Hate campaigns in the EU
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The ghost of extreme Marxism, Lacanism, and Chomskism has fathered recent hate campaigns against Neelie Kroes and Rocco Buttiglione in Europe. What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? What made so called "Civil Liberties Committee" reject Buttiglione? He said that "he regards homosexuality as a sin and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband". Personal conviction about family and homosexuality seems to be a crime in Europe. But only if liberal (Am. libertarian) as with Neelie Kroes or conservative as with Rocco Buttiglione. In Europe it is acceptable to be commie, socialist or marxist; but not to go to church, have positive opinions about America and (god forbids) GOP and support low taxes and small goverment. More people in Europe should read books like You can't say that[^]. Tomaz
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The ghost of extreme Marxism, Lacanism, and Chomskism has fathered recent hate campaigns against Neelie Kroes and Rocco Buttiglione in Europe. What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? What made so called "Civil Liberties Committee" reject Buttiglione? He said that "he regards homosexuality as a sin and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband". Personal conviction about family and homosexuality seems to be a crime in Europe. But only if liberal (Am. libertarian) as with Neelie Kroes or conservative as with Rocco Buttiglione. In Europe it is acceptable to be commie, socialist or marxist; but not to go to church, have positive opinions about America and (god forbids) GOP and support low taxes and small goverment. More people in Europe should read books like You can't say that[^]. Tomaz
A little stilted and un-informative there Tomaz. Who's to say a right-wing christian should be sitting on a Civil Liberties committee? Historically strong right-wing bias has not led itself to a reasonable assessment and protection of civil liberties, but as you clearly state, (every time :-)), neither has a strong left-wing bias. Both political wings generally lead and strive towards more governmental control and a nanny-state mentality, wheras civil liberties should be about freedom from those controls, but protection from unfair treatment because of your views. Homosexuality isn't a sin, and shouldn't be regarded as so as Religion should play no part in politics or policy in the EU, and if marriage exists (as you state Buttiglione believes) to subjegate women to a point of near-slavery shouldn't it be outlawed in order to protect the civil liberties of women? Can you never accept that at times it's perfectly reasonable to doubt someones ability to perform a role due to concerns that their own personal viewpoint could affect the role they're performing and thusly the validitay and legitimacy of the EU as a whole? Don't get me wrong I'm politically middle of the road, and I'd like to see less legislation and nanny state mentality and more freedom from Government, but don't believe it's possible with too strong a bias to the right or left. Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
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The ghost of extreme Marxism, Lacanism, and Chomskism has fathered recent hate campaigns against Neelie Kroes and Rocco Buttiglione in Europe. What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? What made so called "Civil Liberties Committee" reject Buttiglione? He said that "he regards homosexuality as a sin and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband". Personal conviction about family and homosexuality seems to be a crime in Europe. But only if liberal (Am. libertarian) as with Neelie Kroes or conservative as with Rocco Buttiglione. In Europe it is acceptable to be commie, socialist or marxist; but not to go to church, have positive opinions about America and (god forbids) GOP and support low taxes and small goverment. More people in Europe should read books like You can't say that[^]. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? While I personally think that it is dreadfull to say that homosexuality is a sin, and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband, I wouldn't mind if he was in a commitee for farming or energy. But to put him in the commitee for Civil Liberties would be like putting Bin Laden in a commitee for Religious Freedom, or Ariel Sharon as a Chairman for Human Rights Watch. "marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband", Hah!, if he said that to my girlfriends face, he would find out how hard it is to pick up his teeth with broken fingers. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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The ghost of extreme Marxism, Lacanism, and Chomskism has fathered recent hate campaigns against Neelie Kroes and Rocco Buttiglione in Europe. What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? What made so called "Civil Liberties Committee" reject Buttiglione? He said that "he regards homosexuality as a sin and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband". Personal conviction about family and homosexuality seems to be a crime in Europe. But only if liberal (Am. libertarian) as with Neelie Kroes or conservative as with Rocco Buttiglione. In Europe it is acceptable to be commie, socialist or marxist; but not to go to church, have positive opinions about America and (god forbids) GOP and support low taxes and small goverment. More people in Europe should read books like You can't say that[^]. Tomaz
As always, you try to distort the truth to fit your paranoid whims. I'm nonetheless surprized that you, a so-called libertarian, try to defend somebody who is for the limitation of individual liberties. What is potentially shocking is that a conservative bigot is chosen to be the commissioner in charge of justice and civil liberties. Would he be in charge of infrastructures or agriculture would the debate not exist. How somebody who has prejudice against a part of the population because of sexual orientation, who is anti-abortion, who opposes artificial insemination and has declared that "children who only have a mother and no father are the children of a not very good mother" can be expected to be fair to anyone? Also, you should begin to learn what democracy means, and understand the underlying respect of the decisions voted by an elected parliament, even if it doesn't fit your convictions. By throwing anathemas and propagating lies, you act the way you lend to the people having a different opinion than yours. Never heard about mote and beam, I presume?
Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."
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Tomaž Štih wrote: What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? While I personally think that it is dreadfull to say that homosexuality is a sin, and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband, I wouldn't mind if he was in a commitee for farming or energy. But to put him in the commitee for Civil Liberties would be like putting Bin Laden in a commitee for Religious Freedom, or Ariel Sharon as a Chairman for Human Rights Watch. "marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband", Hah!, if he said that to my girlfriends face, he would find out how hard it is to pick up his teeth with broken fingers. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
I do not share his views, don't get me wrong. I would appreciate if you bring a chain for your girlfriend on next CP get-together, though. She seems rather agressive type. :-D But I do oppose the predominant view in Europe that civil liberties are inherently something left. Part of civil liberties is also allowing people to have their personal beliefs. And conservativism is one of these beliefs. I belive that a person can respect freedoms of other individuals even if he does not agree with them - if not then, well, we're all unfit for civil liberties committee. Tomaz
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The ghost of extreme Marxism, Lacanism, and Chomskism has fathered recent hate campaigns against Neelie Kroes and Rocco Buttiglione in Europe. What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? What made so called "Civil Liberties Committee" reject Buttiglione? He said that "he regards homosexuality as a sin and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband". Personal conviction about family and homosexuality seems to be a crime in Europe. But only if liberal (Am. libertarian) as with Neelie Kroes or conservative as with Rocco Buttiglione. In Europe it is acceptable to be commie, socialist or marxist; but not to go to church, have positive opinions about America and (god forbids) GOP and support low taxes and small goverment. More people in Europe should read books like You can't say that[^]. Tomaz
I can only speak for myself, but it's certainly acceptable for me to go to church. The fact that I'm transsexual and ambi doesn't matter - just that I have Faith. :cool: Personally I think Buttiglone is in the wrong position, as in that post his views cause a conflict of interest with his remit. Had Peter Tatchell (an extreme gay rights campaigner) or David Blunkett (the UK Home Secretary, and probably the biggest offender in eroding civil liberties in the UK in recent years) been in line for the position the same conflict of interest would have arisen. Anna :rose: Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "Be yourself - not what others think you should be" - Marcia Graesch "Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart" - A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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As always, you try to distort the truth to fit your paranoid whims. I'm nonetheless surprized that you, a so-called libertarian, try to defend somebody who is for the limitation of individual liberties. What is potentially shocking is that a conservative bigot is chosen to be the commissioner in charge of justice and civil liberties. Would he be in charge of infrastructures or agriculture would the debate not exist. How somebody who has prejudice against a part of the population because of sexual orientation, who is anti-abortion, who opposes artificial insemination and has declared that "children who only have a mother and no father are the children of a not very good mother" can be expected to be fair to anyone? Also, you should begin to learn what democracy means, and understand the underlying respect of the decisions voted by an elected parliament, even if it doesn't fit your convictions. By throwing anathemas and propagating lies, you act the way you lend to the people having a different opinion than yours. Never heard about mote and beam, I presume?
Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."
I'm nonetheless surprized that you, a so-called libertarian, try to defend somebody who is for the limitation of individual liberties. That is because this man speaks of his personal views. It is his personal view that homosexuallity is a sin. He has a right to it. And it is his personal view that marriage is between man and woman and man has to play role of protector. That being his personal view it means that if he can find a woman who shares this view it is perfectly acceptable that two consenting adults create a family based on this value. And you're talking about him as if there would be something generally wrong with him because he holds such personal views. Civil liberties is all about being able to have personal views...regardless of what they are (that's the trick). You think he has prejudice againsta a part of the population. What makes your viewpoint correct? What if you have prejudice to someone because of his religious orientation? I do know what democracy is, propaganda being part of it. But the guy did not say 1/10th of what is being published these days by mainstream left papers. And, btw, my wriiting is also part of democratic process - in case you forgot. ;) Tomaz
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I do not share his views, don't get me wrong. I would appreciate if you bring a chain for your girlfriend on next CP get-together, though. She seems rather agressive type. :-D But I do oppose the predominant view in Europe that civil liberties are inherently something left. Part of civil liberties is also allowing people to have their personal beliefs. And conservativism is one of these beliefs. I belive that a person can respect freedoms of other individuals even if he does not agree with them - if not then, well, we're all unfit for civil liberties committee. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: But I do oppose the predominant view in Europe that civil liberties are inherently something left. Part of civil liberties is also allowing people to have their personal beliefs. And conservativism is one of these beliefs. The problem is, that the point of the commitee, is not to protect the liberties of the board members, but the liberties of the entire European population. His views are not only in conflict with both the left AND the right wing parties, excluded the very small nazi and hard-core Christian parties, of Europe, but with Civil Liberty itself. It would be ridiculous to have such a person sitting in that particular commitee, actually it would be a statement saying: "We give a f... about Civil Liberties". I can't see how you can think of this as a political subject, it's a question of choosing the right man for the right job, or in this case, not choosing the wrong man. We wouldn't wan't a former bankrobber in charge of the economy either, would we? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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I'm nonetheless surprized that you, a so-called libertarian, try to defend somebody who is for the limitation of individual liberties. That is because this man speaks of his personal views. It is his personal view that homosexuallity is a sin. He has a right to it. And it is his personal view that marriage is between man and woman and man has to play role of protector. That being his personal view it means that if he can find a woman who shares this view it is perfectly acceptable that two consenting adults create a family based on this value. And you're talking about him as if there would be something generally wrong with him because he holds such personal views. Civil liberties is all about being able to have personal views...regardless of what they are (that's the trick). You think he has prejudice againsta a part of the population. What makes your viewpoint correct? What if you have prejudice to someone because of his religious orientation? I do know what democracy is, propaganda being part of it. But the guy did not say 1/10th of what is being published these days by mainstream left papers. And, btw, my wriiting is also part of democratic process - in case you forgot. ;) Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: And you're talking about him as if there would be something generally wrong with him because he holds such personal views. :omg: Are you trying to say that there isn't! Anyway, He's suited for this job, in the same way that a Pedophilian is suited for a job in a Kindergarten. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Tomaž Štih wrote: And you're talking about him as if there would be something generally wrong with him because he holds such personal views. :omg: Are you trying to say that there isn't! Anyway, He's suited for this job, in the same way that a Pedophilian is suited for a job in a Kindergarten. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
Are you trying to say that there isn't! Civil liberties are not about gay rights and feminism, but predominately about the right for anyone to have his / her own beliefs; which makes gay activists and feminist just as suitable for this job as a conservatives. It is not about what you belive in but about letting others have their own beliefs and proposing laws to incrase these freedoms. Tomaz
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Tomaž Štih wrote: But I do oppose the predominant view in Europe that civil liberties are inherently something left. Part of civil liberties is also allowing people to have their personal beliefs. And conservativism is one of these beliefs. The problem is, that the point of the commitee, is not to protect the liberties of the board members, but the liberties of the entire European population. His views are not only in conflict with both the left AND the right wing parties, excluded the very small nazi and hard-core Christian parties, of Europe, but with Civil Liberty itself. It would be ridiculous to have such a person sitting in that particular commitee, actually it would be a statement saying: "We give a f... about Civil Liberties". I can't see how you can think of this as a political subject, it's a question of choosing the right man for the right job, or in this case, not choosing the wrong man. We wouldn't wan't a former bankrobber in charge of the economy either, would we? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
It would be ridiculous to have such a person sitting in that particular commitee, actually it would be a statement saying: "We give a f... about Civil Liberties". I would see this politically more in the lines of: "Civil liberties in Europe are not just for gays and feminists (since we lack black) but for all people of Europe. We tolerate all minority viewpoints as legitimate, not just those on the agenda of predominately politically left parties.". And the fact that it is not so is what is bothering me. Tomaz
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It would be ridiculous to have such a person sitting in that particular commitee, actually it would be a statement saying: "We give a f... about Civil Liberties". I would see this politically more in the lines of: "Civil liberties in Europe are not just for gays and feminists (since we lack black) but for all people of Europe. We tolerate all minority viewpoints as legitimate, not just those on the agenda of predominately politically left parties.". And the fact that it is not so is what is bothering me. Tomaz
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Are you trying to say that there isn't! Civil liberties are not about gay rights and feminism, but predominately about the right for anyone to have his / her own beliefs; which makes gay activists and feminist just as suitable for this job as a conservatives. It is not about what you belive in but about letting others have their own beliefs and proposing laws to incrase these freedoms. Tomaz
As Anna said, a millitant Gay right person or a hardcore feminist would be just as poor a choice for the post. Let me ask you some questions: Would you consider it a good choice to elect a Mullah for a commitee for religious freedom, if he says that he won't let his belief interfere with the job? In Denmark it isn't illegal to be a pedophilian, but it is illegal to practice it. Would you think such a person would be a good choice for a job in a kindergarten if he promises that his personal belief won't be a problem? Tomaž Štih wrote: It is not about what you belive in but about letting others have their own beliefs and proposing laws to incrase these freedoms. But it's dam'n hard to believe that his personal beliefs won't have an influence in his work, they had in all his previous jobs, so why do you think this situation is any different? In Denmark we have to live with a Board for Ethics which guides the politicians in cases where ethics may be an issue. This council is mostly made up of old leftwing people and Christians, and sadly they have quite a lot of influence. They are the reason for insane laws and restrictions, like: Fertilized eggs may only be archived for 2 years :doh:. This forces parents in fertility treatment to get pseudo twins, and if the woman doesn't get pregnant inside this ridicusely short period, which is often the case, she is forced to restart the hormone treatment, and relive the very painfull operation it is to get the eggs removed. Wow, very ethical that is... Now, if Europe is going to have such a board, then I want it to be a better implementation where logic is the tool, and advices are free from religious or political influence. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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I'm nonetheless surprized that you, a so-called libertarian, try to defend somebody who is for the limitation of individual liberties. That is because this man speaks of his personal views. It is his personal view that homosexuallity is a sin. He has a right to it. And it is his personal view that marriage is between man and woman and man has to play role of protector. That being his personal view it means that if he can find a woman who shares this view it is perfectly acceptable that two consenting adults create a family based on this value. And you're talking about him as if there would be something generally wrong with him because he holds such personal views. Civil liberties is all about being able to have personal views...regardless of what they are (that's the trick). You think he has prejudice againsta a part of the population. What makes your viewpoint correct? What if you have prejudice to someone because of his religious orientation? I do know what democracy is, propaganda being part of it. But the guy did not say 1/10th of what is being published these days by mainstream left papers. And, btw, my wriiting is also part of democratic process - in case you forgot. ;) Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: That is because this man speaks of his personal views. And? He is a public man, who wants a public function. He has the right to have his opinions, but his opinions can have an influence on his political future. If Benita Ferrero-Waldner declared that in her personal views Americans were arrogant monkeys and Russians underdeveloped barbarians, would she then fit well the post of commissioner for Foreign Affairs? Tomaž Štih wrote: You think he has prejudice againsta a part of the population I don't think, he has, and because he said so! It's like somebody who says that Jews are part of a deicide people and then claim he has no prejudice against jews. This guy consider gays as people deserving Hell, but he has no prejudice against gays, of course X| Tomaž Štih wrote: my wriiting is also part of democratic process I'm not sure anti-parliamentarism is part of a democratic process.
Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."
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It would be ridiculous to have such a person sitting in that particular commitee, actually it would be a statement saying: "We give a f... about Civil Liberties". I would see this politically more in the lines of: "Civil liberties in Europe are not just for gays and feminists (since we lack black) but for all people of Europe. We tolerate all minority viewpoints as legitimate, not just those on the agenda of predominately politically left parties.". And the fact that it is not so is what is bothering me. Tomaz
Tomaž Štih wrote: since we lack black No lack of blacks here, we got all kinds of colors and cultures. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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As Anna said, a millitant Gay right person or a hardcore feminist would be just as poor a choice for the post. Let me ask you some questions: Would you consider it a good choice to elect a Mullah for a commitee for religious freedom, if he says that he won't let his belief interfere with the job? In Denmark it isn't illegal to be a pedophilian, but it is illegal to practice it. Would you think such a person would be a good choice for a job in a kindergarten if he promises that his personal belief won't be a problem? Tomaž Štih wrote: It is not about what you belive in but about letting others have their own beliefs and proposing laws to incrase these freedoms. But it's dam'n hard to believe that his personal beliefs won't have an influence in his work, they had in all his previous jobs, so why do you think this situation is any different? In Denmark we have to live with a Board for Ethics which guides the politicians in cases where ethics may be an issue. This council is mostly made up of old leftwing people and Christians, and sadly they have quite a lot of influence. They are the reason for insane laws and restrictions, like: Fertilized eggs may only be archived for 2 years :doh:. This forces parents in fertility treatment to get pseudo twins, and if the woman doesn't get pregnant inside this ridicusely short period, which is often the case, she is forced to restart the hormone treatment, and relive the very painfull operation it is to get the eggs removed. Wow, very ethical that is... Now, if Europe is going to have such a board, then I want it to be a better implementation where logic is the tool, and advices are free from religious or political influence. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
In Denmark we have to live with a Board for Ethics which guides the politicians in cases where ethics may be an issue. Can you tell me more about this board and perhaps provide a link. This is new to me and it sounds like something not very common in politics? Tomaz
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In Denmark we have to live with a Board for Ethics which guides the politicians in cases where ethics may be an issue. Can you tell me more about this board and perhaps provide a link. This is new to me and it sounds like something not very common in politics? Tomaz
Here is a link[^] "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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As always, you try to distort the truth to fit your paranoid whims. I'm nonetheless surprized that you, a so-called libertarian, try to defend somebody who is for the limitation of individual liberties. What is potentially shocking is that a conservative bigot is chosen to be the commissioner in charge of justice and civil liberties. Would he be in charge of infrastructures or agriculture would the debate not exist. How somebody who has prejudice against a part of the population because of sexual orientation, who is anti-abortion, who opposes artificial insemination and has declared that "children who only have a mother and no father are the children of a not very good mother" can be expected to be fair to anyone? Also, you should begin to learn what democracy means, and understand the underlying respect of the decisions voted by an elected parliament, even if it doesn't fit your convictions. By throwing anathemas and propagating lies, you act the way you lend to the people having a different opinion than yours. Never heard about mote and beam, I presume?
Fold With Us! "I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals."
Well said Karl. To think that this mains opinions wouldn't affect his political decisions is naive at best, ignorant at worst. Sure he's entitled to his opinions - but they should exclude him from such a position.
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A little stilted and un-informative there Tomaz. Who's to say a right-wing christian should be sitting on a Civil Liberties committee? Historically strong right-wing bias has not led itself to a reasonable assessment and protection of civil liberties, but as you clearly state, (every time :-)), neither has a strong left-wing bias. Both political wings generally lead and strive towards more governmental control and a nanny-state mentality, wheras civil liberties should be about freedom from those controls, but protection from unfair treatment because of your views. Homosexuality isn't a sin, and shouldn't be regarded as so as Religion should play no part in politics or policy in the EU, and if marriage exists (as you state Buttiglione believes) to subjegate women to a point of near-slavery shouldn't it be outlawed in order to protect the civil liberties of women? Can you never accept that at times it's perfectly reasonable to doubt someones ability to perform a role due to concerns that their own personal viewpoint could affect the role they're performing and thusly the validitay and legitimacy of the EU as a whole? Don't get me wrong I'm politically middle of the road, and I'd like to see less legislation and nanny state mentality and more freedom from Government, but don't believe it's possible with too strong a bias to the right or left. Rhys A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation... Vampireware /n/, a project, capable of sucking the lifeblood out of anyone unfortunate enough to be assigned to it, which never actually sees the light of day, but nonetheless refuses to die.
Rhys666 wrote: Homosexuality isn't a sin, and shouldn't be regarded as so as Religion should play no part in politics or policy in the EU Your statement doesn't make any sense. Politics has nothing to do with sin unless you include religion. Sin is one of the basic tenents of religion. Homosexuality may or not be a sin depending on your understanding of any one particular religion, but you can't speak of sin without religion. BTW My personnal opinion as far as homosexuality is if yah don't try and squeeze my ass I don't really care..... we don't have a problem. As for religion and politics, I would rather have someone with a set list of what they think is right or moral so long as they are flexible enough to see that there can be honest and civil disagreement between people. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Tomaž Štih wrote: What was so dreadful that Buttiglione said? While I personally think that it is dreadfull to say that homosexuality is a sin, and that marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband, I wouldn't mind if he was in a commitee for farming or energy. But to put him in the commitee for Civil Liberties would be like putting Bin Laden in a commitee for Religious Freedom, or Ariel Sharon as a Chairman for Human Rights Watch. "marriage exists for women to have children and be protected by their husband", Hah!, if he said that to my girlfriends face, he would find out how hard it is to pick up his teeth with broken fingers. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
jan larsen wrote: Hah!, if he said that to my girlfriends face, he would find out how hard it is to pick up his teeth with broken fingers In my many years of experience one of the few absolute truths I have learned is never - I repeat - never - go out with a woman who can kick your ass. Its time to move on friend to smoother and gentler pastures. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)