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Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence", "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" and "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification". There's social progress for you - but, hey, at least he's not in a bubble. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence", "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" and "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification". There's social progress for you - but, hey, at least he's not in a bubble. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Sounds like there's not much difference between satanists and some christians... -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.
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Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence", "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" and "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification". There's social progress for you - but, hey, at least he's not in a bubble. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
Sounds like a codification of we grew up calling "human nature". Makes sense...
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Sounds like there's not much difference between satanists and some christians... -- Weiter, weiter, ins verderben. Wir müssen leben bis wir sterben.
Seeing as you can't believe in satan without believing in the christian religion there is none. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
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Since the precedent has already been set allowing people to "believe" all sorts of wacky bullshit, then why not satanism too.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Sounds like a codification of we grew up calling "human nature". Makes sense...
lAY yOUR hEAD wHERE mY hEART uSED tO bE...Shog9 wrote: Sounds like a codification of we grew up calling "human nature". Makes sense... I agree completely. But then, the entire purpose of relgion is to try to restrain the more distructive tendencies of human nature so that we can maintain civil socities. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
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Seeing as you can't believe in satan without believing in the christian religion there is none. pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "They say there are strangers who threaten us, In our immigrants and infidels. They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves. That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves." Rush
Except for accepting Christ as your saviour and all that stuff... BW The Biggest Loser
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Sounds like a codification of we grew up calling "human nature". Makes sense...
lAY yOUR hEAD wHERE mY hEART uSED tO bE...Some people call Satanism, Humanism. It's more PC that way. BW The Biggest Loser
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Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
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Followers live by the Nine Satanic Statements, which include "Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence", "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" and "Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification". There's social progress for you - but, hey, at least he's not in a bubble. "Benedict Arnold was a war hero too."
I've read the book, and besides the rituals, it seems to promote the American way. Eg. the book talks about how you are responsible for your own happiness. It actually doesn't look down on teamwork, but it emphasizes that you should do it for your own profit. I can't help think, that viewed from above, it seems that the US is more aligned to LeVays bible than to the new Testament. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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I've read the book, and besides the rituals, it seems to promote the American way. Eg. the book talks about how you are responsible for your own happiness. It actually doesn't look down on teamwork, but it emphasizes that you should do it for your own profit. I can't help think, that viewed from above, it seems that the US is more aligned to LeVays bible than to the new Testament. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
Now there's a generalization! BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
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Now there's a generalization! BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
-The StovesYep, but am I wrong when I say that the general opinion of the US is that people are responsible for their own happiness? In general, that is what the book is actually about. It weaves around the subject, but everything can be extracted down to: If you do it, do it for yourself. In my younger, and more selfcentered, days, I thought it was a great book, and if I was ever inclined to get religious, I would probably have chosen Satanism at that time. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Yep, but am I wrong when I say that the general opinion of the US is that people are responsible for their own happiness? In general, that is what the book is actually about. It weaves around the subject, but everything can be extracted down to: If you do it, do it for yourself. In my younger, and more selfcentered, days, I thought it was a great book, and if I was ever inclined to get religious, I would probably have chosen Satanism at that time. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
The difference is that, while people are encouraged to persuit a successful life for themselves, they are not encouraged to do it at the expense of others. So comparing the US philosophy with Satanism is way off. There are aspects of Satanism that certainly look appealing, and even make sense, because people are naturally selfish in many ways. It's the consideration of our action's consequences and effects on others that make us decent. BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
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The difference is that, while people are encouraged to persuit a successful life for themselves, they are not encouraged to do it at the expense of others. So comparing the US philosophy with Satanism is way off. There are aspects of Satanism that certainly look appealing, and even make sense, because people are naturally selfish in many ways. It's the consideration of our action's consequences and effects on others that make us decent. BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
-The Stovesbrianwelsch wrote: The difference is that, while people are encouraged to persuit a successful life for themselves, they are not encouraged to do it at the expense of others. So comparing the US philosophy with Satanism is way off. Oh, I just got the impression that Competition was encouraged in the US American schools, and what is a competition without losers? brianwelsch wrote: It's the consideration of our action's consequences and effects on others that make us decent. I agree, but I'm not convinced that the genral US philosophy leaves much room for considering consequence/effect. Look at the Kyoto deal for example: We may not agree on the imminent threat from CO2 gasses, but ome of the arguments I've heard was that it was against the American culture to put constraints on energy consumation. Event if the energy consumation didn't cause pollution, it still means that limited resources are spend at a very high rate without consideration for coming generations. Or what about the whole Afghanistan mess?, while training and arming religious fanatics looked like a great idea at the time, it came back to bite you in the ass. The deal was to help the Afghans get rid of the Sovjet occupation forces, they succeed, but the country was thrown into a chaos that resembles the state of affairs in Iraq these days. When things finally got stable, it was only because a strong fraction of religious fanatics, the Taleban, seized the reign. And we all know how that ended... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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brianwelsch wrote: The difference is that, while people are encouraged to persuit a successful life for themselves, they are not encouraged to do it at the expense of others. So comparing the US philosophy with Satanism is way off. Oh, I just got the impression that Competition was encouraged in the US American schools, and what is a competition without losers? brianwelsch wrote: It's the consideration of our action's consequences and effects on others that make us decent. I agree, but I'm not convinced that the genral US philosophy leaves much room for considering consequence/effect. Look at the Kyoto deal for example: We may not agree on the imminent threat from CO2 gasses, but ome of the arguments I've heard was that it was against the American culture to put constraints on energy consumation. Event if the energy consumation didn't cause pollution, it still means that limited resources are spend at a very high rate without consideration for coming generations. Or what about the whole Afghanistan mess?, while training and arming religious fanatics looked like a great idea at the time, it came back to bite you in the ass. The deal was to help the Afghans get rid of the Sovjet occupation forces, they succeed, but the country was thrown into a chaos that resembles the state of affairs in Iraq these days. When things finally got stable, it was only because a strong fraction of religious fanatics, the Taleban, seized the reign. And we all know how that ended... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
Despite the crap shown in the media, in general, Americans on a personal level do not condone gain with complete disregard of others. That isn't to say it doesn't happen, but by and large people are helpful and considerate much more often than they are cutthroat. Competition is encouraged, but more in a way that people should strive to do their best, not in a win at all costs way. Of course people lose. That doesn't mean anything. Some are better than others at certain things. So what? jan larsen wrote: but ome of the arguments I've heard was that it was against the American culture to put constraints on energy consumation. against our culture??? WTF? We've managed to not overtax it, and keep energy production relatively cheap. That's why we use more than others, not because of some deep cultural belief. It's strictly economics not culture. I think taking military action as a way to prove a generalization of the citizens is way off base. Bad judgement in foreign policy doesn't equal a purely selfish society. You can take almost any human action and find at its root a selfish motive. Would you help others if it didn't feel good? or if you weren't either scared of a tortured afterlife, or desired a good one? Would you help others if you knew that no one woul return the favor to you ever? If our relationships with others weren't give and take, I'd bet most "unselfish" acts would cease. It's not necessarily a conscious decision each time we help someone, but deep down we know its benficial to our life. Does that mean we're all really following Satanist doctrine? BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
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Despite the crap shown in the media, in general, Americans on a personal level do not condone gain with complete disregard of others. That isn't to say it doesn't happen, but by and large people are helpful and considerate much more often than they are cutthroat. Competition is encouraged, but more in a way that people should strive to do their best, not in a win at all costs way. Of course people lose. That doesn't mean anything. Some are better than others at certain things. So what? jan larsen wrote: but ome of the arguments I've heard was that it was against the American culture to put constraints on energy consumation. against our culture??? WTF? We've managed to not overtax it, and keep energy production relatively cheap. That's why we use more than others, not because of some deep cultural belief. It's strictly economics not culture. I think taking military action as a way to prove a generalization of the citizens is way off base. Bad judgement in foreign policy doesn't equal a purely selfish society. You can take almost any human action and find at its root a selfish motive. Would you help others if it didn't feel good? or if you weren't either scared of a tortured afterlife, or desired a good one? Would you help others if you knew that no one woul return the favor to you ever? If our relationships with others weren't give and take, I'd bet most "unselfish" acts would cease. It's not necessarily a conscious decision each time we help someone, but deep down we know its benficial to our life. Does that mean we're all really following Satanist doctrine? BW The Biggest Loser
"Farm Donkey makes us laugh.
Farm Donkey hauls some ass."
-The Stovesbrianwelsch wrote: Does that mean we're all really following Satanist doctrine? NO, it means that the (LeVay) Satanist doctrine was formulated with great knowledge of the human nature, and that's actually my point. When it comes to doing good, the new testament and LeVay's bible agrees, it's the reason for doing good that differs. Turning the other cheek business is another story though... brianwelsch wrote: I think taking military action as a way to prove a generalization of the citizens is way off base. Bad judgement in foreign policy doesn't equal a purely selfish society. In a democracy everybody has to take responsibility, the citizens are responsible for their leaders, so when the leaders starts a war, they do it on a mandate from the citizens. And everybody must share the blame whether they voted for the warlord or not, because by supporting the system that elected him, you also honors his rights to start a war. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus