here's what Rummsfeld said: I tell you, I'm not going to answer the question. I have seen the answer to that question migrate in the intelligence community over the period of a year in the most amazing way. Second, there are differences in the intelligence community as to what the relationship was. To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two. There are--I just read an intelligence report recently about one person who's connected to al Qaeda, who was in and out of Iraq, and there's the most tortured description of why he might have had a relationship, and why he might not have had a relationship. There are reports about people in Saddam Hussein's intelligence service meeting in one country or another with al Qaeda people from one person to another, which may have been indicative of something, or may not have been. It may have been something that was not representative of a hard linkage. What we do know is that Saddam Hussein was on the terrorist list. We do know they were giving $25,000 to suicide bombers. So, this is not the Little Sisters of the Poor. [Laughter.] But, what I would--to answer it, when I'm in Washington, I pull out a piece of paper and say, I don't know, because I'm not in that business, but I'll tell you what the CIA thinks, and I read it--the public version of it. If you want a--not terribly current now, but [former Director of Central Intelligence] George Tenet did testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee, and a version of it was unclassified--declassified--later which you can get and read if you want to see the answer that he gave. But it is--it is--the relationships between these folks are complicated. They evolve and change over time. In many cases, these different networks have common funders. In many cases, they cooperate not in a chain of command, but in a loose affiliation--a franchising arrangement almost, where they go do different things and cooperate, but they're not, in the case of al Qaeda, most--my impression is, most of the senior people have actually sw
there's some kind of hypocrisy from the US and western governments, who didn't hesitate to finance, support and arm terrorist groups when it fitted their interest. For example, who supported Bin Laden during the 80's? Every western country with some power on the international scene plays the same dirty tricks. Claiming thereafter it's bad is considering us as dumbasses.
Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."
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there's some kind of hypocrisy from the US and western governments, who didn't hesitate to finance, support and arm terrorist groups when it fitted their interest. For example, who supported Bin Laden during the 80's? Every western country with some power on the international scene plays the same dirty tricks. Claiming thereafter it's bad is considering us as dumbasses.
Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."
K(arl) wrote: Every western country with some power on the international scene plays the same dirty tricks :omg: we are after all only human, n'est-ce pas? BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
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there's some kind of hypocrisy from the US and western governments, who didn't hesitate to finance, support and arm terrorist groups when it fitted their interest. For example, who supported Bin Laden during the 80's? Every western country with some power on the international scene plays the same dirty tricks. Claiming thereafter it's bad is considering us as dumbasses.
Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."
Hindsite has terribal tunnel vision. We have to deal with the world as it exists, not as it might be. Who knew in 1980 that Bin Laden would attack the US? Sure we knew he wasn't a nice guy, but he was opposing worse people at the time, so what could be done? The world is far too complex for simple finger pointing to what was done 20 years ago. Perhaps if the US hadn't support Bin Laden the Soviet Union would have made it, and then attacked the US themselves? Extreemly unlikly perhaps, but then in the 80's I don't think it would be reasonable to think that Bin Laden would attack the US. I'll readially admit to not knowing what was known about Bin Laden back then though. Maybe they should have done something different. Since we cannot examine all alternate parrell universes to see which is best, we will never know.
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Hindsite has terribal tunnel vision. We have to deal with the world as it exists, not as it might be. Who knew in 1980 that Bin Laden would attack the US? Sure we knew he wasn't a nice guy, but he was opposing worse people at the time, so what could be done? The world is far too complex for simple finger pointing to what was done 20 years ago. Perhaps if the US hadn't support Bin Laden the Soviet Union would have made it, and then attacked the US themselves? Extreemly unlikly perhaps, but then in the 80's I don't think it would be reasonable to think that Bin Laden would attack the US. I'll readially admit to not knowing what was known about Bin Laden back then though. Maybe they should have done something different. Since we cannot examine all alternate parrell universes to see which is best, we will never know.
Only a fool feeds a venomous snake. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
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Only a fool feeds a venomous snake. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
ColinDavies wrote: Only a fool feeds a venomous snake. Unless the poisonous snake is the only thing between you and the knife-wielding maniac that's staring you down. Sometimes things are foobar from the beginning. It's certainly not a wholesale justification for any course of action, but we can't look on the past with such tunnel-vision that completely ignores context and what was not reasonably knowable at that point in time. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
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I found a link to the full transcript[^]. QUESTIONER: My name is Glenn Hutchins. Mr. Secretary, what exactly was the connection between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda? Here's what Rummsfeld said: I tell you, I'm not going to answer the question. I have seen the answer to that question migrate in the intelligence community over the period of a year in the most amazing way. Second, there are differences in the intelligence community as to what the relationship was. To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two. There are--I just read an intelligence report recently about one person who's connected to al Qaeda, who was in and out of Iraq, and there's the most tortured description of why he might have had a relationship, and why he might not have had a relationship. There are reports about people in Saddam Hussein's intelligence service meeting in one country or another with al Qaeda people from one person to another, which may have been indicative of something, or may not have been. It may have been something that was not representative of a hard linkage. What we do know is that Saddam Hussein was on the terrorist list. We do know they were giving $25,000 to suicide bombers. So, this is not the Little Sisters of the Poor. [Laughter.] But, what I would--to answer it, when I'm in Washington, I pull out a piece of paper and say, I don't know, because I'm not in that business, but I'll tell you what the CIA thinks, and I read it--the public version of it. If you want a--not terribly current now, but [former Director of Central Intelligence] George Tenet did testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee, and a version of it was unclassified--declassified--later which you can get and read if you want to see the answer that he gave. But it is--it is--the relationships between these folks are complicated. They evolve and change over time. In many cases, these different networks have common funders. In many cases, they cooperate not in a chain of command, but in a loose affiliation--a franchising arrangement almost, where they go do different things and cooperate, but they're not, in the case of al Qaeda, most--my impression is, most of the senior people have actually sw
Hey, don't mix the facts with people's pre-conceived opinions. :) Jeremy Falcon
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Can someone post a link to his original testimony before the CFR? I'd like to see his full statement before jumping to conclusions. Here is his retraction[^].
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blogJason Henderson wrote: Here is his retraction[^]. Argh! Damn! Flip-Flopper ;P
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ColinDavies wrote: Only a fool feeds a venomous snake. Unless the poisonous snake is the only thing between you and the knife-wielding maniac that's staring you down. Sometimes things are foobar from the beginning. It's certainly not a wholesale justification for any course of action, but we can't look on the past with such tunnel-vision that completely ignores context and what was not reasonably knowable at that point in time. -- Russell Morris "So, broccoli, mother says you're good for me... but I'm afraid I'm no good for you!" - Stewy
It's also dangerous to stop feeding a snake that you have previously fed. Regardz Colin J Davies Attention: It's finally arrived, The worlds first DSP.
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'NO AL QAEDA-SADDAM LINK'[^] Opinions? Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Apparently Rumsfeld have flip-flopped, so that today he thinks that there WAS an Al-Qaeda-Saddam link... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Hindsite has terribal tunnel vision. We have to deal with the world as it exists, not as it might be. Who knew in 1980 that Bin Laden would attack the US? Sure we knew he wasn't a nice guy, but he was opposing worse people at the time, so what could be done? The world is far too complex for simple finger pointing to what was done 20 years ago. Perhaps if the US hadn't support Bin Laden the Soviet Union would have made it, and then attacked the US themselves? Extreemly unlikly perhaps, but then in the 80's I don't think it would be reasonable to think that Bin Laden would attack the US. I'll readially admit to not knowing what was known about Bin Laden back then though. Maybe they should have done something different. Since we cannot examine all alternate parrell universes to see which is best, we will never know.
Who is this mr. Hindsite and why does he have the tunnel vision of mr. Terribal? ;P "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus