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Is this one of those this is your brain on dope things ? Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
If this is the best you can come up with, along with those of you voters, thats a shame. I though someone would have a decent retort. And yes i may not have said what i wanted to say as clearly as i should have, but its hard to work with people who like to twist words. But yeh good one, i feel totally invalidated. :(( Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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JimRivera wrote: Now solution time, Could you elaborate on your solution a bit? I'm not sure if you mean we are supposed to wait until after they murder 3000 of our citizens and than give them money for it, or to give them money first and hope they don't use it to train more terrorists. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
The solution is to help the problems facing all he people osama recruits to do his deeds. There are so many out there who suffer while we sit here and become rich. Had 200 billion gone to aid in helping these people turn their land into something more than rubble and sand, maybe they can invovle themselvees more with making their life work. In afghanistan, their are countless children born dead because mothers do not have enough to eat. Had we tried removing saddam thru more diplomatic measures, helping them to charter a form of gonverment that caters to their beleifs and to the ideals of freedom. If someone in Iraq is starving, and knows that their only obstacle from real releif and help is Saddam, he loses power. But you see this was not even a choice, we went in guns blazing. The best method of us to have stop terrorist would have been to denounce and prove all that the terrorist beleive. They think we are greedy and have no morals, if we help them for the sake of just helping, we disprove that we have any other motives. And when your kids are fed and content, your neighborhood secure, you feel differently about people. I see all the work we are trying to do in Iraq, but without peace its just for show, you cannot teach children while their are explosions and gunfire around. Now had we tried to influence the major religous leaders by proving we only want to improve life for them. Using our vast resources, we could have created a foudation for a charter that would be more suitable for the many different types of islamic religions in the area, a law that mixes that religion, human rights, and basic democratic principals (voting, checks and balances, etc). With the influence of the religous leader, the people are more likely to follow. Once a majority of people show favor for peace and suddam is overthrown, we help iraq's supply lines so that they can better export oil to other country, and then with their new freedom, release sanctions. In return the US should get a nice deal for oil, in return for protecting and training troops. The same could be said for afghanistan. This is just off the top of my head, a little research and time, i could make it alot more concrete. And to top it off i dont think all this would cost 200 billion dollars, i get to keep the difference. [edit] See people like you think terrorist are born, but in fact they are raised. Tehy are raised in the worst places imaginable, and are forced to endure horrors we'll never know or see. I'm sorry but i refuse to beleive that
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JimRivera wrote: Now solution time, Could you elaborate on your solution a bit? I'm not sure if you mean we are supposed to wait until after they murder 3000 of our citizens and than give them money for it, or to give them money first and hope they don't use it to train more terrorists. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Why do you think they are 'training terrorists' ? If you had seen last weeks Australian 60 Minutes, you might have some ideas. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
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Why do you think they are 'training terrorists' ? If you had seen last weeks Australian 60 Minutes, you might have some ideas. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: Why do you think they are 'training terrorists'? Probably not to kidnap international charity chiefs or kill fellow muslims who work for their nation's national guard... yet.[^] Making excuses for anyone's poor behavior just continues the cycle. No? "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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Why do you think they are 'training terrorists' ? If you had seen last weeks Australian 60 Minutes, you might have some ideas. Christian I have several lifelong friends that are New Yorkers but I have always gravitated toward the weirdo's. - Richard Stringer
Christian Graus wrote: Why do you think they are 'training terrorists' ? If you had seen last weeks Australian 60 Minutes, you might have some ideas. Ummmm... because Israel won't roll over and die? "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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The solution is to help the problems facing all he people osama recruits to do his deeds. There are so many out there who suffer while we sit here and become rich. Had 200 billion gone to aid in helping these people turn their land into something more than rubble and sand, maybe they can invovle themselvees more with making their life work. In afghanistan, their are countless children born dead because mothers do not have enough to eat. Had we tried removing saddam thru more diplomatic measures, helping them to charter a form of gonverment that caters to their beleifs and to the ideals of freedom. If someone in Iraq is starving, and knows that their only obstacle from real releif and help is Saddam, he loses power. But you see this was not even a choice, we went in guns blazing. The best method of us to have stop terrorist would have been to denounce and prove all that the terrorist beleive. They think we are greedy and have no morals, if we help them for the sake of just helping, we disprove that we have any other motives. And when your kids are fed and content, your neighborhood secure, you feel differently about people. I see all the work we are trying to do in Iraq, but without peace its just for show, you cannot teach children while their are explosions and gunfire around. Now had we tried to influence the major religous leaders by proving we only want to improve life for them. Using our vast resources, we could have created a foudation for a charter that would be more suitable for the many different types of islamic religions in the area, a law that mixes that religion, human rights, and basic democratic principals (voting, checks and balances, etc). With the influence of the religous leader, the people are more likely to follow. Once a majority of people show favor for peace and suddam is overthrown, we help iraq's supply lines so that they can better export oil to other country, and then with their new freedom, release sanctions. In return the US should get a nice deal for oil, in return for protecting and training troops. The same could be said for afghanistan. This is just off the top of my head, a little research and time, i could make it alot more concrete. And to top it off i dont think all this would cost 200 billion dollars, i get to keep the difference. [edit] See people like you think terrorist are born, but in fact they are raised. Tehy are raised in the worst places imaginable, and are forced to endure horrors we'll never know or see. I'm sorry but i refuse to beleive that
There are many sarcastic comments I could make in response to all of that nonsense. You are basically repeating the same tired old refrain that the chaos in the Middle East is our fault because we are greedy, lazy, capitalistic pigs wallowing in wealth and depravity and thats why all the rest of the world is poor and angry. You cannot find it within yourself to place one iota of blame anywhere other than upon the US. Why? I don't know - but I suspect it is because you are a brain-washed neo-Marxist. However, the truth is that I for one would be willing to give your 'plan' a chance. As expensive and dangerous as is always is, I never cease to get a kick out of wathcing left wing attempts at solving the world's problems crash and burn. The question I have for you, is after we have spent all of the money you wish to spend in the Middle East - after we have helped destroy Israel, after we have done everything these people want us to do, and the terrorism does not stop - how much evidence will it take for you to admit that you were wrong? How many people have to die at the hands of terrorist for you to get it through your thick skull that the real reason these guys are mad is because we are winning a cultural war against Islam without firing a shot, and that powerful factions within Isalmic society are not happy about it and want to stop it by any means possible. The very last thing they want is your 'plan' or any other plan coming out of the West because it places them that much more under our cultural influence. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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[edit]I was reading the previous post and i like the republican support and pride for their leader. And yes i knew (by looking back at US history) war was going to be called for once 9/11 happened. What i do not understand firts of all, history is a representation of past actions recorded for the sake of knowledge and hopefully allow people to learn from their mistakes. Not that i want to go into a long debate about past wars and whether they were mistakes, i think all war is a mistake. Dose no one understand that weapons are getting to big and too powerful to be swinging them around like some toy. First nuclear weapons, now biological and chemical, we are just looking for new and inventive ways to wipe ourselves off the planet. These weapons are supposedly here to protect us, but now we fear terrorist from having them. Nuke can,t protect you from another nuke can it, and you cannot nuke a man, only a country. Which comes to my second point terrorist are not a country, rather a group of people who are bent on having their ideas "integrated" with those around them. To thier own peole they are heros, to others, people to be feared. When the United States attack afghanistan, their leaders pleaded "there are no buildings standing that are worth as much as the missles you will use to destroy them". terrorist used poor third world countries to exploit the fact that thier governments have little control and their peopole will do anything to eat. We attack this country to still have the man that plan the attacks (Osama) still running free in perhaps the very same spot. then we go to Iraq for which we beleive then "to stop hussein and his WMDs". Wars over and now you people look for every escuse under the sun besides WMDs. And those republicans who have the nerve to justify this, i assume none of your kids are there, frankly i pray they are not. Are we any closer to resolve for 9/11, no, are we safer, definately not. This dangerous "preemptive ordinance" is a dangerous game, since there are a few countries that fit the same criteria as Iraq or worse. North Korea has Nukes, Iran is trying to test them, and there are pounds of weapons grade plutonium floating all over Russia unaccounted for. And to top it off Homeland security is a load of bull. Osama could probably cross the mexican border with a ton of plutonium and nobody would be the wiser. When i wathc farenheit with micheal moore, he was full of crap, but there was one thing he said that stuck with me. He said we take the poorest kids, give
Are you suggesting that people hand over everything they work for to others around the globe, essentially buying their friendship?? Good luck with that. BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
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Are you suggesting that people hand over everything they work for to others around the globe, essentially buying their friendship?? Good luck with that. BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
-The Stovesbrianwelsch wrote: Are you suggesting that people hand over everything they work for... Nope. Read his reply to Stan. We didn't work for it - we sat around and got rich. :rolleyes: "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
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There are many sarcastic comments I could make in response to all of that nonsense. You are basically repeating the same tired old refrain that the chaos in the Middle East is our fault because we are greedy, lazy, capitalistic pigs wallowing in wealth and depravity and thats why all the rest of the world is poor and angry. You cannot find it within yourself to place one iota of blame anywhere other than upon the US. Why? I don't know - but I suspect it is because you are a brain-washed neo-Marxist. However, the truth is that I for one would be willing to give your 'plan' a chance. As expensive and dangerous as is always is, I never cease to get a kick out of wathcing left wing attempts at solving the world's problems crash and burn. The question I have for you, is after we have spent all of the money you wish to spend in the Middle East - after we have helped destroy Israel, after we have done everything these people want us to do, and the terrorism does not stop - how much evidence will it take for you to admit that you were wrong? How many people have to die at the hands of terrorist for you to get it through your thick skull that the real reason these guys are mad is because we are winning a cultural war against Islam without firing a shot, and that powerful factions within Isalmic society are not happy about it and want to stop it by any means possible. The very last thing they want is your 'plan' or any other plan coming out of the West because it places them that much more under our cultural influence. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Stan Shannon wrote: ...how much evidence will it take for you to admit that you were wrong? I'd say about as much as you would require. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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The solution is to help the problems facing all he people osama recruits to do his deeds. There are so many out there who suffer while we sit here and become rich. Had 200 billion gone to aid in helping these people turn their land into something more than rubble and sand, maybe they can invovle themselvees more with making their life work. In afghanistan, their are countless children born dead because mothers do not have enough to eat. Had we tried removing saddam thru more diplomatic measures, helping them to charter a form of gonverment that caters to their beleifs and to the ideals of freedom. If someone in Iraq is starving, and knows that their only obstacle from real releif and help is Saddam, he loses power. But you see this was not even a choice, we went in guns blazing. The best method of us to have stop terrorist would have been to denounce and prove all that the terrorist beleive. They think we are greedy and have no morals, if we help them for the sake of just helping, we disprove that we have any other motives. And when your kids are fed and content, your neighborhood secure, you feel differently about people. I see all the work we are trying to do in Iraq, but without peace its just for show, you cannot teach children while their are explosions and gunfire around. Now had we tried to influence the major religous leaders by proving we only want to improve life for them. Using our vast resources, we could have created a foudation for a charter that would be more suitable for the many different types of islamic religions in the area, a law that mixes that religion, human rights, and basic democratic principals (voting, checks and balances, etc). With the influence of the religous leader, the people are more likely to follow. Once a majority of people show favor for peace and suddam is overthrown, we help iraq's supply lines so that they can better export oil to other country, and then with their new freedom, release sanctions. In return the US should get a nice deal for oil, in return for protecting and training troops. The same could be said for afghanistan. This is just off the top of my head, a little research and time, i could make it alot more concrete. And to top it off i dont think all this would cost 200 billion dollars, i get to keep the difference. [edit] See people like you think terrorist are born, but in fact they are raised. Tehy are raised in the worst places imaginable, and are forced to endure horrors we'll never know or see. I'm sorry but i refuse to beleive that
I've heard it said that Mr. Bush can't afford to acknowledge the fact that terrorists are "made, not born", as you so eloquently put it, because that would refute the Bush-advanced notion that Middle-east terrorists "hate us because we are free". This would also involve admitting that some aspects of American foreign policy, especially those regarding Israel, are flawed, which would alienate his "base" (the crazy Christian Right), and then he wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of being re-elected. At times I wonder if he and/or his handlers are pushing to fulfill the prophecy of the Apocalypse. Serioulsy.
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If this is the best you can come up with, along with those of you voters, thats a shame. I though someone would have a decent retort. And yes i may not have said what i wanted to say as clearly as i should have, but its hard to work with people who like to twist words. But yeh good one, i feel totally invalidated. :(( Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
JimRivera wrote: i feel totally invalidated You should feel ashamed. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
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Stan Shannon wrote: ...how much evidence will it take for you to admit that you were wrong? I'd say about as much as you would require. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So i had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote: I'd say about as much as you would require. Ask around. I have a pretty good reputation for admitting when I'm wrong. I'm willing to give his little lefty plan a try. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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JimRivera wrote: i feel totally invalidated You should feel ashamed. Richard "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer --Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
and yet one-liners still don't pahse me if i am so stupid and wrong give me facts, atleast logic. Save the tsk tsk for some less competent, i like tangible stuff. Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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There are many sarcastic comments I could make in response to all of that nonsense. You are basically repeating the same tired old refrain that the chaos in the Middle East is our fault because we are greedy, lazy, capitalistic pigs wallowing in wealth and depravity and thats why all the rest of the world is poor and angry. You cannot find it within yourself to place one iota of blame anywhere other than upon the US. Why? I don't know - but I suspect it is because you are a brain-washed neo-Marxist. However, the truth is that I for one would be willing to give your 'plan' a chance. As expensive and dangerous as is always is, I never cease to get a kick out of wathcing left wing attempts at solving the world's problems crash and burn. The question I have for you, is after we have spent all of the money you wish to spend in the Middle East - after we have helped destroy Israel, after we have done everything these people want us to do, and the terrorism does not stop - how much evidence will it take for you to admit that you were wrong? How many people have to die at the hands of terrorist for you to get it through your thick skull that the real reason these guys are mad is because we are winning a cultural war against Islam without firing a shot, and that powerful factions within Isalmic society are not happy about it and want to stop it by any means possible. The very last thing they want is your 'plan' or any other plan coming out of the West because it places them that much more under our cultural influence. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Stan Shannon wrote: the real reason these guys are mad is because we are winning a cultural war against Islam without firing a shot, and that powerful factions within Isalmic society are not happy about it and want to stop it by any means possible. I think there is probably a lot of truth in this. I would qualify it by saying that the group that is "not happy about it" is more numerous than the group that "want to stop it by any means possible". I would also point out that the winning of the cultural war is almost solely on the basis of economics --- both the temptations of affluence to Muslims and the way that economic strength translates into influence over a range of other areas. Stan Shannon wrote: The very last thing they want is your 'plan' or any other plan coming out of the West because it places them that much more under our cultural influence. Doesn't that make it a good thing from your point of view? There comes a point when success in the cultural war reaches a point where the other side gives up. Maybe the leaders don't, but they run out of followers. John Carson
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There are many sarcastic comments I could make in response to all of that nonsense. You are basically repeating the same tired old refrain that the chaos in the Middle East is our fault because we are greedy, lazy, capitalistic pigs wallowing in wealth and depravity and thats why all the rest of the world is poor and angry. You cannot find it within yourself to place one iota of blame anywhere other than upon the US. Why? I don't know - but I suspect it is because you are a brain-washed neo-Marxist. However, the truth is that I for one would be willing to give your 'plan' a chance. As expensive and dangerous as is always is, I never cease to get a kick out of wathcing left wing attempts at solving the world's problems crash and burn. The question I have for you, is after we have spent all of the money you wish to spend in the Middle East - after we have helped destroy Israel, after we have done everything these people want us to do, and the terrorism does not stop - how much evidence will it take for you to admit that you were wrong? How many people have to die at the hands of terrorist for you to get it through your thick skull that the real reason these guys are mad is because we are winning a cultural war against Islam without firing a shot, and that powerful factions within Isalmic society are not happy about it and want to stop it by any means possible. The very last thing they want is your 'plan' or any other plan coming out of the West because it places them that much more under our cultural influence. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Stan Shannon wrote: There are many sarcastic comments I could make in response to all of that nonsense. Its a shame you could not make any constructive comments that would better aid this discussion and allow me to undersand your perception of the world. Stan Shannon wrote: You are basically repeating the same tired old refrain that the chaos in the Middle East is our fault because we are greedy, lazy, capitalistic pigs wallowing in wealth and depravity and thats why all the rest of the world is poor and angry. You cannot find it within yourself to place one iota of blame anywhere other than upon the US. Why? I don't know - but I suspect it is because you are a brain-washed neo-Marxist. No basically i am saying that terrorist are people who come from nations that that are poor and suffering, and if it makes you feel better i will take the blame for it (somebody should anty up to something). The cause is not my concern, thats the past, cannot be undone. However if we were to help these countries, invest in them, give them the means to work together, you end alot of suffering. Old saying goes if you give a man fish, he eats for a day, teach him how to fish, he eats for a lifetime. Instead of shooting at these guys (something they are used to) lets try helping them replace the gun with tools, hatred with hope. I don't blame people for the situation, the US did not make this mess, but we have the power to clean it. Simple equation man, suffering leadds to hate, hate leads to terror. Stan Shannon wrote: However, the truth is that I for one would be willing to give your 'plan' a chance. As expensive and dangerous as is always is, I never cease to get a kick out of wathcing left wing attempts at solving the world's problems crash and burn. Could it be worse than whats going on now, do you really feel safer. If you think this has been the most effective way to handle this situation, then you my freind are as dangerous as the terrorist you hate. Stan Shannon wrote: How many people have to die at the hands of terrorist for you to get it through your thick skull that the real reason these guys are mad is because we are winning a cultural war against Islam without firing a shot, and that powerful factions within Isalmic society are not happy about it and want to stop it by any means possible. The very last thing they want is your 'plan' or any other plan coming out of the West b
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Are you suggesting that people hand over everything they work for to others around the globe, essentially buying their friendship?? Good luck with that. BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
-The StovesNo I am saying that if one is in a position to aid another country y not. During Clintons run, he helped Mexico get out of chapter 11. By finding foriegn investors, and investing US aid, he helped them work into becoming a more prosperous nation. They have since paid back everything they have borrowed, we made a few bucks, helped out someone. I know at this moment about 200 billion dollars has been allocated for the war (not spent allocated). I say we would have spent less moeny and had a chance to actually profit had we used negotiations and had created investment projects such as mexico. Simple thing, lend them money, at the worst they can pay with oil. Its not like these countries dont have enough natural resources to make a good living, they just need the boost in the right direction. So instead of bombing them and forcing them to do thing s in our way, we could have convinced them to handle their own accords in oreder to become part of the international trade. I would also amde these deal open so that people know its their leaders, not the US, who are trying to keep them without food. Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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brianwelsch wrote: Are you suggesting that people hand over everything they work for... Nope. Read his reply to Stan. We didn't work for it - we sat around and got rich. :rolleyes: "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick
You know what would have been nice, if you had qouted me on it, but you really can't because i was not trying to say that. In every post i have it clear that we would expect some kinds of paybacks for or aid, wheter be in oil, or in just plain money once they were able to get situated. And i also said i waould use the 200 billion already allocated for the war. Is this not what bush wants, did i see another presidential debate where he said talk about spreading freedom. Thats what i am saying, and i am using a more deplomatic, efeective, and cheaper idea. But i guess you guys worked hard for your money, so you deseve to have the explosions and death. I mean f**k me for trying to be passive, what the f**k was i thinking. Dose not pay tto be nice anymore, but i do it anyway. ;P Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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[edit]I was reading the previous post and i like the republican support and pride for their leader. And yes i knew (by looking back at US history) war was going to be called for once 9/11 happened. What i do not understand firts of all, history is a representation of past actions recorded for the sake of knowledge and hopefully allow people to learn from their mistakes. Not that i want to go into a long debate about past wars and whether they were mistakes, i think all war is a mistake. Dose no one understand that weapons are getting to big and too powerful to be swinging them around like some toy. First nuclear weapons, now biological and chemical, we are just looking for new and inventive ways to wipe ourselves off the planet. These weapons are supposedly here to protect us, but now we fear terrorist from having them. Nuke can,t protect you from another nuke can it, and you cannot nuke a man, only a country. Which comes to my second point terrorist are not a country, rather a group of people who are bent on having their ideas "integrated" with those around them. To thier own peole they are heros, to others, people to be feared. When the United States attack afghanistan, their leaders pleaded "there are no buildings standing that are worth as much as the missles you will use to destroy them". terrorist used poor third world countries to exploit the fact that thier governments have little control and their peopole will do anything to eat. We attack this country to still have the man that plan the attacks (Osama) still running free in perhaps the very same spot. then we go to Iraq for which we beleive then "to stop hussein and his WMDs". Wars over and now you people look for every escuse under the sun besides WMDs. And those republicans who have the nerve to justify this, i assume none of your kids are there, frankly i pray they are not. Are we any closer to resolve for 9/11, no, are we safer, definately not. This dangerous "preemptive ordinance" is a dangerous game, since there are a few countries that fit the same criteria as Iraq or worse. North Korea has Nukes, Iran is trying to test them, and there are pounds of weapons grade plutonium floating all over Russia unaccounted for. And to top it off Homeland security is a load of bull. Osama could probably cross the mexican border with a ton of plutonium and nobody would be the wiser. When i wathc farenheit with micheal moore, he was full of crap, but there was one thing he said that stuck with me. He said we take the poorest kids, give
I am just a 25 year old kid, it should be aparent in the misguided optimism i have. But let tell you guys something i know life is f**ked up, its dog eat dog world. Just becuase that the way those around us choose to live does not mean i have to choose that way. I would rather die a poor shell of a man, endure and adversity life can throw at me, as long as my integrity stays in tact. So you guys can try to hush me away, but its a shame none of you could give me a valid argument. Name calling, "i should be ashamed of myself", what a load of crap. You should be ashamed at the fact that you think so little of the human race, we have endured many things for thousands of years. Technology has eliminated so many of these obstacles, our God given talent to "find a better way" is apparent in all we do and touch. I have let myself be screwed countless times cause of my ideals, more you guys could ever imagine. But i keep them, and i find a better way. You are all fools who rather be right so i give to you YOU WIN. When you have all reach a better maturity level, maybe then you can see that a solution is much more rewarding. Life was never meant to be easy, is was meant to be endure, and inevitably conquered, thats the human spirit. so if any more post are gonna hit my email, atleast try to be constructive. And i am not throwing pot shots at people, just would like to have a real discussion. like you guys said basically i am stupid and naive, well then enlighted me. [edit] And another thing, last time i checked my voter registraion card t said " ". Don't label, cause democrats are just as bad. I just presented a case agaisnt this administrations foreign policy and explored solutions. Sorry if all your name calling and sarcastic remarks stay along those political lines, guess you'll actually have to be original (and hopefully witty) [edit] Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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I am just a 25 year old kid, it should be aparent in the misguided optimism i have. But let tell you guys something i know life is f**ked up, its dog eat dog world. Just becuase that the way those around us choose to live does not mean i have to choose that way. I would rather die a poor shell of a man, endure and adversity life can throw at me, as long as my integrity stays in tact. So you guys can try to hush me away, but its a shame none of you could give me a valid argument. Name calling, "i should be ashamed of myself", what a load of crap. You should be ashamed at the fact that you think so little of the human race, we have endured many things for thousands of years. Technology has eliminated so many of these obstacles, our God given talent to "find a better way" is apparent in all we do and touch. I have let myself be screwed countless times cause of my ideals, more you guys could ever imagine. But i keep them, and i find a better way. You are all fools who rather be right so i give to you YOU WIN. When you have all reach a better maturity level, maybe then you can see that a solution is much more rewarding. Life was never meant to be easy, is was meant to be endure, and inevitably conquered, thats the human spirit. so if any more post are gonna hit my email, atleast try to be constructive. And i am not throwing pot shots at people, just would like to have a real discussion. like you guys said basically i am stupid and naive, well then enlighted me. [edit] And another thing, last time i checked my voter registraion card t said " ". Don't label, cause democrats are just as bad. I just presented a case agaisnt this administrations foreign policy and explored solutions. Sorry if all your name calling and sarcastic remarks stay along those political lines, guess you'll actually have to be original (and hopefully witty) [edit] Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
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You know what would have been nice, if you had qouted me on it, but you really can't because i was not trying to say that. In every post i have it clear that we would expect some kinds of paybacks for or aid, wheter be in oil, or in just plain money once they were able to get situated. And i also said i waould use the 200 billion already allocated for the war. Is this not what bush wants, did i see another presidential debate where he said talk about spreading freedom. Thats what i am saying, and i am using a more deplomatic, efeective, and cheaper idea. But i guess you guys worked hard for your money, so you deseve to have the explosions and death. I mean f**k me for trying to be passive, what the f**k was i thinking. Dose not pay tto be nice anymore, but i do it anyway. ;P Discovery consist of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought -- Albert Szent-Györgyi Name the greatest of all the inventors: accident --Mark Twain
JimRivera wrote: You know what would have been nice, if you had qouted me on it, but you really can't because i was not trying to say that. No? In reply to Stan, JimRivera wrote: There are so many out there who suffer while we sit here and become rich. :doh: Regardless of what you were trying to say, this is what you wrote. JimRivera wrote: Thats what i am saying, and i am using a more deplomatic, efeective, and cheaper idea. Appears to be the same failed plan used by the UN for 13 years. JimRivera wrote: But i guess you guys worked hard for your money, so you deseve to have the explosions and death. I certainly don't want my hard earned money used to "bribe" people to like me. "Reality is what refuses to go away when I stop believing in it." Philip K. Dick